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Mr Ricochet
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Nov 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
I agree with Cordell here. Perlini will be their middle 6 guy and they hope Strome is given the linemates and TOI to find his stride: https://www.hockeybuzz.co...ksCoyotes-trade/187/96198
EnzoD
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Nov 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
Bad news for Gus, the OCD Hawk Fan posse will set their sites on you now that 8 is gone.

Strome, make sure you hit the town hard the next few days. Your love and admiration, based on nothing, will never be higher.

Does anyone realize that Coyote fans are celebrating kicking their bust down the road for a guy who can actually skate?

But by all means, carry on.

- TrueGrit


That's factually incorrect. Sorry your boy Nicky has been sent packing, but nearly every comment on Eklund and Tanner's post has been saying Hawks win this trade or a wash at worst. I will cetainly miss Schmaltz's bailouts and overpassing when wide open in the slot


For a team that lacks depth, how can you be angry about a 2 for 1 trade? Addressed lack of size with Perlini who is a utility type player that can play on any of the top 3 lines. Strome is a question mark for sure, but he lit up the AHL in the Regular Season and Playoffs, has history of ELITE production with Debrincat, and has never played with anyone near Patrick Kane's level.


The potential to address 2C, Top 9 Power Winger (with Speed), while saving cap space the next 2 seasons (Strome on an ELC until 2020, and Perlini RFA next summer that SHOULD be cheaper than Schmaltz).


Hard for me not to love this trade ON PAPER. We will all get to see these boys in action hopefully tomorrow.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
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Nov 26 @ 1:34 PM ET
Not sure what Barker has to do with anything...but ok

What number was Toews picked, anyway?

- PatShart

hereismike1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 09.06.2018

Nov 26 @ 1:35 PM ET
I don't really care about trading Schmaltz or not trading Schmaltz. The problem is we are a team with no identity and no plan. What are we trying to be?

We are trying to build around a core that won 3 titles but is no longer good enough to just fill in around it and be a contender. So we need some home runs to add pieces that can actually win games against good teams.

The thing that strikes me as negative about this deal is that we moved a piece that has the potential to grow into that in the modern NHL where speed is king, for a couple of pieces that will never be that.
tompo1015
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Nov 26 @ 1:36 PM ET
Bad news for Gus, the OCD Hawk Fan posse will set their sites on you now that 8 is gone.

Strome, make sure you hit the town hard the next few days. Your love and admiration, based on nothing, will never be higher.

Does anyone realize that Coyote fans are celebrating kicking their bust down the road for a guy who can actually skate?

But by all means, carry on.

- TrueGrit


If this was Olympic figure skating, Schmaltz is a gold medal winner. But this is hockey.


ObeseOprah
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Nov 26 @ 1:36 PM ET
Say what you will about Tanner but he laid out the positives of Strome before the trade, mostly his linemates are 4th liners. https://www.hockeybuzz.co...t_id=96079&blogger_id=200
- Mr Ricochet


Great point Ricochet. I generally loath Tanner and his awful song suggestions that he places in his articles like a high schooler's blog, but he makes some solid points about the Coyotes' management. No one hates a team's deficiencies more than their biggest fans:

'So to sum up, the Coyotes are apparently souring on a player who has put up some of the best stats on their team despite bad ice time and bad linemates. This player is the only conceivable chance the organization has at a number-one centre and has the highest ceiling of any player in the organization.

And the Coyotes aren't going to win or lose the Stanley Cup on whether or not the coach can grind out a few extra points with a veteran lineup. The long term success of the franchise is best served by giving Dylan Strome 20 minutes per night alongside players like Galchenyuk or Keller.

Otherwise, some smarter team willing to look at the stats is going to scoop him up at half price and get themselves a pretty good player.'

Really hopeful that his last sentence is correct.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
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Nov 26 @ 1:42 PM ET
Just to get a take from the Yotes GM. This was the quote going around from that end. Basically they got tired of waiting.

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When discussing trading Strome and Perlini, Coyotes GM John Chayka said there is a difference between patience and hope. The latter is not a way to build your organization.
scottak
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Nov 26 @ 1:43 PM ET
Close....

Blackhawks lineup in practice
Saad-Toews-Hayden
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Kampf-Kahun
Kunitz-Strome-Kruger
Martinsen & Perlini rotating in

Keith-Forsling
Manning-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Murphy-Rutta

Can't imagine Hayden is going to last long up there. Strome and Perlini getting to dip their toes in before being thrown in. We'll see how it shakes out.

- Chunk

I admit to being a Q fan, but 2 things I like about the new coach so far:
1. I assume he was in concurrence with Stan on shipping Schmaltz out of town
2. Realizing in less than 10 games that Gus is not a 2nd pair D man
Taylorst1
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Nov 26 @ 1:45 PM ET
To me, this screams that AA is on his way out. Strome is essentially the same profile except wins draws and exchanges track record for ceiling.
- Bjm84




This line up screams wash rinse repeat. If your going to trade a top 6 guy who isn't performing for a top 3mpick and another guy whom upside ceiling is high then either place him on the 4th line or scratch the other guy , then this team has serious issues.


I don't want to see Kunitz or anisomov either as #2 center or another washed up has been 39 yr old .

Hayden has no business being on the top line he is a dump and chase 4 to 5 goal 12 points a year player.


Matt Ross
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Nov 26 @ 1:45 PM ET
Crap.... I've been out of touch for 7 hours--no power...10 inches of snow. Trees down..
First I'm hearing of the trade....

- tompo1015




Just messing. Hope everything is OK with your place
breadbag
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Nov 26 @ 1:46 PM ET
Kinda like a numbers game I mentioned in my previous comment.

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Stan Bowman: "We got two NHL players on our team for one. You have to give to get. We’re not going to get two players like that by not trading away a really good player."
Matt Ross
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Nov 26 @ 1:49 PM ET
Kinda like a numbers game I mentioned in my previous comment.

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Stan Bowman: "We got two NHL players on our team for one. You have to give to get. We’re not going to get two players like that by not trading away a really good player."

- breadbag


Bowman putting himself over.

Haha. Just messing. I like this trade and agree with him in theory. Not sure Strome is an NHL guy yet. Hope he becomes a good one for the Hawks.
Mr Ricochet
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Nov 26 @ 1:53 PM ET


Anyway I like Strome's relative numbers despite the poor Corsi/Fenwik: https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/stromdy01.html

Perlini's fancies aren't exciting: https://www.hockey-refere.../players/p/perlibr01.html

- Mr Ricochet


I was reading these stats backwards, thinking this yr is at the top but it's at the bottom. The rudimentary fancies are very good for both players this yr and most importantly are improving every yr over their 3 yrs.
matt_ahrens
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Nov 26 @ 1:54 PM ET
Close....

Blackhawks lineup in practice
Saad-Toews-Hayden
DeBrincat-Anisimov-Kane
Fortin-Kampf-Kahun
Kunitz-Strome-Kruger
Martinsen & Perlini rotating in

Keith-Forsling
Manning-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Murphy-Rutta

Can't imagine Hayden is going to last long up there. Strome and Perlini getting to dip their toes in before being thrown in. We'll see how it shakes out.

- Chunk


Those look like "let's lower expectations while we figure out what we just acquired" kind of lines.
One of the takes on Strome was that he played with 4th liners in AZ and now, he's playing on the 4th line. So there's that.
But if what Justin said on Twitter works out and he centers the second line with Perlini playing with Toews, you have something like:

Saad - Toews - Perlini
ADB - Strome - Kane
Fortin - Kampf - Kahun
Martinsen - AA - Kruger

It does seem like AA is available if any contender wants him. Kruger probably is available too.
I'd like another top six RW, but this trade does help the depth.
I Am The Breadman
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Nov 26 @ 1:56 PM ET
The Hockey Buzz bingo card loses the "Schmaltz is Charmin soft" square. "Strome is slow" might replace it, given some of the commentary thus far.

I wish I could give an educated assessment on this trade. I really don't know who won it. I do believe change of scene trades like these are necessary when things are not working. Just keep rummaging and you increase the chance of finding something, anything, that clicks.

It's possible that this trade will be looked at as a total nonevent a few years from now. It's also possible that this trade will be a positive for both clubs. And it's certainly possible that one club will come out ahead in this. In any event, the dice have been thrown, and we hope for the best. All we can do right now.

- 333inthe3rd


I don't think you can know until some games have been played.
StLBravesFan
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Nov 26 @ 1:58 PM ET
Know what Sage, times are a changing and mostly due to the hard cap and the dwindling away of the bridge deal. 19-20-21-22 today is far different than it was 10 yrs ago.

The Kyle Connors, Ahos, Kases, Debrusks, Robert Thomas's, Horvats's, Howtan's, Chytils are thrown in at 19-20 and not just the superstars like McD, Matthews and Svechnikov. Then they're done with their ELC so young that a GM has to make an evaluation do I give this 22-23 kid term and dollars when even a short time ago that decision was made when the player was 25-26.

That is what Stan faced with Schmaltz.

- Mr Ricochet


I hear you, Rico - I just think there are lots of players who don't get it - mentally, physically, whatever - until later than 18-19-20 - these are still young kids growing up and learning.

I also hear you about the end of their ELCs so young - but they are still RFC - the team has most of the leverage - and a good GM and front office should be able to negotiate a reasonable contract with still-unproven 22-23 year olds.

And I'm OK with moving Schmaltz - let's see if Strome and Perlini become quality top-6 / middle-6 skaters - let's see if Strome can help solve the Hawks' top-6 center issue.
I Am The Breadman
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Nov 26 @ 2:00 PM ET
Kinda like a numbers game I mentioned in my previous comment.

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Stan Bowman: "We got two NHL players on our team for one. You have to give to get. We’re not going to get two players like that by not trading away a really good player."

- breadbag


His work is not over, in my opinion. I like the trade, time will tell if it was good or not. Need JC to put together some good lines with what we have. A change of scenery is never bad, for any of the 3 guys.
mohel
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Nov 26 @ 2:01 PM ET
What did you guys do with LBR? I'd be interested in her take.
Z3Hawk
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Nov 26 @ 2:07 PM ET


So I just got a delivery at my house and it was this sweater my wife bought for me. She said she got it for "Ugly Xmas Sweater" photos. I looked in the mirror and I asked her why she called it ugly?

- breadbag


breadbag - It must be simply a cultural thing. The word “ugly” must mean “BEAUTIFUL” in your wife’s culture.
Chunk
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Nov 26 @ 2:09 PM ET
Murphy apparently said he is about a week or so away. Davidson is out for a while with surgery, and likely gets dropped when he is back. I wouldn't be upset with dropping both of Manning/Rutta when 5 returns.
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Nov 26 @ 2:10 PM ET

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Brendan Perlini said the former Blackhawks on the Coyotes told him it was a great city to play in. "I'm excited to be back in a hockey market again," he said.
Z3Hawk
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Nov 26 @ 2:11 PM ET
I forgot to mention this, but that's what I saw. In a face to face confrontation for the puck he bailed every time.
- 6628


6628 - yes he bailed every time.
Chunk
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Nov 26 @ 2:12 PM ET
What did you guys do with LBR? I'd be interested in her take.
- mohel


Too many people dogged on stats and misrepresented her arguments/points. Likely fed up and left.
Matt Ross
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Nov 26 @ 2:15 PM ET
My thing with Strome and his inability to stay in the Yotes lineup is this:

1. Is it him jut not being able to compete at the NHL level?

2. Is it the Coyotes lack of ability to be able to develop guys? Who have they drafted and developed into a legit mainstay?

3. A little bit of both 1 and 2?

I watched Strome in person last year when the Roadrunners played the Wolves. He was pretty non-existent at the AHL level. But, again, I wonder if that was a combo of emotion (bummed) and lack of development. There were certainly flashes of really good play during that game, but it wasn't sustained like you would imagine a first-rounder (3rd overall) would do.

The Hawks feel there's something there and I think that they believe through their coaching/system, they can bring it out, so I'm def willing to take a chance on him.

Maybe the real target was Perlini and Strome was perhaps the throw in? Wouldn't that have been something? Although, I'm guessing the Haawks wanted Strome, but needed a sweetner instead of a lopsided one-for-one trade.
Mr Ricochet
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Nov 26 @ 2:19 PM ET
What did you guys do with LBR? I'd be interested in her take.
- mohel


This!! I can follow rudimentary fancies but LBR digs into the stats inside the stats inside the stats inside the numbers......... I can never hold more value in fancies over the eye test but consider them equals. LBR is the best at giving numbers context and supporting her conclusions with fancies.
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