Hextall was in a tough spot to be sure. He was charged with a rebuild while staying competitive at the same time. He was successful in the first but failed in the second for all of the reasons that have been discussed here. I don’t know that you can truly accomplish both simultaneously.
- Sinisalo4vr

Well I know you can't when both your goalies get hurt and your two best defenseman are playing like crap. While the rest of the team thinks the objective is to give the puck to the other team.

Dave Isaac
@davegisaac
I’m not sure how involved he was in all that went down this morning, but I believe Bob Clarke played a role at some level. He was around the #Flyers facility quite a bit today and had been more visible in the past week. I’m also told he met with Dave Hakstol yesterday




THE OLD FLYERS ARE BACK BABY!! BREAKOUT THE FREE AGENT LISTS!! IT'S TIME TO GO HUNTING THIS OFFSEASON!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
- PhillySportsGuy

Man this is going to play out like Game of Thrones..
Who needs the Winds of Winter when you have the Flyers of Philadelphia.

Pierre McGuire reports the philosophical differences between #Flyers management and Hextall were that Ron didn't deviate from the rebuild enough. People in the organization wanted to see Hart up in the past. PHI has lost millions in ticket revenue recently.

... I'd make a great GM. (blah blah blah)... Is that on Hextall?
- MJL

There it is. When you’re putting forth something interesting, you’re an asset to this blog, but man, the usual MJL abrasive, caustic, argumentative, and condescending posts make people like me not want to be a part of this. Have you always been this way? Don’t want to be a d!ck to you, but you need to learn some good communication and people skills bud. Just keep this in the back of your head when responding to others.
- Hokeeguy9

LOL. I rarely visit these parts anymore (only when major Flyer news hits, to get Bill's take etc.), but I have to say, I do get a chuckle each time because when I check out these posts, invariably, MJL is there, annoying and/or insulting other posters with his typical arrogant and condescending responses. I knew when I used to post here that it (the "problem") wasn't ME, it was HIM, but this consistently repeated pattern leaves no doubt. Oh well, see ya'll next year!

I don’t hate Jake, but he takes too many games and shifts off for my liking. If you can flip him for a legit 2C, I’d make the deal. This team’s core group needs to be shaken up.
- BiggE

I honestly believe we should target a 1 or 2 C and move Coots to a more defensive line. We have the prospects and NHL players to trade for someone. Not sure who. Duchene?

Regardless of who is next GM, we should be prepared to say goodbye to a few prospects we've been waiting to watch.

I don't want to misunderstand you but you want the Flyers to trade assets for players on expiring deals?
- MJL

No EDIT: -not assets, those with large-contracts. Period

Sorry G. Not sorry V.

Get picks/prospects, and BE A GM & make shrewd veteran signings/trades.

AND if you put a full rebuild (as you should have from the get) into motion, those no-trade clauses become less important.

PHI has lost millions in ticket revenue recently.
- arichardson22

And that, my friends, is how you get your ass fired on Monday morning if you don't give your bosses an answer they like

Winning's always part of it, man. It's professional sports. People are paying to be entertained and to see the team win.

I didn't wake up this morning thinking the Flyers needed to fire Hextall. But they're 10-11-2, and he was in his fifth year as GM.

We'll probably never know what lit the fuse, but at some point, you work for somebody who is gonna ask "If not now, when?" And if they don't like your answer, well, this is how it goes down
- AllInForFlyers

Bill, gave a great synopsis of where this team is and where it needs to get too. I think ownership lost faith that Hextall had the ability to get the team to that next level if he as the architect wasn’t willing to update his master plan.....to me his firing is warranted. Pure and simple. Hakstol won’t be far behind.

I'm so excited for rumors to pour out and Ek to still get all of them wrong
- PhillySportsGuy

When Marsha in food services gets canned he'll be all over it.

There's that -- I know how I sound on here. Like a broken record

But I say it again: You never have as much time as you think you do to start winning. You just don't. Every single time you miss the playoffs, or don't win a round, you are eligible to get the hook at any point thereafter. Doesn't mean you will. But you simply do not have any currency to spend if you miss or don't win in the playoffs
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah. You definitely need to get lucky in the rebuild. By making the playoffs a couple times, it prolonged his tenure, but he needed that dynamic, young player to take them to another level and that guy just never materialized. The Leafs had a great rebuild, but I wonder how different things would be if they don't win the lottery so quickly and get a game changing player who IMMEDIATELY becomes an all star center.

And that, my friends, is how you get your ass fired on Monday morning if you don't give your bosses an answer they like
- AllInForFlyers

HUBRIS

Pierre McGuire reports the philosophical differences between #Flyers management and Hextall were that Ron didn't deviate from the rebuild enough. People in the organization wanted to see Hart up in the past. PHI has lost millions in ticket revenue recently.
- arichardson22

Wow if that is true about Hart that is interesting..

Pierre McGuire reports the philosophical differences between #Flyers management and Hextall were that Ron didn't deviate from the rebuild enough. People in the organization wanted to see Hart up in the past. PHI has lost millions in ticket revenue recently.
- arichardson22

Not to doubt Pierre, but where did the revenue information come from?

No EDIT: -not assets, those with large-contracts. Period

Sorry G. Not sorry V.

Get picks/prospects, and BE A GM & make shrewd veteran signings/trades.

AND if you put a full rebuild (as you should have from the get) into motion, those no-trade clauses become less important.
- DrMidnite

Sorry but this is all over the place and I can't follow.

Wow if that is true about Hart that is interesting..
- opeth_pa

That part truly baffles me. We resigned Neuvy and signed Elliott to the 2 year deal. Did management outside of Hexy believe Hart was NHL ready two summers ago because it was NHL or WHL. He’s struggled with consistency so far in the AHL so I really don’t understand this. His struggles early in the AHL would suggest Hextall was RIGHT about not having him in the NHL.

So what does everyone want from their new GM? Me I want a return to flyer hockey....playing with a hell of lot more passion then this current group has. I hope they start to focus on speed. I also hope they continue to refurbish the farm system. I hope they bring in a coach with an agreesive system and send away any vet that’s not on board.

Accountability above all else.

Yeah. You definitely need to get lucky in the rebuild. By making the playoffs a couple times, it prolonged his tenure, but he needed that dynamic, young player to take them to another level and that guy just never materialized. The Leafs had a great rebuild, but I wonder how different things would be if they don't win the lottery so quickly and get a game changing player who IMMEDIATELY becomes an all star center.
- PhillySportsGuy

Absolutely -- what's the difference between Toronto and Edmonton?

Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Reilly hit

Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle didn't, and Hall didn't become the MVP until he was moved

I honestly believe we should target a 1 or 2 C and move Coots to a more defensive line. We have the prospects and NHL players to trade for someone. Not sure who. Duchene?

Regardless of who is next GM, we should be prepared to say goodbye to a few prospects we've been waiting to watch.
- cdearth23

They have the players to do that without adding a player. Getting a true 1C or even a 2C is going to have a high cost. More than just the prospects that we rate as lower.

Not to doubt Pierre, but where did the revenue information come from?
- Sinisalo4vr

Eklund E3 who got it from JoeGrief.

Not to doubt Pierre, but where did the revenue information come from?
- Sinisalo4vr

Don't forget: McGuire and Homer know each other from the Hartford days, IIRC. They go way back

The ironic thing about this is the real problem with the Flyers was the mess that Homer created, with the cap situation, the empty farm system and the lack of quality players on the roster. Building from nothing, it apparently takes a long time to clear out dead wood and make a winning roster. If the Flyers did nothing, they are on course to be a really good team in 2020 or 2021.

If Homer has his way, we will make some blockbuster deals that eat up the cap deplete the farm again and bring us more Vinnie Lecavaliers. I am almost ready to stop watching hockey again. The better decision would have been to fire Holmgren.

Not to doubt Pierre, but where did the revenue information come from?
- Sinisalo4vr

good question I found the quote online, but I don’t doubt it. I’ve been to majority of home games this season and there have been a lot of empty seats and someone earlier was mentioning a lot of STH haven’t been renewing

That part truly baffles me. We resigned Neuvy and signed Elliott to the 2 year deal. Did management outside of Hexy believe Hart was NHL ready two summers ago because it was NHL or WHL. He’s struggled with consistency so far in the AHL so I really don’t understand this. His struggles early in the AHL would suggest Hextall was RIGHT about not having him in the NHL.
- arichardson22

I agree with you. Doesn't make any sense.

And that, my friends, is how you get your ass fired on Monday morning if you don't give your bosses an answer they like
- AllInForFlyers

Your team getting torched in front of everyone on HNIC against the Leafs (Who were in much the same situation 5 years ago) and then laying down for two periods ain't helping your argument.

Pierre McGuire reports the philosophical differences between #Flyers management and Hextall were that Ron didn't deviate from the rebuild enough. People in the organization wanted to see Hart up in the past. PHI has lost millions in ticket revenue recently.
- arichardson22

The Flyers fan base differs from all others in the city in that it's much smaller than the others, but the fans have far more brand loyalty. Essentially, each Flyers fan is worth a lot more to the Flyers than each Eagles, Phillies or Sixers fan to each of those teams. So I can see why a purging of fans would be concerning to the team.