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TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Saad + Schmaltz for Nylander and Bracco and Leafs do it
- plantheparade


Nah.

Saad = 6 mil
Schmaltz = pending RFA who will likely ask for more than 1.5 million since he's playing in the top 6.

That trade does basically nothing for the Leafs, capwise. And yes, Nylander is better than Schmaltz and Saad combined.
steve362
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Saad & Boqvist for Nylander
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
I don't know if I ever called Kap a bust. but I am certainly on record as saying we got ripped off in the Kessel deal.

There's a high probability I'm wrong on this.

I have to admit I was never a true Andersen believer (despite the fact my daughter worships him).

Now, I'm not so sure. He just may be an elite goaltender.

I don't think you can ever say we won the Kessel trade, but this may be a good example of the trade benefiting both teams (see: Ignla, J for Niewendyk, J.).

- Atomic Wedgie

I didnt like the kessel trade, main reason was the money we retained. Had we not retained anything, i would have been content. I thought kap would be a 3rd liner, but he has been a pleasant surprise.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Poor TSN is running out of ideas....I’m sure by now they are pulling a teams name out of a hat at this point then just picking some random player.....tomorrow it will probably be “Nylander for Shaw? How does Nylander fit in with the Canadians?”
- RatedR80



TSN has already traded Nylander to every team, at least twice.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
TSN has already traded Nylander to every team, at least twice.
- PatC80


They just keep trading him back.

He's obviously a problem.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Nov 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
Because CBAs are negotiated by existing players, who are not afraid to throw younger players under the bus, because they don't give to franks about them.

Why the frank does Matthews make the same $ as Connor Brown for the 1st 3 years? Because he wasn't in the league yet when the current CBA was signed, and the players who negotiated it were happy to sacrifice guys who weren't at the table, so that the guys at the table could get more Benjamins.

- Atomic Wedgie


Yeah, I get that, though. I, personally, have no problem with the ELC model. Frankly, if you're a marginal prospect you're getting around $650k for your time in the bigs. That's not too shabby. I am also not underestimating nor undervaluing the amount of work and effort they put in on a daily basis to be a marginal prospect. But now they have a foot in the door, and can prove it. If you're an elite prospect you still have to show it. Otherwise Daigle would still be being paid by Ottawa.

I just find it weird that Nylander can spend 3 years in the league, and because he's not 23, he can't file for arbitration. The younger you are when you break in, the less rights you have.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 3:00 PM ET
Saad + Schmaltz for Nylander and Bracco and Leafs do it
- plantheparade

Ugh. No.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 21 @ 3:00 PM ET
Ugh. No.
- Fakepartofme


Nylander for Patrick Kane.

STRAIGHT

UP

It's done.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 3:00 PM ET
TSN: Here's why I think a Nylander for Saad trade is a good idea....

...

...

...

Nope, I got nothing. It's a terrible idea.

- PatC80


doesnt make sense for a lot of reasons. Thankfully the Leafs are no longer the Nonis Leafs and I would be terrified of a trade like that happening..because he won a cup or something
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 3:01 PM ET
They just keep trading him back.

He's obviously a problem.

- Scabeh


Nylander is free to sign an offer-sheet with any team. The kid is holding out on the entire league, not just the Leafs.. Starting to think, he only wants to play in the KHL.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Nov 21 @ 3:01 PM ET
Looks like TSN is at it again;

TSN‏Verified account @TSN_Sports · 1h1 hour ago


Should the Leafs consider a Nylander-for-Saad trade?

- PatC80


(frank)ing Button.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 3:01 PM ET
Because CBAs are negotiated by existing players, who are not afraid to throw younger players under the bus, because they don't give to franks about them.

Why the frank does Matthews make the same $ as Connor Brown for the 1st 3 years? Because he wasn't in the league yet when the current CBA was signed, and the players who negotiated it were happy to sacrifice guys who weren't at the table, so that the guys at the table could get more Benjamins.

- Atomic Wedgie

Meh, the quality younger players can negotiate bonuses.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 3:01 PM ET
Nah.

Saad = 6 mil
Schmaltz = pending RFA who will likely ask for more than 1.5 million since he's playing in the top 6.

That trade does basically nothing for the Leafs, capwise. And yes, Nylander is better than Schmaltz and Saad combined.

- TheMussel

I am getting tired of all these trade proposals.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Nov 21 @ 3:02 PM ET
I hope not.
- PatC80


Not a chance. It's still terrible.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 3:02 PM ET
Nylander for Patrick Kane.

STRAIGHT

UP

It's done.

- Scabeh

Kane cost too much


Next
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 3:02 PM ET
doesnt make sense for a lot of reasons. Thankfully the Leafs are no longer the Nonis Leafs and I would be terrified of a trade like that happening..because he won a cup or something
- senstroll


that's exactly what Button said;

Saad would be a great leader, because he won two Cups.. Also, that he has 6 goals this year, and if he played with Matthews, he'd easily have 7.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 21 @ 3:03 PM ET
I am getting tired of all these trade proposals.
- Santo_44


I'm kind of tired of max's trade proposals too
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 21 @ 3:03 PM ET
TSN has already traded Nylander to every team, at least twice.
- PatC80


9 more days of this right? Hopefully sooner tho I’m sure it’s been a blast to discuss every Nylander trade scenario under the sun every day of the week
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
I am getting tired of all these trade proposals.
- Santo_44


Trade Nylander to the Leafs for a 7x7 contract
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
I'm kind of tired of max's trade proposals too
- TheMussel

No you're not.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
9 more days of this right? Hopefully sooner tho I’m sure it’s been a blast to discuss every Nylander trade scenario under the sun every day of the week
- RatedR80


Once the 9 days is up the conversation will return back to ken hitchcock in no time, it'll be fine.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Nov 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
No you're not.
- AdamFrench


You're right.



How about.... Nylander and Andrew Nielsen for Evgeni Malkin and 1st
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
Not a chance. It's still terrible.
- GreatGigInTheSky


Chicago has nothing we need at the moment. Leafs don't need picks and prospects, if any deal did happen, it would need to include Jokiharju.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Nov 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
I'm kind of tired of max's trade proposals too
- TheMussel


Only "kind of"?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
(frank)ing Button.
- GreatGigInTheSky


I watched a bit of that segment, Button wasnt really saying thats what the Leafs should do or saying its fair..just a talking point.. I guess they do have to fill air time.

I would be the most boring host or guest...Id just say sign him. next topic
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