Its meaningless. Its talent to play with talent.
- Elbows15

So faceoffs are meaningless but skating with the puck/having puck possession is amazing thing to do, as long as there is no contact to be had.

People cry and whine about the "push em back entry" (which every team does)...yet when Schmaltz would bail every time he carried the puck on the PP and was about to get hit, and that's acceptable or meaningless too?

Low Risk move considering what Schmaltz has done away from Kane this year.......NADA! Add a legit 3rd liner in Perlini (with Top 6 physical skills/potential) and a Lottery Ticket in Strome who gets to play with his BFF and the best American Born Winger in NHL History on his line. Even if Colliton goes with Saad-Cat on Strome's wing, that is lightyears more talent than he's played with in AZ.

The contract aspect is speculation, but I think it's fair to assume that Schmaltz's 50 point season puts a $4mil minimum on his next contract. Perlini shouldn't eclipse $3mil next summer and you get nearly 2 full years for Strome to figure it out on his ELC. If not, more cap flexibility to add an impact player. The potential upside of Strome to fill a glaring organizational need makes me like this trade right now.

Low Risk move considering what Schmaltz has done away from Kane this year.......NADA! Add a legit 3rd liner in Perlini (with Top 6 physical skills/potential) and a Lottery Ticket in Strome who gets to play with his BFF and the best American Born Winger in NHL History on his line. Even if Colliton goes with Saad-Cat on Strome's wing, that is lightyears more talent than he's played with in AZ.

The contract aspect is speculation, but I think it's fair to assume that Schmaltz's 50 point season puts a $4mil minimum on his next contract. Perlini shouldn't eclipse $3mil next summer and you get nearly 2 full years for Strome to figure it out on his ELC. If not, more cap flexibility to add an impact player. The potential upside of Strome to fill a glaring organizational need makes me like this trade right now.
- EnzoD

Agreed. Strome averaging over 50% at the dot already makes this feel like an upgrade. This team has desperately needed someone other than Toews who can win a friggin face-off.

Manning and Kunitz were brought in on account of Q. My guess would be that JC doesn't or won't play them much. Maybe they are there as extras or traded. But with Manning, Bowman doesn't really have contractual negotiating skills. I'm okay with most of his trades, but the term and aav, I have problems with that most of the time. I and most of the other posters said Q and Bowman should have gotten the pink slip at the same time.

The last line killed me!
- I Am The Breadman

I am not buying that load of horse manure. The GM's job to get the best players for the team.

I am not buying that load of horse manure. The GM's job to get the best players for the team.
- Elbows15

Most won't play for Chicago because we have been in the bottom for a few years. You can't sell free agent players on losing, but you can on the city. Kunitz's wife is from the city. Some players are from Chicago, like Wingels. Playing with Kane and Toews, or in Manning's case, Keith and Seabs, aren't enough anymore. I think Q had input, he liked his vets.

So faceoffs are meaningless but skating with the puck/having puck possession is amazing thing to do, as long as there is no contact to be had.

People cry and whine about the "push em back entry" (which every team does)...yet when Schmaltz would bail every time he carried the puck on the PP and was about to get hit, and that's acceptable or meaningless too?
- PatShart

The same things were said about TT. Looks like he grew out of it to me. These two will help the Hawks get a better draft position. Its a tank move. The GM has been after Schmaltz for over a year. Fine. Trade Schmaltz. Get something more useful instead of selling low on a guy. draft picks would have been a far better return

Most won't play for Chicago because we have been in the bottom for a few years. You can't sell free agent players on losing, but you can on the city. Kunitz's wife is from the city. Some players are from Chicago, like Wingels. Playing with Kane and Toews aren't enough anymore. I think Q had input, he liked his vets.
- I Am The Breadman

The Hawks are in position to be trying for big name FA at this point anyway. Don't kid yourself, tho. No matter what they say, 99% of the time, it comes down to money.

It still isn't a reason to sign poopty, old or washed up players either. Its terrible talent evaluation and even worse, cap management.

I would rather watch some young guys struggle than guys like Kunitz,Ward or Manning. Ya know? They play boring AF hockey and make me want to punch things. lol

I am not buying that load of horse manure. The GM's job to get the best players for the team.
- Elbows15

Manning, Kunitz, Rutta, Gustaffson and Ward are all on Bowman.

The extent to which Q had any say would have been Bowman calling him while he was playing golf and saying I'm going to sign Manning and Q responding "sure, whatever, bye."

And the same applies to the entry draft. Coaches have little or no input

The same things were said about TT. Looks like he grew out of it to me. These two will help the Hawks get a better draft position. Its a tank move. The GM has been after Schmaltz for over a year. Fine. Trade Schmaltz. Get something more useful instead of selling low on a guy. draft picks would have been a far better return
- Elbows15

Really? How's TT done in the playoffs since leaving?

The Hawks are in position to be trying for big name FA at this point anyway. Don't kid yourself, tho. No matter what they say, 99% of the time, it comes down to money.

It still isn't a reason to sign poopty, old or washed up players either. Its terrible talent evaluation and even worse, cap management.

I would rather watch some young guys struggle than guys like Kunitz,Ward or Manning. Ya know? They play boring AF hockey and make me want to punch things. lol
- Elbows15

So...you'd rather watch young players struggle/develop but dont want to see what 2 rather high picks can do with the Hawks - who were never given a shot with shatty talent in AZ?

The Hawks are in position to be trying for big name FA at this point anyway. Don't kid yourself, tho. No matter what they say, 99% of the time, it comes down to money.

It still isn't a reason to sign poopty, old or washed up players either. Its terrible talent evaluation and even worse, cap management.

I would rather watch some young guys struggle than guys like Kunitz,Ward or Manning. Ya know? They play boring AF hockey and make me want to punch things. lol
- Elbows15

I do agree with your point on money and I would even add term for that matter. Players do want money and to stay in 1 place, especially if they have families, some might ask or are just given nmc/ntc, depending on the gm. It does screw up our cap space.

To watch young kids struggle might not be best for their developments. I think there should be placeholders until they are seasoned in Rockford. If you would rather watch young guys struggle, then shouldn't you enjoy Perlini and Strome?

Edit: just read your response to a similar question.

Manning and Kunitz were brought in on account of Q.

The last line killed me!
- I Am The Breadman

This meme needs to be dealt with now, because it's likely crap. There is zero evidence that Q "made the decision" to sign those two guys.

In fact the only "evidence" we have suggests the complete opposite, because after Q was let go, Kunitz was getting PowerPlay time and enjoyed an enhanced role even if a short time of it, suggesting it was NOT Q who wanted him. Thankfully, JC has seen the same thing Q saw, the guy is washed up and has now been finding time in the box.

So...you'd rather watch young players struggle/develop but dont want to see what 2 rather high picks can do with the Hawks - who were never given a shot with shatty talent in AZ?
- PatShart

No because there is enough evidence to show what they are. One is a complete and total bust that can win FOs against low QoC. It would be a mistake to think it automatically translate to facing higher QoC.

The other is a 30 point guy at best.

I do agree with your point on money and I would even add term for that matter. Players do want money and to stay in 1 place, especially if they have families, some might ask or are just given nmc/ntc, depending on the gm. It does screw up our cap space.

To watch young kids struggle might not be best for their developments. I think there should be placeholders until they are seasoned in Rockford. If you would rather watch young guys struggle, then shouldn't you enjoy Perlini and Strome?
- I Am The Breadman

I should have clarified. Struggle that have upside. Strome can not skate well enough for this level. Perlini can skate but accomplishes very little.

Whateves, tho. They will help the tank.

This meme needs to be dealt with now, because it's likely crap. There is zero evidence that Q "made the decision" to sign those two guys.

In fact the only "evidence" we have suggests the complete opposite, because after Q was let go, Kunitz was getting PowerPlay time and enjoyed an enhanced role even if a short time of it, suggesting it was NOT Q who wanted him. Thankfully, JC has seen the same thing Q saw, the guy is washed up and has now been finding time in the box.
- kwolf68

Whatever man, it's no big deal. 1 mil for a year. I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

Whatever man, it's no big deal. 1 mil for a year. I don't care if I'm right or wrong.
- I Am The Breadman

That's fine you don't care, but why would you peddle BS information if you didn't care? Weak sauce comeback. You know damn well there isn't a lick of evidence to tie Q to these dumb ass Bowman moves and while I may agree it was time for him to go, at least be honest about things.

Hahahaha! Baxter, you are my little gentleman. I will take you to foggy London town, because you are my little gentleman.
- I Am The Breadman

I'm in a glass case of emotion!!!!

That's fine you don't care, but why would you peddle BS information if you didn't care? Weak sauce comeback. You know damn well there isn't a lick of evidence to tie Q to these dumb ass Bowman moves and while I may agree it was time for him to go, at least be honest about things.
- kwolf68

The list of free agents brought in over the past summers were older vets, or at least players who have a decent amount of time under their belts. Make of that what you will. When it came to who got more playing time vets usually got to play over young guys. All I have is that Bowman said they were Q wants. I won't put a lot of credence into it because it is Bowman. He can say whatever, but it didn't come across as a lie to me. I didn't mean I didn't care about the topic of arguing, just that 1 mil 1 year is too much to flip out about. It was a comma typo and autocorrect. As far as JC playing guys or not, I think he is seeing what works and what doesn't. It's evaluating for him.

I'm in a glass case of emotion!!!!
- dahawks8819

Hahaha!

I should have clarified. Struggle that have upside. Strome can not skate well enough for this level. Perlini can skate but accomplishes very little.

Whateves, tho. They will help the tank.
- Elbows15

What kind of contract is fair value for Schmaltz this summer? I would have loved high draft picks myself, but what were they going to get if they held out for picks and prospects instead of pulling the trigger on a change of scenery trade?

Manning, Kunitz, Rutta, Gustaffson and Ward are all on Bowman.

The extent to which Q had any say would have been Bowman calling him while he was playing golf and saying I'm going to sign Manning and Q responding "sure, whatever, bye."

And the same applies to the entry draft. Coaches have little or no input
- RickJ

That's what I've always assumed - that coaches discuss the system they play and what players work well within it, but that the final players selected were on the GM -which is why it was so strange to hear Colliton confirm in his presser today that he was an integral part of this trade decision.

That's what I've always assumed - that coaches discuss the system they play and what players work well within it, but that the final players selected were on the GM -which is why it was so strange to hear Colliton confirm in his presser today that he was an integral part of this trade decision.
- pdx2ord

I'm one who is mostly wrong, and my way of thinking might be in an ideal hockey world, but I thought gm and coach work together, along with scouts. I thought the gm works with scouts and they have info around the league on players. Then there are other scouts for drafting, slightly different animal. The coach then sees the lists and says, he would be nice to have. The gm makes it happen. I thought the coach makes suggestions and gm tries to trade for them. When it comes to free agency the coach makes suggestions as well, while managing the cap and rewarding other players. It makes sense to me that they cooperate because the coach has to coach players that they want. If I'm dead wrong, tell me and I will admit I'm wrong. Honestly, I just want to know.

What kind of contract is fair value for Schmaltz this summer? I would have loved high draft picks myself, but what were they going to get if they held out for picks and prospects instead of pulling the trigger on a change of scenery trade?
- 333inthe3rd

The 'Nick Leddy' scenario..

Any indicator from Colliton on what the lines will look like tomorrow night??

Low Risk move considering what Schmaltz has done away from Kane this year.......NADA! Add a legit 3rd liner in Perlini (with Top 6 physical skills/potential) and a Lottery Ticket in Strome who gets to play with his BFF and the best American Born Winger in NHL History on his line. Even if Colliton goes with Saad-Cat on Strome's wing, that is lightyears more talent than he's played with in AZ.

The contract aspect is speculation, but I think it's fair to assume that Schmaltz's 50 point season puts a $4mil minimum on his next contract. Perlini shouldn't eclipse $3mil next summer and you get nearly 2 full years for Strome to figure it out on his ELC. If not, more cap flexibility to add an impact player. The potential upside of Strome to fill a glaring organizational need makes me like this trade right now.
- EnzoD

Have you forgotten who hands out contracts for this organization?!