Nice thanks. Was wondering if anyone had heard what numbers they would be wearing
- Savetheembers33

I'm calling it now, if Strome wears #17 he will be a nothing. Let's take a trip down memory lane with other Hawks that have worn #17:
Darryl maggs
Dave kryskow
Alain daigle
Peter marsh
Wayne Presley
j.p. Dupont
reto van arx
sheldon brookbank
Jimmy hayes

#17 on the Hawks is the equivalent of wearing a red shirt uniform in the original Star Trek. You just know it will not end well.

I'm calling it now, if Strome wears #17 he will be a nothing. Let's take a trip down memory lane with other Hawks that have worn #17:
Darryl maggs
Dave kryskow
Alain daigle
Peter marsh
Wayne Presley
j.p. Dupont
reto van arx
sheldon brookbank
Jimmy hayes

#17 on the Hawks is the equivalent of wearing a red shirt uniform in the original Star Trek. You just know it will not end well.
- Rota's Rooter

I liked Brookbank.

Too many people dogged on stats and misrepresented her arguments/points. Likely fed up and left.
- Chunk

Hope not......... I don't think LBR is a fancy and those numbers are all that matters, that you can develop a roster without ever seeing them play. But I can see where a casual fan sees the Hawks have been a top 5 Corsi team the last few yrs and have sucked and conclude fancies suck.

Pendulum has to land in the middle to get an unbiased view. Humans are biased and numbers are not and fancies look to take away that bias. Very helpful but not in a vacuum.

I'm calling it now, if Strome wears #17 he will be a nothing. Let's take a trip down memory lane with other Hawks that have worn #17:
Darryl maggs
Dave kryskow
Alain daigle
Peter marsh
Wayne Presley
j.p. Dupont
reto van arx
sheldon brookbank
Jimmy hayes

#17 on the Hawks is the equivalent of wearing a red shirt uniform in the original Star Trek. You just know it will not end well.
- Rota's Rooter

I always picture Joe Murphy when I see #17.

Here is the full list.

John Michaluk 1951
Steve Black 1951
Vic Stasiuk 1951
George Gee 1952-1954
John McCormack 1955
Hec Lalande 1956-1958
Billy Dea 1958
Kenny Wharram 1959-1969
Brian McDonald 1968
Ray McKay 1971
Darryl Maggs 1972-1973
Dave Kryskow 1973-1974
Alain Daigle 1975-1980
Peter Marsh 1981-1984
Wayne Presley 1985-1991
Dan Vincelette 1992
Joe Murphy 1993-1996
Rod Buskas 1993
Basil McRae 1997
Sergei Klimovich 1997
Kevin Miller 1998
Petri Varis 1998
J.P. Dumont 1999-2000
Michal Grosek 2000
Wendel Clark 2000
Reto Von Arx 2001
Mike Peluso 2002
Chris Simon 2003
Stephane Robidas 2004
Michael Holmqvist 2006-2007
Kevyn Adams 2008
Ryan Johnson 2011
Brendan Morrison 2012
Sheldon Brookbank 2013-2014
Jimmy Hayes 2014
Lance Bouma 2018

I'm calling it now, if Strome wears #17 he will be a nothing. Let's take a trip down memory lane with other Hawks that have worn #17:
Darryl maggs
Dave kryskow
Alain daigle
Peter marsh
Wayne Presley
j.p. Dupont
reto van arx
sheldon brookbank
Jimmy hayes

#17 on the Hawks is the equivalent of wearing a red shirt uniform in the original Star Trek. You just know it will not end well.
- Rota's Rooter

Totally agree. He should go with his 91.

Just as long as he doesn’t go idiot Teuvo route and go with 86, which looks like 88 from most angles. Man did that bother me.

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Brendan Perlini said the former Blackhawks on the Coyotes told him it was a great city to play in. "I'm excited to be back in a hockey market again," he said.
- breadbag

Like London - where he was born.

England - not Ontario.

(Actually, Guildford, about 30 miles outside of London.)

My thing with Strome and his inability to stay in the Yotes lineup is this:

1. Is it him jut not being able to compete at the NHL level?

2. Is it the Coyotes lack of ability to be able to develop guys? Who have they drafted and developed into a legit mainstay?

3. A little bit of both 1 and 2?

I watched Strome in person last year when the Roadrunners played the Wolves. He was pretty non-existent at the AHL level. But, again, I wonder if that was a combo of emotion (bummed) and lack of development. There were certainly flashes of really good play during that game, but it wasn't sustained like you would imagine a first-rounder (3rd overall) would do.

The Hawks feel there's something there and I think that they believe through their coaching/system, they can bring it out, so I'm def willing to take a chance on him.

Maybe the real target was Perlini and Strome was perhaps the throw in? Wouldn't that have been something? Although, I'm guessing the Haawks wanted Strome, but needed a sweetner instead of a lopsided one-for-one trade.
- Hank3Henshaw

Strome had a point a game at the AHL level last season 53 points in 50 games. Not too shabby and I'd hardly consider that non-existent. Also factor in the perception we can have of bigger guys, alot of bigger players are viewed as not hustling because of their longer stride and sometimes because they play a more economical game.

Why is it that all of the criticisms I see of Schmaltz have zero stats to back them up? All of you critics sound like Don Cherry, referencing intangible unquantifiable things like 'heart' and 'grit' simply because he's a marked man.

Schmaltz is statistically a good player. He's quantifiable as a better player than every single one of our forwards not named Kane, Toews, Saad, Debrincat. I'd listen to arguments for Kahun, but that's besides the point. He drives possession to the correct end of the ice, and finishes his shifts with better outcomes than most forwards on the team (offensive zone draw, goal for, penalty drawn, etc.). Schmaltz is an above Replacement Level player according to The Athletic and other publications.

A little over a month ago everyone here was scapegoating Brandon Saad, 'no heart' 'doesn't care' 'no will to win'. All the same garbage crap I've been hearing from Hark Harrelson for years. Now Saad has potted a few goals while playing the SAME GAME he's been playing, and everyone wants to award him the comeback player of the year.

Schmaltz has 20 bad games and we're absolutely tickled to get rid of him? Are you high? I definitely can't recall any young players on their ELC who didn't 'fit the culture' or 'play the right way for us to win using our brand of hockey'. Panarin, Terravainen, and to a lesser extent Nick Leddy.

Panarin is a point per game superstar leading Columbus. TT is the player we drafted and putting up 60 points a year while being a 'soft perimeter wimp'.

Schmaltz was just the latest scapegoat for a team that refuses to address its boneheaded moves over the last three seasons. And he's the latest scapegoat for a board that thinks one player not getting wrecked to lose a game 5-2 instead of 5-1 is a one way ticket out of town. Nick Schmaltz put up 52 points on an awful team last year, and while I hope for the best in this trade we'll probably all be lamenting giving up a player with his speed and skill in a few months.
- ObeseOprah

I never went after Saad. I actually posted that I thought Q’s treatment of him made no sense. I never thought he was playing poorly, let alone very poorly. Remember, an interview where Toews said “too much” saying he thought Saad was playing fine too.

You can’t compare Schmaltz to anyone really. Didn’t want to train. Saw a photo of him at the beach. No definition whatsoever - looked like he didn’t know the word “gym.” Lazy. Looked like a stereotypical 90lb weakling from the movies. No passion, no committment, no caring. Spent entire games avoiding opposing players like they had the bird flu. You forget that he was supposed to be setting an example, leading the young group. Schmaltz is as far from a leader as it is possible for a player to be.

It was irrelevant what Schmaltz wanted in his next contact for unless it was very low on the millions scale he wasn’t worth it.

Being selfish I’m just happy my family and I don’t have to watch him and his nonsense anymore.

Kinda like a numbers game I mentioned in my previous comment.

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Stan Bowman: "We got two NHL players on our team for one. You have to give to get. We’re not going to get two players like that by not trading away a really good player."
- breadbag

The jury is still out on one of them being a NHL player. Strome sucks.

I always picture Joe Murphy when I see #17.

Here is the full list.

John Michaluk 1951
Steve Black 1951
Vic Stasiuk 1951
George Gee 1952-1954
John McCormack 1955
Hec Lalande 1956-1958
Billy Dea 1958
Kenny Wharram 1959-1969
Brian McDonald 1968
Ray McKay 1971
Darryl Maggs 1972-1973
Dave Kryskow 1973-1974
Alain Daigle 1975-1980
Peter Marsh 1981-1984
Wayne Presley 1985-1991
Dan Vincelette 1992
Joe Murphy 1993-1996
Rod Buskas 1993
Basil McRae 1997
Sergei Klimovich 1997
Kevin Miller 1998
Petri Varis 1998
J.P. Dumont 1999-2000
Michal Grosek 2000
Wendel Clark 2000
Reto Von Arx 2001
Mike Peluso 2002
Chris Simon 2003
Stephane Robidas 2004
Michael Holmqvist 2006-2007
Kevyn Adams 2008
Ryan Johnson 2011
Brendan Morrison 2012
Sheldon Brookbank 2013-2014
Jimmy Hayes 2014
Lance Bouma 2018
- breadbag

thanks for the complete list. I can't do it with fat fingers on a smart phone. I'd forgotten Wendall Clark and Chris Simon, both well past their "best by" date when they were here.

I liked Brookbank.
- Hank3Henshaw

You beat me to it haha.

I always picture Joe Murphy when I see #17.

Here is the full list.

John Michaluk 1951
Steve Black 1951
Vic Stasiuk 1951
George Gee 1952-1954
John McCormack 1955
Hec Lalande 1956-1958
Billy Dea 1958
Kenny Wharram 1959-1969
Brian McDonald 1968
Ray McKay 1971
Darryl Maggs 1972-1973
Dave Kryskow 1973-1974
Alain Daigle 1975-1980
Peter Marsh 1981-1984
Wayne Presley 1985-1991
Dan Vincelette 1992
Joe Murphy 1993-1996
Rod Buskas 1993
Basil McRae 1997
Sergei Klimovich 1997
Kevin Miller 1998
Petri Varis 1998
J.P. Dumont 1999-2000
Michal Grosek 2000
Wendel Clark 2000
Reto Von Arx 2001
Mike Peluso 2002
Chris Simon 2003
Stephane Robidas 2004
Michael Holmqvist 2006-2007
Kevyn Adams 2008
Ryan Johnson 2011
Brendan Morrison 2012
Sheldon Brookbank 2013-2014
Jimmy Hayes 2014
Lance Bouma 2018
- breadbag

I really hated that guy,

I'm calling it now, if Strome wears #17 he will be a nothing. Let's take a trip down memory lane with other Hawks that have worn #17:
Darryl maggs
Dave kryskow
Alain daigle
Peter marsh
Wayne Presley
j.p. Dupont
reto van arx
sheldon brookbank
Jimmy hayes

#17 on the Hawks is the equivalent of wearing a red shirt uniform in the original Star Trek. You just know it will not end well.
- Rota's Rooter

Kenny Wharrem wore 17 and he was pretty good

Strome had a point a game at the AHL level last season 53 points in 50 games. Not too shabby and I'd hardly consider that non-existent. Also factor in the perception we can have of bigger guys, alot of bigger players are viewed as not hustling because of their longer stride and sometimes because they play a more economical game.
- paulr

Yep. I was just saying that in the game I watched, he was not very involved - except for a couple of really nice flashes. I didn't know his numbers or anything with the roadrunners, I was just reporting what I saw that night and correlated it with the stuff we've read about him not being able to stay at the NHL level.

I was certainly impressed by his size/speed, though. It's cool the Hawks have that in the middle with him now.

I liked Brookbank.
- Hank3Henshaw

I did too. Should do the same with Gus, make him a winger/7th dressed d-man.

You beat me to it haha.
- I Am The Breadman

Think you and I might be the only two guys that liked Brookbank. Guys was tough and protected a lot of his teammates

Yep. I was just saying that in the game I watched, he was not very involved - except for a couple of really nice flashes. I didn't know his numbers or anything with the roadrunners, I was just reporting what I saw that night and correlated it with the stuff we've read about him not being able to stay at the NHL level.

I was certainly impressed by his size/speed, though. It's cool the Hawks have that in the middle with him now.
- Hank3Henshaw

His Speed?

His Speed?
- paulr

In the game against the Wolves, he moved well.

Kenny Wharrem wore 17 and he was pretty good
- Elbows15

What's up, E15? How was your holiday?

And before you guys get boners because of the size of these two busts, neither is physical. Like Edsjell, Strome can't skate at a NHL level. Its not just speed. Its balance. Short area burst. Technique. Strom fails miserable in all those areas. But hey, he wins FOs.

BTW. ROR is the best FO guy in the league. How is that working out for the Blues?

Think you and I might be the only two guys that liked Brookbank. Guys was tough and protected a lot of his teammates
- Hank3Henshaw

That's why I liked him.

Kenny Wharrem wore 17 and he was pretty good
- Elbows15

Even a blind squirrel...

His Speed?
- paulr

Every scout in the world would argue this point.

thanks for the complete list. I can't do it with fat fingers on a smart phone. I'd forgotten Wendall Clark and Chris Simon, both well past their "best by" date when they were here.
- Rota's Rooter

It was just a copy paste for me on the PC. Hockey Reference has all the data in a nice format. Yeah, 17 hasn't had too many great players. Lance Bouma will be a tough act to follow.

And before you guys get boners because of the size of these two busts, neither is physical. Like Edsjell, Strome can't skate at a NHL level. Its not just speed. Its balance. Short area burst. Technique. Strom fails miserable in all those areas. But hey, he wins FOs.

BTW. ROR is the best FO guy in the league. How is that working out for the Blues?
- Elbows15