Which is where I made the suggestion of putting G with NoPa and JVR with Coots but I guess it only matters if you dont have selective reading.....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I addressed that with number 4 but I guess it only matters if you don't have selective reading.....

Why are the Flyers generating more chances with JvR off the ice than on it?

You can try to dismiss anything you don't agree with, but if you just say "my eye test" is enough then you are basically admitting your opinion is what you want to believe.
- hockeyal

I am assuming you are only using numbers for the 4 games he played?

Also why are the Flyers worse without Manning?

Why are the Flyers generating more chances with JvR off the ice than on it?

You can try to dismiss anything you don't agree with, but if you just say "my eye test" is enough then you are basically admitting your opinion is what you want to believe.
- hockeyal

The flip side of that is that doesn't tell you specifically that the issue there is JVR. It can't tell you why something is happening, only what is happening.

Interesting article on Phantoms PK:

http://insideahlhockey.co...ng-system-work-in-the-nhl

Flyers record this season when scoring at least 3 goals is 9-1-2.

Interesting article on Phantoms PK:

http://insideahlhockey.co...ng-system-work-in-the-nhl
- Doctor DOOM

The biggest thing I took from that article was a process of adaption. Finding the right personnel to play a certain way.

As for the Flyers, the PK has looked better over recent games. Yeah I know Tampa 3 for 4 last game. The biggest difference I have seen is getting the puck down the ice then putting a pressured forecheck as they skate up the neutral zone, at least make it tougher for the other team. Early in the year it was basically free zone entry and let them setup while we sit in position, might as well just knock the puck in your own net to save time then.

Interesting article on Phantoms PK:

http://insideahlhockey.co...ng-system-work-in-the-nhl
- Doctor DOOM

The single biggest take from that is the talk about when to pressure and when not to. This team has a real issue with that.

The biggest thing I took from that article was a process of adaption. Finding the right personnel to play a certain way.

As for the Flyers, the PK has looked better over recent games. Yeah I know Tampa 3 for 4 last game. The biggest difference I have seen is getting the puck down the ice then putting a pressured forecheck as they skate up the neutral zone, at least make it tougher for the other team. Early in the year it was basically free zone entry and let them setup while we sit in position, might as well just knock the puck in your own net to save time then.
- Glak18

I think the Flyers neutral zone play on the forecheck has always been okay. Once the puck is established is the real issue.

Why are the Flyers generating more chances with JvR off the ice than on it?

You can try to dismiss anything you don't agree with, but if you just say "my eye test" is enough then you are basically admitting your opinion is what you want to believe.
- hockeyal

First he has only played a couple of games and they were not good games as a team. Only playing a couple of games all you really can use is the eye test in my opinion. JVR also plays with a 3C which most agree is not ideal and Simmer who really is not a 5v5 powerhouse.

I like the areas that JVR grts to, I think he supports the puck well. I like what he has done when he gets to the puck. I like how he is using his size and has played with an edge.

Don’t trust my eye test, watch the game again. Watching game tape will always be better than fancy stats.

Again it is only a couple of games but when the team as a whole is flat, ride who is not.

Flyers record this season when scoring at least 3 goals is 9-1-2.
- NC Flyers Fan

First thought is..."Oh if the Flyers can get their scoring going then they will win", but a lot of the times this season where they couldn't bury chances were also when they had defensive brain farts.

First he has only played a couple of games and they were not good games as a team. Only playing a couple of games all you really can use is the eye test in my opinion. JVR also plays with a 3C which most agree is not ideal and Simmer who really is not a 5v5 powerhouse.

I like the areas that JVR grts to, I think he supports the puck well. I like what he has done when he gets to the puck. I like how he is using his size and has played with an edge.

Don’t trust my eye test, watch the game again. Watching game tape will always be better than fancy stats.

Again it is only a couple of games but when the team as a whole is flat, ride who is not.
- wcorvette

You don't score the amount of goals that JVR has scored in this league without getting to the right areas of the ice. That simple. The Flyers have a lot of good players. They have an issue with fit in some cases.

WRONG. The same players who were liabilities on defense 5v5 are either the same or bigger liabilities now. And some players that were reliable defending or at least passable are not playing soundly on the back check and in their own end. The second class gets the most ink (e.g. Coots, Laughton) but 20 games is not too few to recognize that Jake being -6 or Ghost being -8 is a problem. It's not too few games to worry about Provy being -3. Or to worry that even with a few blowout wins under their belt, they are still only +3 5v5 as a team.
- hockeyal

First thought is..."Oh if the Flyers can get their scoring going then they will win", but a lot of the times this season where they couldn't bury chances were also when they had defensive brain farts.
- Glak18

Sure...if ya goin’ to lose, lose big. Nah, I just think that the potential for success is there. That the team’s strengths have to be it’s strengths night in and night out. Offense is a strength. The results are promising.

Point really is that the weaknesses are easier to evaluate when the strengths are consistently there. Then we see what we have.

Sure...if ya goin’ to lose, lose big. Nah, I just think that the potential for success is there. That the team’s strengths have to be it’s strengths night in and night out. Offense is a strength. The results are promising.

Point really is that the weaknesses are easier to evaluate when the strengths are consistently there. Then we see what we have.
- NC Flyers Fan

But are their perceived strengths really their strengths? To me the Flyers have A LOT of firepower on the team, getting 3 most nights shouldn't be that big of an issue. I have also experienced the Flyers not able to bury point blank chances most times this season. When a team is constantly running into hot goaltenders, you have to question is it the goaltender or the players?

Here it is
https://theathletic.com/6...y-genius-against-arizona/
- NC Flyers Fan

Can someone please cut and paste the article and possibly post it onto the board? I’m trying to be fair, I’m trying to read the article but there is some kind of Advertisement keeping me from reading the entire article.

But are their perceived strengths really their strengths? To me the Flyers have A LOT of firepower on the team, getting 3 most nights shouldn't be that big of an issue. I have also experienced the Flyers not able to bury point blank chances most times this season. When a team is constantly running into hot goaltenders, you have to question is it the goaltender or the players?
- Glak18

Here is a comparison:

Flyers
Score 3/per games played 60%
Score 3 record 9-1-2

Washington
Score 3/per games played 65%
Score 3 record 9-1-2-1

Toronto
Score 3/per games played 71.4%
Score 3 record 14-1

Here is a comparison:

Flyers
Score 3/per games played 60%
Score 3 record 9-1-2

Washington
Score 3/per games played 65%
Score 3 record 9-1-2-1

Toronto
Score 3/per games played 71.4%
Score 3 record 14-1
- NC Flyers Fan

All the Flyers have to do is score 1 goal per period...

The only move I would make now if the opportunity is there, is to trade for Nylander. Other than that., leave the team. There isnt a quick fix, go with what we got, address what we need via TDL and FA. We can legit take a huge step forward next season.

What we need is:

#3 C (Preferably a PK guy)
Sign starting Goalie
Sign reliable backup
Trade AMac retaining 25-50%
Let Simmonds Walk or trade him
Let Lehtera and Weal walk

All of the above can be done before next season starts. I know people are frustrated with losing but this team should still make the playoffs. They could squeak into round two but not likely but we cant just keep trading our young players away. We need to keep to the program. Rome wasnt built in a day. Trading works if you have a surplus, right now we do not. We are close, we cant just throw it away now.

You don't score the amount of goals that JVR has scored in this league without getting to the right areas of the ice. That simple. The Flyers have a lot of good players. They have an issue with fit in some cases.
- MJL

I would agree for is an issue. I think with most bubble teams that is an issue.

But are their perceived strengths really their strengths? To me the Flyers have A LOT of firepower on the team, getting 3 most nights shouldn't be that big of an issue. I have also experienced the Flyers not able to bury point blank chances most times this season. When a team is constantly running into hot goaltenders, you have to question is it the goaltender or the players?
- Glak18

I think a lot of it is mental. The players know their PK is a disaster right now and they know that they aren’t exactly playing in front of the second coming of Bernie Parent most nights. When you have it in your head that you can’t win a 2-1 or 1-0 game, then you start to press offensively.

You rush a shot when you have time, and you hesitate when you should shoot. You start looking for the perfect pass when you should be shooting and you shoot when the smart play is to pass.

All the Flyers have to do is score 1 goal per period...
- Glak18

We’ll not win them all but if we play more to our offensive potential, we will better see if our limitations are costing us. The PP rediscovered will help.

I think a lot of it is mental. The players know their PK is a disaster right now and they know that they aren’t exactly playing in front of the second coming of Bernie Parent most nights. When you have it in your head that you can’t win a 2-1 or 1-0 game, then you start to press offensively.

You rush a shot when you have time, and you hesitate when you should shoot. You start looking for the perfect pass when you should be shooting and you shoot when the smart play is to pass.
- BiggE

I personally think the team is mentally fragile, but thats just me.

Jordan Weal eh. **Yawn**

I personally think the team is mentally fragile, but thats just me.
- Glak18

I agree. You can see the look of resignation on many of their faces when the team takes a penalty. It’s been remarked on before, but it’s still true. This team could use a Pronger type guy to add some leadership, a Timonen type to add some heart, a Briere type to make the big play when needed and a Scott Hartnell type to keep things loose.

At the end of the day, it’s still a game and you should enjoy playing it. The Flyers don’t seem to be doing that.

I think a lot of it is mental. The players know their PK is a disaster right now and they know that they aren’t exactly playing in front of the second coming of Bernie Parent most nights. When you have it in your head that you can’t win a 2-1 or 1-0 game, then you start to press offensively.

You rush a shot when you have time, and you hesitate when you should shoot. You start looking for the perfect pass when you should be shooting and you shoot when the smart play is to pass.
- BiggE

You are probably right and it is mental. But the results so far should encourage them to clear it out and just play. Hopefully, they can. Focusing on problems only makes them look bigger than they are. Our offense could be huge.