I haven't seen Marincin at all this year. Dermott has been playing well then you have Ozhiganov. Hainsey is an anchor on the top pair, but no way Gudas is taking that spot. Zaitsev is just a better Gudas.

That's like trading Simmonds for Marincin and the Leafs saying he is better than what you have.
- Glak18

Fair enough, we'll just agree to disagree on Gudas' value. We Flyers fans have a tendency to devalue our players out of frustration.

That's a situation I'd be keeping an eye on if I'm the Flyers. I'm team Saros as well but if they decide to get rid of Rinne he'd be a good pickup for us.
- FreshFlyer

It’s partly why I am in favour of Bobrovsky if he would be open to coming back. Nothing says Hart cannot develop slowly behind him.

Or you eventually decide between one or the other similar to Halak/Price or the choice Van had b/w Luongo and Cory.

I don’t care about the cap. Is the fear we would instead spend that money on guys like Mac or Weise and lose out? Pay for talent, don’t sign the trash.

I don't see you getting both for Simmonds unless he is signed for a few years at a reasonable cap.
- Glak18

Yeah. I didn't know.

I still feel edmonton could be a spot for Simmonds or even Voracek. They seem to keep looking for wingers for Draistl.

I feel you could make a hockey trade there. Could you pry a Nugent -Hopkins away to fill your 3c spot and also help on the PK?

Fair enough, we'll just agree to disagree on Gudas' value. We Flyers fans have a tendency to devalue our players out of frustration.
- juiced

Devalue?

Are we talking on the Flyers?
- flyer_nutter

Or just on a pleasant date. Some wine and a nice cheese plate... nothing french though.

Devalue?
- Glak18

Scratch and dent

Yeah. I didn't know.

I still feel edmonton could be a spot for Simmonds or even Voracek. They seem to keep looking for wingers for Draistl.

I feel you could make a hockey trade there. Could you pry a Nugent -Hopkins away to fill your 3c spot and also help on the PK?
- J35Bacher

Just seems like a lot of potential for a UFA and a team currently struggling. If Edmonton was willing to take Simmonds for Puljujärvi straight up I would jump at the offer. Even if Puljujärvi becomes a bust I take that chance with a UFA.

If you think Doughty wouldn't improve this team dramatically then idk man. Dude is a great d man
- FreshFlyer

No doubt he would and be our #1 Dman but with his contract we would have to sacrifice else where. Not enough money to go around.

Just seems like a lot of potential for a UFA and a team currently struggling. If Edmonton was willing to take Simmonds for Puljujärvi straight up I would jump at the offer. Even if Puljujärvi becomes a bust I take that chance with a UFA.
- Glak18

do they have a PK guy to throw in and sweeten the deal?

Devalue?
- Glak18

Yes...claiming Gudas is a healthy scratch for the entire existing Toronto D is significant devaluation.

As MJL would say....its exaggerated hyperbole to make a point.

It’s partly why I am in favour of Bobrovsky if he would be open to coming back. Nothing says Hart cannot develop slowly behind him.

Or you eventually decide between one or the other similar to Halak/Price or the choice Van had b/w Luongo and Cory.

I don’t care about the cap. Is the fear we would instead spend that money on guys like Mac or Weise and lose out? Pay for talent, don’t sign the trash.
- flyer_nutter

I'd love to have Bob back he's a great goalie and would improve this team instantly. Anyone who says the Flyers shouldn't sign a goalie because Hart is on the way doesn't realize that goalies are the hardest position to predict in terms of actually translating into NHL players. Hart looks like he is going to be good but there's not guarantee he ever even becomes a decent NHL goalie. If the Flyers have the opportunity to sign an established NHL goalie or trade for one they should do that.

It's fine.

It's all fine.

The players need to play better. Work harder.

More snot and balls.
- johndewar

so I have a question for you (or anyone who wants to answer). What do you want to see happen? play more young players, bring in veterans instead of young players, continue to replace older veterans little at a time, something else?

do they have a PK guy to throw in and sweeten the deal?
- ClaudeFather

Yes, but who do the Flyers add?

The team Hexy inherited finished 3rd had 2 fewer points and went out in the first round. You can site improvements on the farm and in the salary cap. But the on ice product, points in the regular season, and advancement in the playoffs have not improved at all under Hextal. That’s the fact.
- Djapana

A 10 point increase and finishing 3rd in the Metro is absolutely an improvement. That's the facts.

Yes...claiming Gudas is a healthy scratch for the entire existing Toronto D is significant devaluation.

As MJL would say....its exaggerated hyperbole to make a point.
- juiced

And who is Gudas replacing on the right side?

so I have a question for you (or anyone who wants to answer). What do you want to see happen? play more young players, bring in veterans instead of young players, continue to replace older veterans little at a time, something else?
- nastyflyergirl

I want a coaching staff overhaul first before anything else. Obviously the team can get better through a trade or two, but the core problem has to be fixed first. I don't want anymore Stevens, Berubes or Hakstols. Been there, done that and it doesn't work.

If you can get Nylander for Simmonds, Myers and a 1st would you make the deal ?
- FreshFlyer

I think you make that trade if your philly.

so I have a question for you (or anyone who wants to answer). What do you want to see happen? play more young players, bring in veterans instead of young players, continue to replace older veterans little at a time, something else?
- nastyflyergirl

1. Quenville comes in with all current staff being fired. I respect the decision to bring on a guy like Knob, but the PP has gone down even since he took it over. Personally I'd like to give Q the chance to pick his own guys. If Quenville refuses to come in, which is a very real possibility then things get tricky. I would be okay with a guy like Vigneault, but I do not want any more noobs similar to Stevens/Berube/Hak.

I do not for one second believe this team wouldn't be better with a guy like Sanheim in the top 4 consistently, not so focused on driving offense from point shots and a more aggressive PK, and approach for the most part. Hak hockey, is vanilla - passive trash, and as he loves to constantly say "to take what the other team gives you".

2. I would explore a solution to the goaltending. A deal for Crawford. He is a quality goaltender, that instantly becomes the best goalie on the club since arguably the days of Bobrovsky. Chicago could very well want to keep Crawford for the rebuild, having a solid keeper is a good piece to have. Speaking of Bob, that would be my ideal choice but a part of me believes he wouldn't want to come back here. A number of other clubs would have interest and rightfully so. Would love Dubnyk, but I feel Minny makes one more run at it and decides to keep him.

3. Myers would be up with Folin/Mac as the 7th guys. If one needs to be waived so be it. Vorobyev and Nak would join him, I am not of the belief that the club cannot to a certain extent "develop" or play young kids on the fourth line. There is nothing written in stone that it has to be a group of veterans.

4. Simmonds dealt in the first deal that make sense.

All hypothetical, but the vast majority of it could probably be done.

If Im Rob Blake and you want Doughty, I’m asking for:

Ghost
Konecny
Frost
2019 1st unprotected
- BiggE

AND PHILLY IS NOT GIVING....I HOPE.

This is BS. A good coach will teach players the correct way to do things. If he teaches it and they still don't do it, its his job to hold them accountable. If that still doesn't work, he needs to go to his head coach/GM and say "get me guys that can".

This whole thing about coaches have little impact is BS. They might not be able to fix it right away, but a good coach should fix it, plain and simple. That's why teams have coaches, to teach and motivate players, and hold them accountable.
- youarewrong

Okay, so remember the NJ game. The score is 1-0 NJ in the 3rd period. There is about 7 minutes left and the Flyers are still in the game and still have a chance to tie it up and get to OT and win. What happens? The Flyers #1 center and Selke finalist forward is skating the puck up ice at the NJ blueline and there are two NJ defenders standing up and the blueline and another checker pinching him off laterally across the blueline. What does Couturier do? He tries to stick handle through it and turns the puck over. Palmieri skates all the way to the net with clean ice and puts NJ ups 2-0. The game is now over.

How about on the 5 on 3 PK against TB? TB runs a simple set play that every player and every fan has seen umpteen times. The idea of sitting in a triangle formation is to keep the puck to the outside and have a player in any shooting lane. Johnson moves from the wall across the ice and you can see it coming before it happens. Couturier fails to have his stick in position and allows a cross ice pass and a one time goal.

How about on the first Point goal. He skates to the net unchallenged, Provorov fails to nullify his stick and has an easy deflection goal.

I could go on and on.

According to you the coaches haven't taught the players that this isn't the right way to play. That fundamentals you learn in the first year of juniors have to be taught by the coaching staff. The coaches should scratch or bench Couturier and Provorov and go to the GM and tell him that these guys aren't the right players. Or how about the turnovers Voracek has made in OT. Same thing with him, correct?

How about for a change the players hold themselves and their teammates accountable and the leadership of the team show by example that this is unacceptable. That repeated and routine fundamental mistakes are not acceptable. That simple plays like not chipping it deep and not managing the puck is unacceptable.

Remember how Hitchcock talked about how Primeau was a bridge from the coaching staff to the players and how the leadership insisted that things were done a certain way to get the message of the coaches through?

Such nonsense giving the players a pass and putting it all on the coaches.

Okay, so remember the NJ game. The score is 1-0 NJ in the 3rd period. There is about 7 minutes left and the Flyers are still in the game and still have a chance to tie it up and get to OT and win. What happens? The Flyers #1 center and Selke finalist forward is skating the puck up ice at the NJ blueline and there are two NJ defenders standing up and the blueline and another checker pinching him off laterally across the blueline. What does Couturier do? He tries to stick handle through it and turns the puck over. Palmieri skates all the way to the net with clean ice and puts NJ ups 2-0. The game is now over.

How about on the 5 on 3 PK against TB? TB runs a simple set play that every player and every fan has seen umpteen times. The idea of sitting in a triangle formation is to keep the puck to the outside and have a player in any shooting lane. Johnson moves from the wall across the ice and you can see it coming before it happens. Couturier fails to have his stick in position and allows a cross ice pass and a one time goal.

How about on the first Point goal. He skates to the net unchallenged, Provorov fails to nullify his stick and has an easy deflection goal.

I could go on and on.

According to you the coaches haven't taught the players that this isn't the right way to play. That fundamentals you learn in the first year of juniors have to be taught by the coaching staff. The coaches should scratch or bench Couturier and Provorov and go to the GM and tell him that these guys aren't the right players. Or how about the turnovers Voracek has made in OT. Same thing with him, correct?

How about for a change the players hold themselves and their teammates accountable and the leadership of the team show by example that this is unacceptable. That repeated and routine fundamental mistakes are not acceptable. That simple plays like not chipping it deep and not managing the puck is unacceptable.

Remember how Hitchcock talked about how Primeau was a bridge from the coaching staff to the players and how the leadership insisted that things were done a certain way to get the message of the coaches through?

Such nonsense giving the players a pass and putting it all on the coaches.
- MJL

So trade all penalty killers or fire the coach?

Just seems like a lot of potential for a UFA and a team currently struggling. If Edmonton was willing to take Simmonds for Puljujärvi straight up I would jump at the offer. Even if Puljujärvi becomes a bust I take that chance with a UFA.
- Glak18

I probably would to.

In my mind I do feel like a hockey trade involving Voracek would work well there.

To Edmonton: Voracek, Gudas, 2nd rounder, Stolarz
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujarvi, Khaira

I think that looks like a fair deal.

Okay, so remember the NJ game. The score is 1-0 NJ in the 3rd period. There is about 7 minutes left and the Flyers are still in the game and still have a chance to tie it up and get to OT and win. What happens? The Flyers #1 center and Selke finalist forward is skating the puck up ice at the NJ blueline and there are two NJ defenders standing up and the blueline and another checker pinching him off laterally across the blueline. What does Couturier do? He tries to stick handle through it and turns the puck over. Palmieri skates all the way to the net with clean ice and puts NJ ups 2-0. The game is now over.

How about on the 5 on 3 PK against TB? TB runs a simple set play that every player and every fan has seen umpteen times. The idea of sitting in a triangle formation is to keep the puck to the outside and have a player in any shooting lane. Johnson moves from the wall across the ice and you can see it coming before it happens. Couturier fails to have his stick in position and allows a cross ice pass and a one time goal.

How about on the first Point goal. He skates to the net unchallenged, Provorov fails to nullify his stick and has an easy deflection goal.

I could go on and on.

According to you the coaches haven't taught the players that this isn't the right way to play. That fundamentals you learn in the first year of juniors have to be taught by the coaching staff. The coaches should scratch or bench Couturier and Provorov and go to the GM and tell him that these guys aren't the right players. Or how about the turnovers Voracek has made in OT. Same thing with him, correct?

How about for a change the players hold themselves and their teammates accountable and the leadership of the team show by example that this is unacceptable. That repeated and routine fundamental mistakes are not acceptable. That simple plays like not chipping it deep and not managing the puck is unacceptable.

Remember how Hitchcock talked about how Primeau was a bridge from the coaching staff to the players and how the leadership insisted that things were done a certain way to get the message of the coaches through?

Such nonsense giving the players a pass and putting it all on the coaches.
- MJL

There are only 2 options:

1) Get rid of all the players the team is built around
or
2) New coach

Pick one, there is no 3.

I probably would to.

In my mind I do feel like a hockey trade involving Voracek would work well there.

To Edmonton: Voracek, Gudas, 2nd rounder, Stolarz
To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujarvi, Khaira

I think that looks like a fair deal.
- J35Bacher

I think that's an over payment on our part to be honest.

NO ONE here is giving the players a pass...we have no control over the players.

The coaching staff does.
- Glak18

The overwhelming majority of posts are blaming the coaches and not the players. The players are being given a pass and the poster I replied to definitely is.