Hold on....

1+1+1+1....


yep math checks out
- TheMussel

I wish I could understand the way you do. Yost >>>> me.

My point is that in a business where trades are common place you cant ask for more money in case you get traded just because one assumes it may happen.
- systemtool

You can ask for anything you like. And not many guys are in WN's position. He's an elite talent but he's likely the 3rd or 4th best elite talent in the pecking order.

i believe he loves being a Leaf but he's not stupid he knows where he sits in the pecking order and has every right to say I don't want to sign on for 8 years when I don't have to and don't have control.

There's already been grumblings that Matthews and/or Marner might be looking for 5 year deals so that they can control their UFA years.

Tavares did the same ....Stamkos ....WN won't be the first or last guy to maybe prefer a shorter contract.

They do it all the time in other sports.

The difference though is that both Kane and Toews signed bridge deals after their ELC's were up and that allowed us to be able to sign other guys during those smaller contract to keep the Hawks having a deep team. Then after those were up they received their matching contracts they have now. Keith's contract was signed before he hit his prime and was one of the best deals in the league during his prime years. The Seabrook contract was signed after he 30 and was a HUGE mistake that has cost the team...

Point being, having Matthews, Marner, and Nylander might be even better that what Toews, Kane, and whoever else you wanna pick from the past ten years of the Hawks teams, but not having bridge deals for those kids and paying the BIG contracts out right away is going to make the window for having a DEEP team that can compete year in and year out that much shorter.

I hope you guys can find a way to make it work out and win a cup with that core that's been built. It's a fun team to watch.
- Savetheembers33

That will all depend on the salary cap in the next several years.

I have no idea how he hasn't figured this out himself. He isn't going to "win" this one.
- Aetherial

Nylander isn't sitting around wearing a gasmask bong this whole time, barely aware of the world around him.

Both his camp and Dubas' camp probably has at least 3 scenarios or backup plans that they've prepared contingencies for.

Eventually, as options start to run out, they'll converge on a set that becomes reality, and they'll both be somewhat satisfied with the result.

Guys,

If you really want valuable insight into the numbers behind the game, to get a better idea of what is REALLY going on, you can't do better that Travis Yost on TSN.

Here is his latest datamining genius

As if that wasn't revolutionary or shocking enough... here is a breakdown of Edmonton
scoring 5v5

This is astounding.

I know some if these revalations may be a little difficult for some of you to understand. If you need further clarification, I would suggest contacting Tanner directly. I think his is the only intellect towering enough to decipher the complexity of Yost's analyses.
- Aetherial

Travis Yost is possibly having the same issues this guy had...

Exactly.

The last couple years, players want double digits after 2 years. The bridge deal is disappearing.
- Aetherial

Like i said, times are changing. Guys getting paid now for potential as opposed to what they've accomplished.

Very good point. But thats the NHL these days. Younger mans game and players are now getting paid for potential as opposed to accomplishments.
- systemtool

They signed around 26 I believe.

Nylander isn't sitting around wearing a gasmask bong this whole time, barely aware of the world around him.

Both his camp and Dubas' camp probably has at least 3 scenarios or backup plans that they've prepared contingencies for.

Eventually, as options start to run out, they'll converge on a set that becomes reality, and they'll both be somewhat satisfied with the result.
- TheMussel

yeah, I think so also.

Like i said, times are changing. Guys getting paid now for potential as opposed to what they've accomplished.
- systemtool

I'd be pissed off if I was paid according to the job I used to do too.

that's not the point - he's not asking for more money because he might be traded.

the current issue is that nylander is not signing any contract with leafs, until he knows which team he subsequently will be traded to.
- plantheparade

How do you know?
Were you talking to Willy?

How do you know?
Were you talking to Willy?



- Unholy-Goalie

You can talk to my willy any time you want Ho.. I mean, U-G

I'd be pissed off if I was paid according to the job I used to do too.
- TheMussel

'exactly now' is a very small sample size though...

'exactly now' is a very small sample size though...
- 21peter

Depends how much DMT you've taken

A wise man once said:

Look at the madness that goes on, you can’t prove anything that happened yesterday
Now is the only thing that’s real
You can try to prove that Columbus sailed on an ocean
But it’s not the same ocean, it’s a different ocean, it’s a different world

Dubas should announce he is not doing anything, due to Willie refusing the 6.2 mill deal and because people say he has to.

He should take the time from now until the trade deadline and come up with a great trade, or let him sit until next year, which gives Dubbie a ton of time to get the right deal done.

Nylander isn't sitting around wearing a gasmask bong this whole time, barely aware of the world around him.

Both his camp and Dubas' camp probably has at least 3 scenarios or backup plans that they've prepared contingencies for.

Eventually, as options start to run out, they'll converge on a set that becomes reality, and they'll both be somewhat satisfied with the result.
- TheMussel

Preach it. poop always happens for a reason ....nobody is an bumhole or stupid ...it's just business.

Preach it. poop always happens for a reason ....nobody is an bumhole or stupid ...it's just business.
- The Law

But it is the business of winning Cups. Willie not looking at it like that.

And, if your demands are unreasonable, your being a Bumhole Wanker Supreme.

Dubas should announce he is not doing anything, due to Willie refusing the 6.2 mill deal and because people say he has to.

He should take the time from now until the trade deadline and come up with a great trade, or let him sit until next year, which gives Dubbie a ton of time to get the right deal done.
- bixll

Just sit Nylander until 2020-2021 season when Marleau's contract comes of the books.
By then, he'd be happy to sign a 3y deal at 2million

disagree with this - prove of this being the fact that he still hasn't signed a contract yet. (which is as much an issue for the leafs as it is for nylander himself)
- plantheparade

does WN have any other leverage other than not signing a contract to his liking?

I would say no.

IMO this conclude me to think that he has very little leverage other than with holding his services from the Leafs.

Depends how much DMT you've taken

A wise man once said:
- TheMussel

this Columbus fella is overrated anyway - we was there 500 years before

Just sit Nylander until 2020-2021 season when Marleau's contract comes of the books.
By then, he'd be happy to sign a 3y deal at 2million
- plantheparade

To be totally honest, at this time, I couldn't give a (frank) about Willie. I am so over his drama. Hope he is traded.

this Columbus fella is overrated anyway - we was there 500 years before
- 21peter

And, was also not the first to discover North America.

But it is the business of winning Cups. Willie not looking at it like that.
- bixll

I think he is. I think people have 'imagined' a set of facts exists b/c they want to be pissed off at WN and/or Dubas.

WN is great ...and in all likelihood will be back on the ice for the Leafs unless some team jumps in and offers something Dubas can't refuse.

I'm guessing like everyone else but the way it's played out tells me Dubas hasn't put a bridge deal on the table and that's what WN is waiting for. The long term deal wasn't going to work for either side.

To be totally honest, at this time, I couldn't give a (frank) about Willie. I am so over his drama. Hope he is traded.
- bixll

Yes please.

I think he is. I think people have 'imagined' a set of facts exists b/c they want to be pissed off at WN and/or Dubas.

WN is great ...and in all likelihood will be back on the ice for the Leafs unless some team jumps in a offers something Dubas can't refuse.

I'm guessing like everyone else but the ways it's played out tells me Dubas hasn't put a bridge deal on the table and that's what WN is waiting for. The long term deal wasn't going to work for either side.
- The Law

Even the guys on TSN are saying how painful this has become.

To be totally honest, at this time, I couldn't give a (frank) about Willie. I am so over his drama. Hope he is traded.
- bixll

I hope as well - but I was never a big Nylander fan.
He's a floater that profited hugely from playing on Matthews' wing.