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dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 8:22 PM ET
The Blues wouldn't have put Berube in place if Q was going there
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 21 @ 8:22 PM ET
Leadership isn't on the coaches. It's on the players. Coaches pay the price for the lack of it but it's not on the coaches.
- MJL


Keep beating that drum Waldo. This teams performance certainly backs up all your spin doctoring.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Nov 21 @ 8:22 PM ET
Leadership isn't on the coaches. It's on the players. Coaches pay the price for the lack of it but it's not on the coaches.
- MJL

Of course, the coaches can say something or do something to the leadership too. In any job, the boss sets the tone. If something's off, it's his job to fix it.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 8:22 PM ET
Flyers need to buckle down and come out Flying. Buffalo is not a strong defensive team, there is 40 minutes to go. If they get their poop together they can still come back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Lol... Never mind
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 21 @ 8:23 PM ET
Flyers need to buckle down and come out Flying. Buffalo is not a strong defensive team, there is 40 minutes to go. If they get their poop together they can still come back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


To me, even if they come back it’s irrelevant. Hell it would be nice to see them not roll over but imo it’s more about the process than the actual results to a point, or should be anyway.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 8:23 PM ET
No team is fast when they're not moving their feet.
- MJL


And when their not firing off at all cylinders....man is it ugly. Teams like Tampa can coast to wins every now and again. This team does not have that luxury even a little bit
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Nov 21 @ 8:24 PM ET
Flyers need to buckle down and come out Flying. Buffalo is not a strong defensive team, there is 40 minutes to go. If they get their poop together they can still come back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hmmmm I pay to see that 🙀
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 21 @ 8:24 PM ET
Well. If anyone would like to either twist my nipples or rip out my pubes after that period I’m taking names.

That one hurt. Sigh. Mercy please. For (frank)s sake mercy.

- flyer_nutter


I’m always down for nipple play
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 21 @ 8:24 PM ET
(frank) Hexy.

I blame him for this roste makeup more than I blame Hak

- opeth_pa

Agreed. Hell its not like Hextall is scouting all theee kids and making picks in a vacuum. Pryor and the scouts do the lions share of the work. If this team ends up out of the playoffs and in the bottom third of the league, I’d have no problem if ownership pulled the plug on the Hextall era.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 8:25 PM ET
Friday is going to be a black Friday in the Wells Fargo Center
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 8:25 PM ET
Of course, the coaches can say something or do something to the leadership too. In any job, the boss sets the tone. If something's off, it's his job to fix it.
- feelingkettle



Okay what should he do to the leadership? Watch the replay of the Skinner goal. Watch the Captain glide from the blue line in while Skinner skates right by him into the slot to pot the rebound. That is what set the tone for this game and it continued through the period. Watch how tough it was for the Flyers to get out of the zone and how easy it was for Buffalo to move out of their zone and into the Flyer zone. So what should he do, bench Giroux?

I bet if the leaders came out on their skates ready to compete, the rest of the team would follow.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Nov 21 @ 8:25 PM ET
4-0?
😂😂😂😂
This is what you get Hextall, this is all on you!

- Buzzo

Leaning towards wanting him fired as well.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
That has to be one of the worst periods of hockey I’ve watched this team play this year.
Talk about going through the motions. Not one player I can say played semi ok.
I was not expecting to be checking out 2019 draft lottery prospects at this point in the season.
I’m not a Hak hater but his rope is getting tight.
Weal has to go he is not an NHL player. Let Laughton take 3rd line center duties. At least he is an NHL player.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
I think how Hextall responds to this season should determine his future with the team. Aside from drafting, he really hasn't shown much. His trades and coaching decisions do not inspire confidence. Regressing this season is a terrible sign and should be unacceptable to any GM who is worth anything.

At a certain point, it's on the GM to fix whatever the issue is.

- feelingkettle


The answer better not be "Wait for Carter Hart," because if that's the answer, everyone needs to get fired because nobody, absolutely no one, has any effing clue if he will stop a shot in the NHL
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
And when their not firing off at all cylinders....man is it ugly. Teams like Tampa can coast to wins every now and again. This team does not have that luxury even a little bit
- Just5


Apparently they think they can though!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
Hmmmm I pay to see that 🙀
- Landsbergfan


They did 4 goals against Tampa in just 20 mins. If they put the same effort out there, I dont see why they cant with double the time.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 8:26 PM ET
I guess another game of players not executing. What happens first? Trade or coaching change. This team looks embarrassing tonight.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 8:27 PM ET
So the Flyers have given up 10 goals in last 4 periods and an OT?!!! That’s solid defense and goaltending.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 21 @ 8:28 PM ET
Agreed. Hell its not like Hextall is scouting all theee kids and making picks in a vacuum. Pryor and the scouts do the lions share of the work. If this team ends up out of the playoffs and in the bottom third of the league, I’d have no problem if ownership pulled the plug on the Hextall era.
- BiggE


He’s going to get the chance to make a coaching change before he’s fired, and I’d agree with that.

I know I beat that Hak drum, and I want the beet farmer out but this is more than just coaching. It is however the easiest “fix” so to speak, and with Q and Vigneault available - you’ve got potential quality replacements out there.

I’m not sure why this season has to be thrown away. Other than some good games against a few poop teams in the West, they have looked brutal all season, and going back to the playoffs last year.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Nov 21 @ 8:28 PM ET
Okay what should he do to the leadership? Watch the replay of the Skinner goal. Watch the Captain glide from the blue line in while Skinner skates right by him into the slot to pot the rebound. That is what set the tone for this game and it continued through the period. Watch how tough it was for the Flyers to get out of the zone and how easy it was for Buffalo to move out of their zone and into the Flyer zone. So what should he do, bench Giroux?

I bet if the leaders came out on their skates ready to compete, the rest of the team would follow.

- MJL

I don't know what they should do, I'm not a coach. It's not my job to make adjustments to the team. It's the coach. Is he to blame for everything? No. But why is the PP worse this year? Why has the PK been bad for years? You and I know the coach takes the fall either way. But they are the ones in charge of the team. If leadership on the team is the problem then he needs to address it.

Like I said, in any job, the boss sets the tone. It is his responsibility to give players a kick in the ass, Giroux or whoever included. If he can't do that, then it's time to move on.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Nov 21 @ 8:28 PM ET
Friday is going to be a black Friday in the Wells Fargo Center
- dragonoffrost

Booooooooooooo
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 21 @ 8:28 PM ET
That has to be one of the worst periods of hockey I’ve watched this team play this year.
Talk about going through the motions. Not one player I can say played semi ok.
I was not expecting to be checking out 2019 draft lottery prospects at this point in the season.
I’m not a Hak hater but his rope is getting tight.
Weal has to go he is not an NHL player. Let Laughton take 3rd line center duties. At least he is an NHL player.

- bird_dog_pa


That isnt fair. I thought Giroux played well. Konecny needs to shoot. Couturier looked a lot better as the game went on. No one on that 2nd line looked good at all. Contant thing I saw with Line 3 was Weal being out worked, stripped of the puck or just giving it away.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Nov 21 @ 8:28 PM ET
You can give Hakstol the shank but if you don't give the next guy the pieces you didn't give him, it's not gonna change

FFS

The most casual fans knew they couldn't kill penalties and needed goaltending

Sometimes, you gotta pay for what you don't have. You don't get awards for having the most draft oicks or cap space or whatever the (frank) means we whistled past the graveyard with Mr. Glass and no PK

- AllInForFlyers

Very well said. The needs were obvious and he blew it. I think this is really the first time that the fans are starting to heat up his seat. He preached patience and the fans gave it to him. But regression and mediocrity is simply unacceptable at this point.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Nov 21 @ 8:29 PM ET
The answer better not be "Wait for Carter Hart," because if that's the answer, everyone needs to get fired because nobody, absolutely no one, has any effing clue if he will stop a shot in the NHL
- AllInForFlyers



murray for scott laughton?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 8:29 PM ET
Well it took them the show it during the intermission. Hak ripped into them during the time out
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