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Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 20 @ 6:53 PM ET
I think the PP structure is fine. Every team uses the drop pass to gain the zone with speed/ control. The issue is personnel. We SUCK! Of Edler and boeser we’re out there I truly believe our PP is top 10. That being said, no team is always healthy so I guess that’s a delusional dream. Hughes next year and all is solved
- CanuckDon


VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:54 PM ET
I think the PP structure is fine. Every team uses the drop pass to gain the zone with speed/ control. The issue is personnel. We SUCK! Of Edler and boeser we’re out there I truly believe our PP is top 10. That being said, no team is always healthy so I guess that’s a delusional dream. Hughes next year and all is solved
- CanuckDon


Edler is not good on the PP he is just not as bad as Pouliot
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:54 PM ET

- Codes1087


Agree with Don too.


EP should be out there for the full 2 minutes
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:55 PM ET
Edler is not good on the PP he is just not as bad as Pouliot
- VANTEL


Strongly disagree, I don’t think he’s a legit PP QB but he’s waay better than Pouliot.


I wouldn’t mind seeing Stecher get a look on the PP.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:55 PM ET
I am not a fan of the PP style, it is the same approach over and over....there should be a few different entry plays not just the drop pass and try to skate through the blue line or drop pass and pass to the winger on the blue line. Same play over and over and over....
- Makita

I agree. Diversity of play is key.....lack of it leads to predictability and thus loses. The play must suit the situation and the team they are playing
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:58 PM ET
Strongly disagree, I don’t think he’s a legit PP QB but he’s waay better than Pouliot.


I wouldn’t mind seeing Stecher get a look on the PP.

- Nucker101


I strongly disagree with your strongly disagree. I am not saying he is bad I am saying he is not good.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:58 PM ET
Watch how other teams gain the zone against us on the PP. Every team uses the same 2 or 3 different types of entries. There’s not much variety league wide lol.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 20 @ 6:58 PM ET
I strongly disagree with your strongly disagree. I am not saying he is bad I am saying he is not good.
- VANTEL

One guy is terrible and the other is average.


Agree to strongly disagree
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 20 @ 6:59 PM ET
Edler is not good on the PP he is just not as bad as Pouliot
- VANTEL

Edler is acceptable. That’s it
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 20 @ 7:00 PM ET
One guy is terrible and the other is average.


Agree to strongly disagree

- Nucker101


No doubt Pouliot is terrible . Edler is a guy that will pick up one PPP in every 50 tries.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 20 @ 7:01 PM ET
Agree with Don too.


EP should be out there for the full 2 minutes

- Nucker101

I’ve wondered the same thing. EP is changing event though he isn’t winded in the slightest.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 20 @ 7:01 PM ET
Edler is acceptable. That’s it
- CanuckDon


So do you disagree or strongly disagree? I think we are all saying the same thing .
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 20 @ 7:02 PM ET
Luke
- Codes1087

I'll take it?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 20 @ 7:03 PM ET
So do you disagree or strongly disagree? I think we are all saying the same thing .
- VANTEL

Can I disagree merely out of spite?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 20 @ 7:05 PM ET
Can I disagree merely out of spite?
- CanuckDon



That is today's theme
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 20 @ 7:06 PM ET
You make it seem as if I have something about dbot. I don't.

Just something you created on your own. If you would have allowed him to answer, it would have been fine.

- manvanfan

This is funny.

All I did was tell you he lives in New Zealand not Australia. I don't think you have a 'something' dbot. I just told you he wasn't Aussie. You are a tightly wound little person, aren't. Maybe take 1/2 a Lorazepam and settle down.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 20 @ 7:08 PM ET
I think the PP structure is fine. Every team uses the drop pass to gain the zone with speed/ control. The issue is personnel. We SUCK! Of Edler and boeser we’re out there I truly believe our PP is top 10. That being said, no team is always healthy so I guess that’s a delusional dream. Hughes next year and all is solved
- CanuckDon


That right there is the issue, "so in my opinion", you coach to the talent of the individual players not to "this is what every team uses".

So the coaching staff should determine the strengths and weaknesses and design plays that would work. Every team knows the Canucks MO on the PP and make adjustments accordingly.

If Horvat wasn't such a machine in faceoffs there probably is a 96.7% fail rate on the PP.

The above stat is completely pulled out of my ass, and should not be taken as truthful, this disclaimer is for the stat nerds...
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 20 @ 7:10 PM ET
That right there is the issue, "so in my opinion", you coach to the talent of the individual players not to "this is what every team uses".

So the coaching staff should determine the strengths and weaknesses and design plays that would work. Every team knows the Canucks MO on the PP and make adjustments accordingly.

If Horvat wasn't such a machine in faceoffs there probably is a 96.7% fail rate on the PP.

The above stat is completely pulled out of my ass, and should not be taken as truthful, this disclaimer is for the stat nerds...

- Makita

This is what I kind of was trying to say but I didn't feel like using a lot of words.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 20 @ 7:12 PM ET
I agree. Diversity of play is key.....lack of it leads to predictability and thus loses. The play must suit the situation and the team they are playing
- SMBDragon


Exactly...
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 20 @ 7:13 PM ET
This is funny.

All I did was tell you he lives in New Zealand not Australia. I don't think you have a 'something' dbot. I just told you he wasn't Aussie. You are a tightly wound little person, aren't. Maybe take 1/2 a Lorazepam and settle down.

- Marwood

Dude, i'm (frank)ing with you.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 20 @ 7:14 PM ET
Agree with Don too.


EP should be out there for the full 2 minutes

- Nucker101


If Quinn was quarter backing the PP in place of Pouliot or Hutton or Edler, people wouldnt complain half as much about the format of it. We dont have a mobile offensive defenseman with the skillset to fill that role currently. Its funny that people think its structure and personel over players though lol
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 20 @ 7:15 PM ET
This is what I kind of was trying to say but I didn't feel like using a lot of words.
- Marwood


Actually, I like the way Dragon said it with even fewer words.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 20 @ 7:19 PM ET
If Quinn was quarter backing the PP in place of Pouliot or Hutton or Edler, people wouldnt complain half as much about the format of it. We dont have a mobile offensive defenseman with the skillset to fill that role currently. Its funny that people think its structure and personel over players though lol
- Codes1087

Bang on Codes. Good post!
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 20 @ 7:21 PM ET
If Quinn was quarter backing the PP in place of Pouliot or Hutton or Edler, people wouldnt complain half as much about the format of it. We dont have a mobile offensive defenseman with the skillset to fill that role currently. Its funny that people think its structure and personel or players though lol
- Codes1087


Seems like a contradiction...if we had Quinn over Pouliot, Hutton or Edler sounds exactly like a personnel or player...and the structure is only as good as the talent.

What works for one team doesn't mean it will work for every team...if it does why isn't there success on the PP.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 20 @ 7:24 PM ET
Strongly disagree, I don’t think he’s a legit PP QB but he’s waay better than Pouliot.


I wouldn’t mind seeing Stecher get a look on the PP.

- Nucker101

I don’t even get why this has to be said, he has been above average pp for years and was doing well this year and last... one of the few! Either way, I agree
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