Terrible terrible!

What is wrong with this world?

Thanks for the note Jason. You are one of the good ones.
- Justin Lowe

There's a mass shooting every second day in America and you ask what's wrong?

Incredible.

There's a mass shooting every second day in America and you ask what's wrong?

Incredible.
- Hawkster

Lack of respect for human life.

There's a mass shooting every second day in America and you ask what's wrong?

Incredible.
- Hawkster

Lots of things wrong.

Starting at the top and running right thru all of us.

Four more dead in Chicago - four shot and one dead in Denver.

That’s ok - let’s keep doing the same old nothing.

Lots of things wrong.

Starting at the top and running right thru all of us.

Four more dead in Chicago - four shot and one dead in Denver.

That’s ok - let’s keep doing the same old nothing.
- StLBravesFan

One shot in St. Louis and multiple sexually assaulted in the same incident.

Sorry guys, didn't mean to bring the thread down. I know I haven't been around much but wanted to wish you all a happy US thanksgiving.

Also, good to see you around Ogie, hope the friendly skies are actually being friendly.

Lots of things wrong.

Starting at the top and running right thru all of us.

Four more dead in Chicago - four shot and one dead in Denver.

That’s ok - let’s keep doing the same old nothing.
- StLBravesFan

Agree, the leadership in Chicago has been the same for generations.

Anyone watching Calgary & Vegas?

Agree, the leadership in Chicago has been the same for generations.
- TrueGrit

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."- The Who

One shot in St. Louis and multiple sexually assaulted in the same incident.

Sorry guys, didn't mean to bring the thread down. I know I haven't been around much but wanted to wish you all a happy US thanksgiving.

Also, good to see you around Ogie, hope the friendly skies are actually being friendly.
- Jason Millen

As friendly as can be, though I prefer to know why you fly or to be something special in the air...if you catch my drift

Agree, the leadership in Chicago has been the same for generations.
- TrueGrit

Get rid of the Bowmans would be a start.

Another Random thought for the graduate level fans on the board.

Many do not like the talent cupboard and prospects, but I had this stray thought the other day.

I believe the HAWKS are following the Predators model. That is draft and develop defense men stock those shelves build depth and use those trade chips to obtain developed offensive talent. I can't rattle them off like some of you can, but there are a number of solid prospects, great skaters with mobility and offensive and defensive sense, which is needed. Gone are the days of the number 1 and 2. I believe it is about having 4 or 5 solid skating d man.

Talk among yourselves
- TrueGrit

I'll take a stab.

Definitely agree with the strategy to restock the farm and grow a new nucleus starting with the blueline. Not sure if they are mimicking Nashville to a T but strategies are generally the same.

Jokiharju is proving to be a solid #1 draft pick who could very well end up being the Hawks top defender and even best players. He's already played top pair with relative success and will keep improving.

Boqvist does have the potential to be Karlsson-like. Not sure what his defensive acumen will be. Don't think he'll be devoid of defense like Gustafsson but he may not be stellar on D like Jokiharju. If Jokiharju anchors the 1st pair, Boqvist may end up anchoring the 2nd pair but would be on the 1st pair if not for 28 since both are RHD.

Beaudin may end up rivaling Jokiharju for best all around D-man who can carry the mail, create offense, and be tough to play against defensively. Neither he or Jokiharju are huge or will be menacing on the blueline but both are showing to be adept with a mix of stick checking, gap control, and timely use of the body to separate the puck from the opponent.

Mitchell could be close behind Beaudin and live up to the moniker of Keith Lite. Similar traits as Beaudin. Overall well rounded player who has top 4 potential but may end up anchoring the 3rd pair since he is also a RHD unless he can also play left side.

Krys is developing his defensive game at BU and could be a solid option on the 3rd pair. Or he could be a victim of the numbers game along with Forsling and be traded to fill other needs.

Carlsson, Hillman, and Gilbert are defensive defensemen. If there's a prospect who is reminiscent of Hjalmarsson, it's Carlsson. He doesn't give up on plays and is a solid skater.

Hillman isn't the best skater in the group but he can keep up. Plays physical when needed but can also start the transition with a good first pass out of the zone and stay back to guard the house.

Gilbert is visibly one of the biggest players on the Hogs and can display a mean streak with heavy hits and a few fights already. At best he's likely a 6 or 7. When I see him, I see Roman Polak without the constant Hulk Smash mentality.

I'll take a stab.

Definitely agree with the strategy to restock the farm and grow a new nucleus starting with the blueline. Not sure if they are mimicking Nashville to a T but strategies are generally the same.

Jokiharju is proving to be a solid #1 draft pick who could very well end up being the Hawks top defender and even best players. He's already played top pair with relative success and will keep improving.

Boqvist does have the potential to be Karlsson-like. Not sure what his defensive acumen will be. Don't think he'll be devoid of defense like Gustafsson but he may not be stellar on D like Jokiharju. If Jokiharju anchors the 1st pair, Boqvist may end up anchoring the 2nd pair but would be on the 1st pair if not for 28 since both are RHD.

Beaudin may end up rivaling Jokiharju for best all around D-man who can carry the mail, create offense, and be tough to play against defensively. Neither he or Jokiharju are huge or will be menacing on the blueline but both are showing to be adept with a mix of stick checking, gap control, and timely use of the body to separate the puck from the opponent.

Mitchell could be close behind Beaudin and live up to the moniker of Keith Lite. Similar traits as Beaudin. Overall well rounded player who has top 4 potential but may end up anchoring the 3rd pair since he is also a RHD unless he can also play left side.

Krys is developing his defensive game at BU and could be a solid option on the 3rd pair. Or he could be a victim of the numbers game along with Forsling and be traded to fill other needs.

Carlsson, Hillman, and Gilbert are defensive defensemen. If there's a prospect who is reminiscent of Hjalmarsson, it's Carlsson. He doesn't give up on plays and is a solid skater.

Hillman isn't the best skater in the group but he can keep up. Plays physical when needed but can also start the transition with a good first pass out of the zone and stay back to guard the house.

Gilbert is visibly one of the biggest players on the Hogs and can display a mean streak with heavy hits and a few fights already. At best he's likely a 6 or 7. When I see him, I see Roman Polak without the constant Hulk Smash mentality.
- AEL_Fox

Love the quick breakdowns and possible playing/position scenarios. I've read a bunch of SCH's top 25 under 25, seen some games, and I agree and hope for most of what you say. The highlighted part is what needs to be broken down for me, because I just don't get it. I've read that Forsling could be a piece of trade bait, and he could get a nice return, not king's ransom, but nice value. He's young and has nice upside, and I would hate to see him go when there's a quick 3 on d that should be shown the door before him. What do you mean by victim of numbers game?

Tankathon has us slated in the #9 spot, and says we would take C Alex Newhook ... I am glad for help down the middle because forwards need to be the focal point to improve this team. I know nothing about him. Would he be a good pick? I know a lot will go on between then and now and will be pretty fluid, just want to start getting some knowledge under my belt before Draft Day.

Yeo was just fired

Yeo was just fired
- Gerk

Enjoy Q!

Lots of things wrong.

Starting at the top and running right thru all of us.

Four more dead in Chicago - four shot and one dead in Denver.

That’s ok - let’s keep doing the same old nothing.
- StLBravesFan

2 blocks from my last apartment in the central downtown area near all the nightlife in Denver.....

Yeo was just fired
- Gerk

I'm not a Yeo fan but the Blues need a better goalie more than a new coach.

Love the quick breakdowns and possible playing/position scenarios. I've read a bunch of SCH's top 25 under 25, seen some games, and I agree and hope for most of what you say. The highlighted part is what needs to be broken down for me, because I just don't get it. I've read that Forsling could be a piece of trade bait, and he could get a nice return, not king's ransom, but nice value. He's young and has nice upside, and I would hate to see him go when there's a quick 3 on d that should be shown the door before him. What do you mean by victim of numbers game?
- I Am The Breadman

Numbers game meaning that the Hawks may have a bunch of solid prospects who could all deserve spots in the starting lineup but not enough spots to give them. If that's the case, then the team is in a place of strength where they could swing a "Jones for Johansen" deal (as you suggested earlier) to send an excess of NHL caliber defenders to shore up at top 6 forward or 3C.

Let's say Forsling, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, and Krys all hit their potential. That's 6 right there. This also doesn't count defense-first blueliners like Carlsson, Hillman, Gilbert, and even Dahlstrom and Tuulola.

Also keep in mind Keith and Seabrook may end up retiring as Blackhawks so that is a factor for the timeline of when spots open up. Murphy, too, but he's the easiest of those 3 to trade if need be.

At least Gustafsson and Manning's contracts end after next season, and Rutta and Davidson's this season (unless Stan can trade any of them within the next year for picks).

2 blocks from my last apartment in the central downtown area near all the nightlife in Denver.....
- EnzoD

Yeah. Near the ballpark and one of our go to breakfast spots - know Snooze AM eatery?

Enjoy Q!
- I Am The Breadman

when he was fired, the worst case scenario I feared was that the Blues hire him.

Justin,

You did not miss much.

Colliton is showing well; his ways iss breathe of fresh air and a new beginning really was not going to happen with Q. The aitiy for the axe to fall - have to believe knowledgeabe fans cpcyef it.

I do not jump on the Bowman is barely hanging on to his job and has made more bad than good transactions. There is no doubt this is a tough situation when you have aging top players in Seabrook and Toeee no longer contributing the way they once did. Their money is too much but that often happens are w byproduct of team success. That their credit and the loyalty gactor, too on Rocky's behalf, they

Yeo was just fired
- Gerk

You could see this happening when the Blues first hired him.

His "success" in Minnesota was relying on a big goalie, and a team that bought into the zone trap defense. Still didn't get them past the second round.

Same goes with St. Louis - only they didn't have the big goalie to bail them out.

Let's hope we don't see him as a head coach in the NHL again - unless he quits parroting the Darryl Sutter model of hockey. No one wants to watch it.

Numbers game meaning that the Hawks may have a bunch of solid prospects who could all deserve spots in the starting lineup but not enough spots to give them. If that's the case, then the team is in a place of strength where they could swing a "Jones for Johansen" deal (as you suggested earlier) to send an excess of NHL caliber defenders to shore up at top 6 forward or 3C.

Let's say Forsling, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, and Krys all hit their potential. That's 6 right there. This also doesn't count defense-first blueliners like Carlsson, Hillman, Gilbert, and even Dahlstrom and Tuulola.

Also keep in mind Keith and Seabrook may end up retiring as Blackhawks so that is a factor for the timeline of when spots open up. Murphy, too, but he's the easiest of those 3 to trade if need be.

At least Gustafsson and Manning's contracts end after next season, and Rutta and Davidson's this season (unless Stan can trade any of them within the next year for picks).
- AEL_Fox

Ohhh, I thought you meant something with his game. You just mean not playing on the team due to 6-7 spots being filled. Now I got it, thanks.

another problem is cat has shown he Patrick Sharp like: scores in bunches then can't find the net or assists for several games...toews is similar

the only consistent scorer or offensive threat is kane and he can't do it every night...
he is is playing all pp minutes and still this they suck on the PP...
- bogiedoc

Ummmm that is how most scorers operate. Still on pace for 30ish goals again. It isn't a problem that is just the way scoring goes.

Shooting 14.3% He will probably be between 12 and 15 with his release. Maybe 32 maybe 26 goals to close out the year depending on how the puck bounces. Not a guy I'd really worry about. He will get his. Still a 20 year old kid.

As a rule I have problems with secondary stats and find them to be useful only when they are truly contextual which isn’t often or ever. Additionally, the definitions used can make these stats even more useless.

To say that the giving up of 2 goals in the last 3 games is solely because of goaltending is simply wrong.

While Crawford is making saves he is making a certain type of save over and over again, and the reason for this is the new Defensive System. The Defensive System has actually changed drastically and it is not simply due to the zone versus man to man issue. What has changed is that mindless pinching and out of position offensive play by the D-Men has been minimized, almost to the point of irradication. Gus, however, still recently got caught up-ice, fell down, lost the puck with the result being a goal against. However, this type of poor play has become rare, the exception not the rule. Under Ulf’s ludicrous old Defensive System the Hawks gave up odd man breaks against at a staggering rate.

Crawford has not been facing many or any break-aways or odd-man break situations, from game to game. Crawford has also not been facing many or any down low backdoor plays or side to side plays, from game to game. Obviously, Crawford plays no role regarding the type of shots he faces so he cannot be responsible, although he will be the benefactor. Crawford is being allowed to square up to shooters, who are being made to shoot from a certain distance. Crawford himself has mentioned that the team is helping him by keeping things clean and clearing things out. Crawford still has to make these saves, and he has been doing so brilliantly, but the low goals against is a team effort.

Give me any day a Defensive System that is intelligent and minimizes break-aways and odd man breaks, while also protecting the front of the net. I’ll trust Crawford to make all or almost all
the other saves, regardless of how they’re graded.
- Z3Hawk

+30 SOG is unacceptable and unjustifiable in any system. Crawford is playing out of his mind and every hockey player says "oh the team around me is doing great gee doncha know".

That STL game was utterly dreadful but to give up + 30 against the Kings and then get railed by Minnesota is no bueno.

The games this weekend are going to be rough.

Get rid of the Bowmans would be a start.
- GlennL