I think we take all 3. We have played well against Toronto in the past couple years. I want that Rangers game to be 6 or 7 to nothing. Embarrass them.
- ClaudeFather

They could lose all 3 and the coaching staff would remain. You’d maybe see Folin play for Mac but that would be the big change.

Hakstol is currently the fourth longest tenured coach. In the class of Cooper, Maurice and Laviolette.

Guys like Babcock and DeBoer only a touch behind. One of these things is not like the other.

Heartbreaker on Sunday. You need to find a way to put up more than field goals in a semi final. Thought the D played well.
- flyer_nutter

Very,not sure who to blame more, Lapo or Nichols for such a poor offensive game plan and execution.

Ok I get that this is a discussion site. But its posts like this that drag it down in to the mud. He has NEVER ONCE said the coach is not the problem. What he has said, and I agree, is that the execution of the players is the main problem. And he has also said that he is not against firing Lappy. What he did say is that whoever comes in can only do so much as long as the players continue to do stupid things on the ice.

That is on the players.

Now, as has been said, you cant fix all the players, and the coach HAS to share in the blame, and he is the one who needs to go.

But I also agree with MJL in that I doubt a new coach makes much difference as long as players forget to keep sticks in the lanes and lose site of players sneaking in from the back door while while their sticks are on the opposite side of where they are supposed to be. Or why a player drifts too far away from his area of the ice while he is puck watching, or failing to clear the puck when he has time and it is on his stick.
- MBFlyerfan

This is all true.

i think the reason for a coaching change is sometimes it's the first step to letting players know they are next. Since it's easier to move on from a coach then player you make the change. Things don't improve and then maybe a player or players have to be moved.

I tought HitCock was retired. I guess the worst GM in the League until he is fired) coughed up some serious dough.

Ok I get that this is a discussion site. But its posts like this that drag it down in to the mud. He has NEVER ONCE said the coach is not the problem. What he has said, and I agree, is that the execution of the players is the main problem. And he has also said that he is not against firing Lappy. What he did say is that whoever comes in can only do so much as long as the players continue to do stupid things on the ice.

That is on the players.

Now, as has been said, you cant fix all the players, and the coach HAS to share in the blame, and he is the one who needs to go.

But I also agree with MJL in that I doubt a new coach makes much difference as long as players forget to keep sticks in the lanes and lose site of players sneaking in from the back door while while their sticks are on the opposite side of where they are supposed to be. Or why a player drifts too far away from his area of the ice while he is puck watching, or failing to clear the puck when he has time and it is on his stick.
- MBFlyerfan

This is BS. A good coach will teach players the correct way to do things. If he teaches it and they still don't do it, its his job to hold them accountable. If that still doesn't work, he needs to go to his head coach/GM and say "get me guys that can".

This whole thing about coaches have little impact is BS. They might not be able to fix it right away, but a good coach should fix it, plain and simple. That's why teams have coaches, to teach and motivate players, and hold them accountable.

Very,not sure who to blame more, Lapo or Nichols for such a poor offensive game plan and execution.
- Buzzo

Lapo was always a guy that loved the short passes. I actually didn’t think that was a terrible strategy.

What I saw was Nichols constantly taking too long to get the ball out even when he had time. Too many missed throws. He’s an adequate QB but arguably was the worst of the 4 guys left come the semis. Same old song and dance since Khari.

It's the correct answer. Now let's move onto what happened in the 5 on 3 goal.
- MJL

Couturier lost his Johnson.

As i stated in my post, please try to read the whole thing next time, he reminds us he's not against moving away from the coach. When would be the correct time to fire this guy? See if he can have us ranked dead last the entire season? Or how about all the way through 2020? And save me the BS, MJL just spews sh!t to all the other posters.
- ClaudeFather

The coach obviouslydoesn't effect the on ice product. I have no idea why we employ them. I wouldn't even replace good old Ian. Just fire him and pass out the penalty kill playbooks again. No need for someone to be out there stressing about something they have little to no influence over.

This is BS. A good coach will teach players the correct way to do things. If he teaches it and they still don't do it, its his job to hold them accountable. If that still doesn't work, he needs to go to his head coach/GM and say "get me guys that can".

This whole thing about coaches have little impact is BS. They might not be able to fix it right away, but a good coach should fix it, plain and simple. That's why teams have coaches, to teach and motivate players, and hold them accountable.
- youarewrong

I guess one of the better examples could be Trotz. The capitals always had talent just was missing something. He was able to come in and really change the culture and get guys to buy in and look what it got them

Ok I get that this is a discussion site. But its posts like this that drag it down in to the mud. He has NEVER ONCE said the coach is not the problem. What he has said, and I agree, is that the execution of the players is the main problem. And he has also said that he is not against firing Lappy. What he did say is that whoever comes in can only do so much as long as the players continue to do stupid things on the ice.

That is on the players.

Now, as has been said, you cant fix all the players, and the coach HAS to share in the blame, and he is the one who needs to go.

But I also agree with MJL in that I doubt a new coach makes much difference as long as players forget to keep sticks in the lanes and lose site of players sneaking in from the back door while while their sticks are on the opposite side of where they are supposed to be. Or why a player drifts too far away from his area of the ice while he is puck watching, or failing to clear the puck when he has time and it is on his stick.
- MBFlyerfan

Remember when you were a kid and you and your brothers would be clowning around in the house annoying your mom and even though she told you to knock it off you'd still keep doing it and then dad came home, got the report from mom, and then he told you to cut the crap and suddenly you all behaved? Same kids, same message, different voice, different behavior.

IL = mom
New coach = dad

This is BS. A good coach will teach players the correct way to do things. If he teaches it and they still don't do it, its his job to hold them accountable. If that still doesn't work, he needs to go to his head coach/GM and say "get me guys that can".

This whole thing about coaches have little impact is BS. They might not be able to fix it right away, but a good coach should fix it, plain and simple. That's why teams have coaches, to teach and motivate players, and hold them accountable.
- youarewrong

Whoa... bold statement.

The coach obviouslydoesn't effect the on ice product. I have no idea why we employ them. I wouldn't even replace good old Ian. Just fire him and pass out the penalty kill playbooks again. No need for someone to be out there stressing about something they have little to no influence over.
- mayorofangrytown

It’s clearly the passive box. That’s the biggest issue beyond anything else. In this league, when you continuously give teams so much time and space to create plays they will make you pay. More so when you have a goaltending tandem very few NHL clubs would willingly replace for their own, if any.

It’s on Hextall, and he can continue to throw seasons away. His time will come up soon enough too.

I guess one of the better examples could be Trotz. The capitals always had talent just was missing something. He was able to come in and really change the culture and get guys to buy in and look what it got them
- J35Bacher

BINGO. same page.

Remember when you were a kid and you and your brothers would be clowning around in the house annoying your mom and even though she told you to knock it off you'd still keep doing it and then dad came home, got the report from mom, and then he told you to cut the crap and suddenly you all behaved? Same kids, same message, different voice, different behavior.

IL = mom
New coach = dad
- Scoob

LOL

Remember when you were a kid and you and your brothers would be clowning around in the house annoying your mom and even though she told you to knock it off you'd still keep doing it and then dad came home, got the report from mom, and then he told you to cut the crap and suddenly you all behaved? Same kids, same message, different voice, different behavior.

IL = mom
New coach = dad
- Scoob

Excuse me are you assuming gender roles in 2018.

Flyers have been in the bottom half of the PK for the past 5 seasons, this last season and this season being their worst. How Ian has made it this far is incredible.

It’s clearly the passive box. That’s the biggest issue beyond anything else. In this league, when you continuously give teams so much time and space to create plays they will make you pay. More so when you have a goaltending tandem very few NHL clubs would willingly replace for their own, if any.

It’s on Hextall, and he can continue to throw seasons away. His time will come up soon enough too.
- flyer_nutter

I like what Hextall has done so far, but its time to see steps forward, not one forward, two back... or even two forward and 1 back.... Time to step it up or it might be the next guy that gets the credit for all his hard work.

Excuse me are you assuming gender roles in 2018.
- flyer_nutter

Are you assuming that Mom=female and Dad=male?

Lehterä back in with Laughton and Weise during practice.

Goodbye Nak. Solid player development. In a team that plays with as much emotion and intensity as a fruit fly, I thought he actually played well in the 5minutes/game he was generously allowed.

It’s clearly the passive box. That’s the biggest issue beyond anything else. In this league, when you continuously give teams so much time and space to create plays they will make you pay. More so when you have a goaltending tandem very few NHL clubs would willingly replace for their own, if any.

It’s on Hextall, and he can continue to throw seasons away. His time will come up soon enough too.
- flyer_nutter

It doesn't help when the goalie gives up soft goals. There's a confidence issue for sure but you're right, the time and space they give should keep the shots to the outside but they obviously have pressure points where they're supposed to press up in certain areas and when they do it all falls apart.

Lehterä back in with Laughton and Weise during practice.

Goodbye Nak. Solid player development. In a team that plays with as much emotion and intensity as a fruit fly, I thought he actually played well in the 5minutes/game he was generously allowed.
- flyer_nutter

This actually doesn't bother me.

I actually find it more frustrating having Weal at 3C. I'd rather see Laughton maybe there and Weal sitting.

Also Raffl is skating so maybe Aube-Kubel goes back to Lehigh

It's fine.

It's all fine.

The players need to play better. Work harder.

More snot and balls.
- johndewar

^^

Bill, I have some questions for you if you have the time.

Should Ron Hextall be facing criticism for going into the season with a goalie tandem featuring one guy coming off a major surgery and another who never makes it through a season without spending time on IR? To me, its baffling that the GM on one hand, says it's time for this team to take the next step, then does nothing to shore up a critical component of the team.

Along the same lines, should Hextall also be facing criticism for doing nothing to address the 3C position during the offseason?

Should the Flyers be in the market for an experienced NHL goalie?

Should the Flyers be looking to acquire another center who can fill the 3C role in the short term?

At the very least, if not relieved of his duties all together, should Ian Lapperierre at least be relieved of his PK coaching duties?

And finally, if they miss the playoffs this year, can Hextall realistically bring back Dave Hakstol as head coach in what would be a lame duck situation?

Thanks and here's wishing you and your family a very happy Thanksgiving!
-BiggE

Realistically no. Perhaps he could have gone out and signed a more reliable tender instead of reupping Neuvirth but as far as Elliot goes, he was the best available. Flyers will look to move on this season as much better options are available but nothing is a guarantee. Hextall did try to address the 3 C problem however all the available guys selected different teams.

This team has taken the next step. They have an offense of a contender. The Defense still needs a little work and we should get a goalie by Free agent period. The PK is a different story. Hextall said they would need to work it out interally however that doesnt appear to be happening so I believe Lappy has to go. Give Hak full reins of his staff and hire guys he wants. Right now he was left with Berube's sloppy seconds

Realistically no. Perhaps he could have gone out and signed a more reliable tender instead of reupping Neuvirth but as far as Elliot goes, he was the best available. Flyers will look to move on this season as much better options are available but nothing is a guarantee. Hextall did try to address the 3 C problem however all the available guys selected different teams.

This team has taken the next step. They have an offense of a contender. The Defense still needs a little work and we should get a goalie by Free agent period. The PK is a different story. Hextall said they would need to work it out interally however that doesnt appear to be happening so I believe Lappy has to go. Give Hak full reins of his staff and hire guys he wants. Right now he was left with Berube's sloppy seconds
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hakstol is the head coach. Has been for multiple seasons. It’s his team. I do not for one second believe he doesn’t support the approach Lappy is taking.

It’s like taking an Advil when your head hurts during a stroke.

Hakstol is the head coach. Has been for multiple seasons. It’s his team. I do not for one second believe he doesn’t support the approach Lappy is taking.

It’s like taking an Advil when your head hurts during a stroke.
- flyer_nutter

Wait, what's wrong with that