With comparable numbers to Marner, better even strength numbers but was on second PP. The real issue is how much less than Marner should he be paid. He thinks the gap is smaller than what Dubas thinks.
- Canada Cup

So you are basing your values strictly on pts?
Do you actually watch the games - their value to a line, between those 2 players, is pretty big!

- plantheparade

I’m not saying he’s right but I’m pretty sure that based on the last two years he doesn’t think he is worth $3 or 4M less a year. I’m not sure an arbitrator would give him that much less either.

I’m not saying he’s right but I’m pretty sure that based on the last two years he doesn’t think he is worth $3 or 4M less a year. I’m not sure an arbitrator would give him that much less either.
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The issue is he thinks he is worth closer to a million less.

I’m not saying he’s right but I’m pretty sure that based on the last two years he doesn’t think he is worth $3 or 4M less a year. I’m not sure an arbitrator would give him that much less either.
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Mitch Marner will be a top5 FW in NHL for next decade.

Nylander might be a legit 1st liner.

So you are basing your values strictly on pts?
Do you actually watch the games - their value to a line, between those 2 players, is pretty big!
- Cooshie

Steve Simmons argument was based on numbers. Nylander is being seriously undervalued.

Steve Simmons argument was based on numbers. Nylander is being seriously undervalued.
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Do you think he is worth more than $7million?

I think $7mill is a slight over payment for his body of work to date...
He wants more than that....

I don't think anyone is undervaluing Nylander, but I do think he is overvaluing himself right now.

The issue is he thinks he is worth closer to a million less.
- Cooshie

I think he’s worth about $7M. Based on last two years, Marner is worth a bit more. By the end of this year, Marner could be worth $9M or more.

Mitch Marner will be a top5 FW in NHL for next decade.

Nylander might be a legit 1st liner.
- plantheparade

Nylander is already a legit 1st liner at 21....I’m not sure how you can argue that.

Steve Simmons argument was based on numbers. Nylander is being seriously undervalued.
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Just ask his dad... 😎

Just ask his dad... 😎
- Larry_Fine

Or Max

I think he’s worth about $7M. Based on last two years, Marner is worth a bit more. By the end of this year, Marner could be worth $9M or more.
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Let me ask you, if Nylander were 29yrs old, would he have a $7mill value today?

Nylander is already a legit 1st liner at 21....I’m not sure how you can argue that.
- bryant

I like Nylander and hate diminishing his value but Nylander (right now) does not drive a line. Marner does! Marner makes players around him better....I don't know if Nylander does or needs to play with someone like Matthews/Tavares to make him better.....

Let me ask you, if Nylander were 29yrs old, would he have a $7mill value today?
- Cooshie

Same player at age 29 would be worth less with less upside.

Let me ask you, if Nylander were 29yrs old, would he have a $7mill value today?
- Cooshie

If he is a ufa someone would pay 7 million or close to it probably.
What did jvr get? I would’ve taken nylander over jvr last year if they were the same age.

Same player at age 29 would be worth less with less upside.
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How much less? My guess, a guy that doesn't add any physicality and known to float/disappear during games.... I would say $5mill?

My point is that $7mill is an over payment and that is due to his age and upside....
He wants $8mill plus...

If he is a ufa someone would pay 7 million or close to it probably.
What did jvr get? I would’ve taken nylander over jvr last year if they were the same age.
- bryant

Right, but Nylander is not a UFA and UFA's aren't just overpaid, they are grossly overpaid.
I don't think an RFA can claim his value to be what he would get if he were a UFA....it doesn't work like that. Teams are not going to grossly overpay their own RFA's (for the most part).

I like Nylander and hate diminishing his value but Nylander (right now) does not drive a line. Marner does! Marner makes players around him better....I don't know if Nylander does or needs to play with someone like Matthews/Tavares to make him better.....
- Cooshie

Of course Marneris s better player but don’t make it seem that Nylander is a neutral beneficiary of playing with Matthews. Nylander and Marner do a lot of the same things really well - getting puck put of our zone with control and entering offensive zone with control.

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- mikeinbuffalo

It's not even up for debate if he keeps it up

Let me ask you, if Nylander were 29yrs old, would he have a $7mill value today?
- Cooshie

Yes. With cap% increasing.

81 20 35 55 = 6mil
79 22 42 64 = 6mil
81 36 18 54 = 7mil

82 20 41 61 = ?

With comparable numbers to Marner, better even strength numbers but was on second PP. The real issue is how much less than Marner should he be paid. He thinks the gap is smaller than what Dubas thinks.
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The problem with your above post is youre comparing Nylanders 3rd year to Marners 2nd year.

The issue here is timing. Nylander got kinda screwed by it, sort of. Marner is about to break out in the year before his contract expires. Hes set to surpass Nylanders 60pts by a wide margin. Nylander should have broke out in his final year. He didnt. This is why Marner will make, and has earned, to be paid more by a wide margin.

If Marner looked like a 60 pt player, in his final
year of his contract, youd be right. He looks like so much more.

Do you think he is worth more than $7million?

I think $7mill is a slight over payment for his body of work to date...
He wants more than that....

I don't think anyone is undervaluing Nylander, but I do think he is overvaluing himself right now.
- Cooshie

How do you know he wants more? By all accounts the leafs have only just in the last week offered him 6mil. How do you know that if the leafs offer him closer to what he's worth at 6.5-7 he wouldn't take it?

People think he being greedy for not signing yet, but the leafs haven't even offered him a serious offer yet.

Yes. With cap% increasing.

81 20 35 55 = 6mil
79 22 42 64 = 6mil
81 36 18 54 = 7mil

82 20 41 61 = ?
- AdamFrench

You are using JVR's UFA value....RFA value is not the same as UFA.

Name three D who have done more than Rielly so far this season?

You can’t.

End of conversation.

At the very least, Rielly is a Norris candidate at this point.

You are using JVR's UFA value....RFA value is not the same as UFA.
- Cooshie

You said if he was 29 putting up the same numbers.

How do you know he wants more? By all accounts the leafs have only just in the last week offered him 6mil. How do you know that if the leafs offer him closer to what he's worth at 6.5-7 he wouldn't take it?

People think he being greedy for not signing yet, but the leafs haven't even offered him a serious offer yet.
- burn

No one knows for sure....can only discuss based on speculation.

However, it is HIGHLY doubtful that if your numbers were what they are actually talking about, a deal wouldn't have already been completed. If the Leafs could sign him for between 6.5 and 7mill.....he becomes a WAY more tradeable commodity as well. Can't see that scenario in any way being reality.