Thing that worries me about Dcat-Strome-Kane is who is going to win a puck? Might see Saad and Perlini split up as LW on each of the top two lines due to size, speed and puck retrieval.
- Mr Ricochet

Strome wins like 60% of his draws. Kane and Dcat are good enough at puck persuit.

If panarin aa and kane worked then that combo should too.

I have no idea how this will work out, obviously - both players of the return have size, one at least has some speed, one has scored some in the NHL, the other showed scoring punch last season in the "A"....

Too soon (all are 22, I think) to call ANY of the three "busts" - we give up so easily when players can't come directly into the Show and perform as experienced vets.
- StLBravesFan

Know what Sage, times are a changing and mostly due to the hard cap and the dwindling away of the bridge deal. 19-20-21-22 today is far different than it was 10 yrs ago.

The Kyle Connors, Ahos, Kases, Debrusks, Robert Thomas's, Horvats's, Howtan's, Chytils are thrown in at 19-20 and not just the superstars like McD, Matthews and Svechnikov. Then they're done with their ELC so young that a GM has to make an evaluation do I give this 22-23 kid term and dollars when even a short time ago that decision was made when the player was 25-26.

That is what Stan faced with Schmaltz.

Like that they made this move now rather than sitting on it.

Schmaltz is a good player with a lot of potential. Obviously he wasn't helping out a lot with the secondary scoring. Him being a top center was a gamble. Strome being a top center is as well but with a heck of a lot higher ceiling.

Really dont mind the trade. Like i mentioned before i think you see AA and Rutta or Manning move to get Kampf settled in that 3rd line center role and hope there's enough to build on for next year.

We will find out against vegas cause they're kind of fast but i think the poor skating is exaggerated. Maybe he isn't making decisions at the NHL level yet or dynamic enough to carry a line and shred teams like Matthews, McDavid or Eichel but with the right group and his ability to score at every level so far but the NHL Id expect this to be a positive change for him.

One of the better risks they've taken. At least they didn't move schmaltz for andrew ladd or some crap like that.
- fattybeef

I am still happy we obtained a C with size who can win draws and a power winger in Perlini. Credit Bowman with a good trade.

Actually pretty psyched on this trade.

I had nothing against Schmaltz and he may go on to find success in AZ (which will most likely happen). He had developed a knack for pick-pocketing guys, but his overall game just wasn't quite working here. He shied away from contact, rarely drove to the net, seldom shot, and instead, curled up and always looked to pass - most of which were forced or too cute.

Pumped on what I'm reading about Perlini.

I'll have more on this but sounds like the overall plan for this team is continuing to change and Stan is the man in charge of this movement.

He mentioned in his Powers article that guys like Kunitz and Manning were brought in becauss they fit Joel's style of coaching.

Well, now Joel's gone and Colliton is stuck with these guys.

Hossa was dealt with Hinostroza (who the Hawks could use right now) to free up space in the future to sign DeBrincat and Schmaltz to their next deals.

Well, no Schmaltz is gone and the cap space is still sitting there.
- Justin Lowe

And Stan was part of the Committee that allowed Q to start the yr. Very convenient excuse.

Not sure what Barker has to do with anything...but ok

What number was Toews picked, anyway?
- PatShart

Think Strome was taken 3rd overall in 15'. Some folks on Twitter were commenting about the excitement of getting a 3rd in Strome for a 20th in Schmaltz...

Toews was taken 3rd.

Like that they made this move now rather than sitting on it.

Schmaltz is a good player with a lot of potential. Obviously he wasn't helping out a lot with the secondary scoring. Him being a top center was a gamble. Strome being a top center is as well but with a heck of a lot higher ceiling.

Really dont mind the trade. Like i mentioned before i think you see AA and Rutta or Manning move to get Kampf settled in that 3rd line center role and hope there's enough to build on for next year.

We will find out against vegas cause they're kind of fast but i think the poor skating is exaggerated. Maybe he isn't making decisions at the NHL level yet or dynamic enough to carry a line and shred teams like Matthews, McDavid or Eichel but with the right group and his ability to score at every level so far but the NHL Id expect this to be a positive change for him.

One of the better risks they've taken. At least they didn't move schmaltz for andrew ladd or some crap like that.
- fattybeef

I agree with you. I'll just add that I don't hate the trade. It could turn out really well. Seems like a Bowman move through and through to play the numbers. Get two guys for the price of one and even if one of the two never hits full potential, maybe you flip him for another pick or piece. Seem like maybe he was dodging a contract bullet or at least delaying a larger payout to remain flexible.

That may be, but I'm just saying the contract status could be a major factor. Plus possibly they just really like Strome and Perlini who were available and knew they had to give up a good young player to get two guys with potential. I just don't buy that Schmaltz is as much of a problem as he is perceived by some. Sometimes you trade guys who are decent because you like the return. Kinda like Hinostroza, while I didn't care for him much, I think the Hawks did like him, but they were willing to ship him out to get a deal done. Schmaltz may not be necessarily thought poorly of by Hockey Operations, but obviously they didn't consider him "untouchable" either. I hope it works out well for both teams.
- breadbag

Contract could definitely have been a major factor in the decision but strictly in relation to the salary request to production output ratio.

Right or wrong, the Hawks fell out of love with Nick and they are now divorced.

Contract could definitely have been a major factor in the decision but strictly in relation to the salary request to production output ratio.

Right or wrong, the Hawks fell out of love with Nick and they are now divorced.
- RickJ

But who got custody of the kids(mannequins) in the divorce? Maybe Schmaltz will take them to Arizona and get some yotes Jerseys on them.

I would be perfectly happy to see Strome win an offensive faceoff and then go park his big frame right in front of the goalie, something that only AA will does now for the Hawks. If you put Strome with Cat and Kane, that is all he really needs to do; create a screen and clean up any loose pucks off of rebounds.

Speaking of AA, he is the perfect type of trade deadline trade a contender is looking for, that should bring a good prospect/or high draft pick back in return. His contract isn't awful in today's NHL, he can chip in a goal every now and then, you can play him on the PK and is defensively responsible, and will do some of the dirty work a winning team needs. Kind of like the Antoine Vermette trade the Hawks made in '15 and gave up a 1st rounder.

And now that Nick is gone, Erik Gustafsson is the new official whipping boy...congratulations!

Justin had mentioned earlier that Manning and Kunitz were brought in because they play a game tailored to Q's style.

While I'm not a Kunitz guy, I do like Manning and am curious why everyone seems to hate him so much.

I like Manning and Davidson when they're playing a simple game. I agree that sometimes Manning gets into trouble when trying to rush the puck or do too much. However, I think he is what he is and that's a good option (when playing simple) for this blueline. He also sticks up for teammates, which I like.

Justin had mentioned earlier that Manning and Kunitz were brought in because they play a game tailored to Q's style.

While I'm not a Kunitz guy, I do like Manning and am curious why everyone seems to hate him so much.

I like Manning and Davidson when they're playing a simple game. I agree that sometimes Manning gets into trouble when trying to rush the puck or do too much. However, I think he is what he is and that's a good option (when playing simple) for this blueline. He also sticks up for teammates, which I like.
- Hank3Henshaw

I do like some things about Manning, but I can't deny that he has be absolutely undressed or beat at times. For a while early in the year it was like once per game we gave up a goal off a weak play by Manning. I think he is still adjusting his game and I hope he does well.

I would be perfectly happy to see Strome win an offensive faceoff and then go park his big frame right in front of the goalie, something that only AA will does now for the Hawks. If you put Strome with Cat and Kane, that is all he really needs to do; create a screen and clean up any loose pucks off of rebounds.

Speaking of AA, he is the perfect type of trade deadline trade a contender is looking for, that should bring a good prospect/or high draft pick back in return. His contract isn't awful in today's NHL, he can chip in a goal every now and then, you can play him on the PK and is defensively responsible, and will do some of the dirty work a winning team needs. Kind of like the Antoine Vermette trade the Hawks made in '15 and gave up a 1st rounder.

And now that Nick is gone, Erik Gustafsson is the new official whipping boy...congratulations!
- spudrock512

Not sure that is Strome's game exactly. He has skill or at least shown it at lower levels.

I do like some things about Manning, but I can't deny that he has be absolutely undressed or beat at times. For a while early in the year it was like once per game we gave up a goal off a weak play by Manning. I think he is still adjusting his game and I hope he does well.
- breadbag

Fair enough and I'd agree that there were a couple plays like that.

I think (overall) he's a nice option to have and I like his game a lot. I actually enjoy when he's paired up with Davidson.

Any word on when Murphy will be back?

Why is it that all of the criticisms I see of Schmaltz have zero stats to back them up? All of you critics sound like Don Cherry, referencing intangible unquantifiable things like 'heart' and 'grit' simply because he's a marked man.

Schmaltz is statistically a good player. He's quantifiable as a better player than every single one of our forwards not named Kane, Toews, Saad, Debrincat. I'd listen to arguments for Kahun, but that's besides the point. He drives possession to the correct end of the ice, and finishes his shifts with better outcomes than most forwards on the team (offensive zone draw, goal for, penalty drawn, etc.). Schmaltz is an above Replacement Level player according to The Athletic and other publications.

A little over a month ago everyone here was scapegoating Brandon Saad, 'no heart' 'doesn't care' 'no will to win'. All the same garbage crap I've been hearing from Hark Harrelson for years. Now Saad has potted a few goals while playing the SAME GAME he's been playing, and everyone wants to award him the comeback player of the year.

Schmaltz has 20 bad games and we're absolutely tickled to get rid of him? Are you high? I definitely can't recall any young players on their ELC who didn't 'fit the culture' or 'play the right way for us to win using our brand of hockey'. Panarin, Terravainen, and to a lesser extent Nick Leddy.

Panarin is a point per game superstar leading Columbus. TT is the player we drafted and putting up 60 points a year while being a 'soft perimeter wimp'.

Schmaltz was just the latest scapegoat for a team that refuses to address its boneheaded moves over the last three seasons. And he's the latest scapegoat for a board that thinks one player not getting wrecked to lose a game 5-2 instead of 5-1 is a one way ticket out of town. Nick Schmaltz put up 52 points on an awful team last year, and while I hope for the best in this trade we'll probably all be lamenting giving up a player with his speed and skill in a few months.
- ObeseOprah

Orca, I'm not a fancy stat guy per say but believe they are vital in combination with the eye test. Exhibit A for not putting all your eggs in the fancy basket is the Hawks have been a top 5ish corsi team he last couple yrs. Nuff said.

What am I missing. Despite 63, 64 and 57% Ozone starts the last 3 yrs Schmaltz is a minus relative Corsi and Fenwick the last 3 yrs. These rudimentary stats show he doesn't drive possession and his mates are better when he's not on the ice, no? https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/schmani01.html

So I just got a delivery at my house and it was this sweater my wife bought for me. She said she got it for "Ugly Xmas Sweater" photos. I looked in the mirror and I asked her why she called it ugly?

I guess we got a #11 and #17 for jerseys.

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Dylan Strome (No. 17) and Brendan Perlini (No. 11) join Blackhawks practice in the middle of it (they just arrived). They're greeted with stick-taps.

Justin -

Anything floating out there on potential other trades?

Bowman trades anyone (Danault, Leddy, Saad, Shmaltz, Vinnie, Kempny, Tvr) - forum damn this loser is not worth entry level contract great return, Stan fleeced the other GM.
3 months later-what was he thinking? marco Dano, weisse, Kruger, etc for the guy who is contributing on the other team?
Seriously both players we got back are reclamation projects and there is no indication they will fare better than Marco Dano at this point. Disappointed since they gave up on him too quickly. They do not have cornerstone future players anymore even in potential besides Debrincat.

Bowman trades anyone (Danault, Leddy, Saad, Shmaltz, Vinnie, Kempny, Tvr) - forum damn this loser is not worth entry level contract great return, Stan fleeced the other GM.
3 months later-what was he thinking? marco Dano, weisse, Kruger, etc for the guy who is contributing on the other team?
Seriously both players we got back are reclamation projects and there is no indication they will fare better than Marco Dano at this point. Disappointed since they gave up on him too quickly. They do not have cornerstone future players anymore even in potential besides Debrincat.

Bowman trades anyone (Danault, Leddy, Saad, Shmaltz, Vinnie, Kempny, Tvr) - forum damn this loser is not worth entry level contract great return, Stan fleeced the other GM.
3 months later-what was he thinking? marco Dano, weisse, Kruger, etc for the guy who is contributing on the other team?
Seriously both players we got back are reclamation projects and there is no indication they will fare better than Marco Dano at this point. Disappointed since they gave up on him too quickly. They do not have cornerstone future players anymore even in potential besides Debrincat.

Fair enough and I'd agree that there were a couple plays like that.

I think (overall) he's a nice option to have and I like his game a lot. I actually enjoy when he's paired up with Davidson.

Any word on when Murphy will be back?
- Hank3Henshaw

I don't know if there is anything official, but I saw on Twitter that Murphy is practicing with the team today. I think they said his first real practice this season. I'd have to think it will be a little while to get him up to game speed.

So I just got a delivery at my house and it was this sweater my wife bought for me. She said she got it for "Ugly Xmas Sweater" photos. I looked in the mirror and I asked her why she called it ugly?
- breadbag

I got a hawks "ugly" sweater too, but I question the ugly factor. I also have an "ugly" sweater of Santa on the crapper. Again, question the ugly factor. I love both sweaters haha.

Awesome with the jersey numbers and greetings.

Murphy has been skating on the ice for awhile now, but first practice. Great sign, but still a little ways away.

I don't know if there is anything official, but I saw on Twitter that Murphy is practicing with the team today. I think they said his first real practice this season. I'd have to think it will be a little while to get him up to game speed.
- breadbag

Def. Thanks for the info. I had not heard that yet.

I guess we got a #11 and #17 for jerseys.

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- breadbag

Very helpful. I wondered if they'd get here for practice today.....