Horrible comparison. There's no Restricted Free Agency at Coke and Pepsi. There's no arbitration rights.

You make it sound as if he can just go sign with whoever wants to pay him most. That's not the way the NHL works. You're under team control for X number of years. Work through it, get paid based on comparable players and when your time of team control is over, go sign with whoever you want for whatever amount you choose. You don't get to decide that at 22 years old though.
- MrBen

Using the analogy, though, a more apt way to describe the scenario would be: Everyone else who performs as well as I do has as many years of service as I do and does the same job I do gets paid around $60k, give or take.

Therefore I demand $80k.

The analogy completely falls apart after that because Pepsi would just say, "Here's your $60k, or you can quit." and that's basically that. Once you're unemployed and doing unspeakable things with hobos for drug money, that's really your own business.

He can. It's just that the other teams have to give up a bunch of picks to do it.

The RFA system is broken and stupid.
- BINGO!

Lockout here we come.

So if you work for Pepsi and your boss offers you a raise to bring your salary to $60,000 per annum but Coke tells you that they would offer you $80,000 to do the same job(all things even) do you still sign with Pepsi for less without asking any questions, do you ask your boss at Pepsi to match the Coke offer (or come close) or do you just say I'm outta here, see ya?

What if you ask your boss at Pepsi for that raise and he says no. He says that you're a valued team member and theyve invested time and money in training you so you should stay. He lists a few other intangibles for why you should stay but doesnt budge on salary or perks. If you choose to leave does that make you selfish? I dont think so. I see this as a failure on the part of management to find a way to retain you if they value you.

I interpret this a bit different from you, with all due respect. to me, the fact that he hasnt demanded a trade but rather said I want to stay here if you can match or come close tells me that his #1 preference is to be a Leaf and win here.
- Turnitaround

So if you are a contract gladiator in ancient Rome. The leaders of 8 municipalities decide that they would like a tournament where they each employ 10 gladiators with a cap limit on payment. I would take a substantial pay cut to be surrounded by talent.

Hawks
Kings
Sharks
Penns
Anaheim
Bruins


Are aging older teams. I believe penns and bruins have an outichance of going far in playoffs but all have had their glory. Hope Dubas doesn’t get sucked into spare old parts.

Tell me more about the stats
- TheMussel

there has been a couple articles I read recently...would have to dig them up

Using the analogy, though, a more apt way to describe the scenario would be: Everyone else who performs as well as I do has as many years of service as I do and does the same job I do gets paid around $60k, give or take.

Therefore I demand $80k.

The analogy completely falls apart after that because Pepsi would just say, "Here's your $60k, or you can quit." and that's basically that. Once you're unemployed and doing unspeakable things with hobos for drug money, that's really your own business.
- Monkeypunk

Your personal story is a good reminder for the rest of us

He can. It's just that the other teams have to give up a bunch of picks to do it.

The RFA system is broken and stupid.
- BINGO!

I don't know if it is all that broken. The RFA system is designed to protect the team not the player. A player doesn't really have seniority yet in the league. They haven't yet earned the same protections as other members. So the CBA likely concedes to protect it's more senior members. The teams still need a chance to build their youth without giving away too much power.

I don't know why a player coming out of their ELC doesn't get arbitration rights. That part doesn't make sense. Not to mention a lack of mediation application for these types of scenarios.

I'd wholly agree that there has to be a way to resolve these types of situations more efficiently, but I would still strongly side with the team until a player reaches a certain age.

Your personal story is a good reminder for the rest of us
- TheMussel

It's been rough. The things you do for wifi.

I wouldnt trade Dermott for Konecny now.

Dermott has some really promising stats. The leafs this season are much better possession wise when he is on the ice.

He is what this team needs and everyone keeps trying to trade for
- senstroll

If it makes you feel better the Leafs wouldn't have drafted Konecny anyway...they would have drafted Sebastian Aho.

Kypreos suggested David savard and Josh Anderson for nylander kind of says all you need to know about kipper.

Apple orchard seems too weird of a nickname. Just call him magic.
- mykokes

Kypreos is just as bad as Button at making proposed trades.

it ended up being Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals

I remember having an exchange with you about Kap (you called him basically a bust).

I am pretty confident in a couple year we will look at Dermott/Konecny as a win and its not that close
- senstroll

If it makes you feel better the Leafs wouldn't have drafted Konecny anyway...they would have drafted Sebastian Aho.
- Glak18

now thats something to complain about..Aho/Dermott

now thats something to complain about..Aho/Dermott
- senstroll

Aho

Using the analogy, though, a more apt way to describe the scenario would be: Everyone else who performs as well as I do has as many years of service as I do and does the same job I do gets paid around $60k, give or take.

Therefore I demand $80k.

The analogy completely falls apart after that because Pepsi would just say, "Here's your $60k, or you can quit." and that's basically that. Once you're unemployed and doing unspeakable things with hobos for drug money, that's really your own business.
- Monkeypunk

How much do you make for those "unspeakable things"? I'm interested in a career change

If it makes you feel better the Leafs wouldn't have drafted Konecny anyway...they would have drafted Sebastian Aho.
- Glak18

Naw, I think they would have drafted Nick Merkley instead of Konecny

I don't know if it is all that broken. The RFA system is designed to protect the team not the player. A player doesn't really have seniority yet in the league. They haven't yet earned the same protections as other members. So the CBA likely concedes to protect it's more senior members. The teams still need a chance to build their youth without giving away too much power.

I don't know why a player coming out of their ELC doesn't get arbitration rights. That part doesn't make sense. Not to mention a lack of mediation application for these types of scenarios.

I'd wholly agree that there has to be a way to resolve these types of situations more efficiently, but I would still strongly side with the team until a player reaches a certain age.
- Monkeypunk

A possible solution is to tier the salary of none "senior" players. If a max contract is 20% of the cap then maybe there needs to be max RFA language somewhere to limit what they are eligible to play for. In most fields of unionized work you can't just walk in and make top money.

A possible solution is to tier the salary of none "senior" players. If a max contract is 20% of the cap then maybe there needs to be max RFA language somewhere to limit what they are eligible to play for. In most fields of unionized work you can't just walk in and make top money.
- Drapz

I agree with what you wrote then a rfa cannot be demanding to get overpaid. There would a max limit which would solve a lot

A possible solution is to tier the salary of none "senior" players. If a max contract is 20% of the cap then maybe there needs to be max RFA language somewhere to limit what they are eligible to play for. In most fields of unionized work you can't just walk in and make top money.
- Drapz

Actually, not a bad idea at all. It sets a cap on the amount of $$ an RFA coming off their ELC can make. They can't go into to the negotiations expecting to be paid more than a UFA.

Looks like TSN is at it again;

TSN‏Verified account @TSN_Sports · 1h1 hour ago


Should the Leafs consider a Nylander-for-Saad trade?

So if you work for Pepsi and your boss offers you a raise to bring your salary to $60,000 per annum but Coke tells you that they would offer you $80,000 to do the same job(all things even) do you still sign with Pepsi for less without asking any questions, do you ask your boss at Pepsi to match the Coke offer (or come close) or do you just say I'm outta here, see ya?

What if you ask your boss at Pepsi for that raise and he says no. He says that you're a valued team member and theyve invested time and money in training you so you should stay. He lists a few other intangibles for why you should stay but doesnt budge on salary or perks. If you choose to leave does that make you selfish? I dont think so. I see this as a failure on the part of management to find a way to retain you if they value you.

I interpret this a bit different from you, with all due respect. to me, the fact that he hasnt demanded a trade but rather said I want to stay here if you can match or come close tells me that his #1 preference is to be a Leaf and win here.
- Turnitaround

Umm no one else is offering more, so your example doesnt work

Dubas received several of these.


- Scabeh

Great film

Umm no one else is offering more, so your example doesnt work
- Fakepartofme

It's more like; Nylander saying "I've been working at Pepsi for 3 years now, I want to be paid like someone that's been working here for 15 years."

I guess, I think Andy's looked real good....JMO

We're still giving up way too many shots....24th in the league is not a good sign.

I'm not saying our D are 100% to blame, having the lead a lot probably contributes as the team starts playing safer etc etc.
- Garnie

I think he's been good too- I'm just saying the narrative that he's the only thing that stands between us and being 31st in GA is wrong.

I also agree that the SA are too high, but I think they're just a symptom of the style of play the Leafs have. It all starts with that stretch-pass... our SA is so high because it gets picked off, and play turns the other way, giving teams zone time, but they rarely get dangerous zone time, the Leafs do a good job pressuring other teams, forcing bad shots and turnovers, and turning the play the other way for a dangerous shot of their own.

A possible solution is to tier the salary of none "senior" players. If a max contract is 20% of the cap then maybe there needs to be max RFA language somewhere to limit what they are eligible to play for. In most fields of unionized work you can't just walk in and make top money.
- Drapz

It's probably the ideal framework for a solution. It would also solve some of the league's concerns with long term deals. If you're an RFA, you want to maximize what you can get - you're young, hungry, but should still be concerned about the effects of a career ending injury and so on and so forth.

Something that scales with service.

This is a very league-friendly approach, which the players wouldn't like without concessions in other areas.

Using the analogy, though, a more apt way to describe the scenario would be: Everyone else who performs as well as I do has as many years of service as I do and does the same job I do gets paid around $60k, give or take.

Therefore I demand $80k.

The analogy completely falls apart after that because Pepsi would just say, "Here's your $60k, or you can quit." and that's basically that. Once you're unemployed and doing unspeakable things with hobos for drug money, that's really your own business.
- Monkeypunk

Plus everyone around who is at the same or better makes 65k.