Legit in the people who think he's a generational goaltending talent that will translate to the NHL in the next two-three years.

For what it's worth I think they need to address the issues in net now and if Hart pans out, great. That's a better problem to have then where the goaltending is now.
- hereticpride

I've been a Hextall supporter throughout his tenure, but it's 100% on Hextall for not addressing the goaltending this offseason. Everyone and their mother knows that Neuvirth is an injury waiting to happen. Elliott was coming off of offseason hip surgery and isn't getting any younger, so he's not going to give you 55-60 quality games.

I know that there wasn't a top-5 goalie available this offseason, but there were upgrades. Grubuaer could be had for a second-round pick if you took Orpik as well, and then bought Orpik out like Colorado did. Carter Hutton was a UFA who has some upside.

Again, neither of these goalies are world-beaters who would make this team a contender. What they would offer is some more stability and reliability in net. Now, granted, you'd probably have to give a bit more to Washinton for them to trade in-division, and you may have to overpay a bit in FA to beat out everyone for Hutton. However, if they'd done either of these moves, rolled with Elliott at the 1B/2, and then just bought out Neuvirth, I'd have felt much more comfortable with their current set-up.

This is the biggest reason I can't say the players have bought into Hakstol's system.
- dragonoffrost

I don't think the attention to detail is linked to systems. It would be the same for any system under any coach.

Vegas players were also motivated by their old teams letting them be selected during expansion draft and they fully bought into Gallant's system.

Has this team fully bought into Hakstol's system? I can't say they have.
- dragonoffrost

Kind of like a company. An employee keeps showing up to work late, no one knows what the manager says to them, but they keep showing up late. Now other employees start to show up late to work and the numbers are down.

The VP asks the manager why there are issues. Manager says "I don't have the right people". So the company hires some new people and they start to show up late and numbers are still down.

I guess you have to fire all employees then right? Maybe you need to have casual Friday to motivate them?

One employee is easy to deal with, many employees that manager has to go.

The Flyers didn't magically become un-snake bitten with a comeback in the 3rd. So they obviously have good players. So either trade the whole team or get a new manager that can fix the employees. One new player isn't going to change the team.

I've been a Hextall supporter throughout his tenure, but it's 100% on Hextall for not addressing the goaltending this offseason. Everyone and their mother knows that Neuvirth is an injury waiting to happen. Elliott was coming off of offseason hip surgery and isn't getting any younger, so he's not going to give you 55-60 quality games.

I know that there wasn't a top-5 goalie available this offseason, but there were upgrades. Grubuaer could be had for a second-round pick if you took Orpik as well, and then bought Orpik out like Colorado did. Carter Hutton was a UFA who has some upside.

Again, neither of these goalies are world-beaters who would make this team a contender. What they would offer is some more stability and reliability in net. Now, granted, you'd probably have to give a bit more to Washinton for them to trade in-division, and you may have to overpay a bit in FA to beat out everyone for Hutton. However, if they'd done either of these moves, rolled with Elliott at the 1B/2, and then just bought out Neuvirth, I'd have felt much more comfortable with their current set-up.
- jmatchett383

Depending on where they are at the deadline (and where we are for that matter), I'd like to see what it would take to get Crawford out of Chicago

Kind of like a company. An employee keeps showing up to work late, no one knows what the manager says to them, but they keep showing up late. Now other employees start to show up late to work and the numbers are down.

The VP asks the manager why there are issues. Manager says "I don't have the right people". So the company hires some new people and they start to show up late and numbers are still down.

I guess you have to fire all employees then right? Maybe you need to have casual Friday to motivate them?

One employee is easy to deal with, many employees that manager has to go.

The Flyers didn't magically become un-snake bitten with a comeback in the 3rd. So they obviously have good players. So either trade the whole team or get a new manager that can fix the employees. One new player isn't going to change the team.
- Glak18

Or figure out the bad apple and send them packing as a warning to the rest to ship up.

I don't want anything to do with Quick, he's a major primadonna. He couldn't handle the defense being soft the way it is now.

Also he's 32, just went through surgery and has 5 more years on his contract.

I've been a Hextall supporter throughout his tenure, but it's 100% on Hextall for not addressing the goaltending this offseason. Everyone and their mother knows that Neuvirth is an injury waiting to happen. Elliott was coming off of offseason hip surgery and isn't getting any younger, so he's not going to give you 55-60 quality games.

I know that there wasn't a top-5 goalie available this offseason, but there were upgrades. Grubuaer could be had for a second-round pick if you took Orpik as well, and then bought Orpik out like Colorado did. Carter Hutton was a UFA who has some upside.

Again, neither of these goalies are world-beaters who would make this team a contender. What they would offer is some more stability and reliability in net. Now, granted, you'd probably have to give a bit more to Washinton for them to trade in-division, and you may have to overpay a bit in FA to beat out everyone for Hutton. However, if they'd done either of these moves, rolled with Elliott at the 1B/2, and then just bought out Neuvirth, I'd have felt much more comfortable with their current set-up.
- jmatchett383

I don't want the Flyers taking on a buyout player just to get a short term stop gap goaltender. Rather go with what they have.

Quick is under contract til 2023. This is where the "wait and see what Hart is" angle becomes tricky.

If Hart is legit you don't want to be tied to Quick for that long. But if Hart doesn't pan out that's the kind of trade I'd be looking to right now to solve the continuous issues in net.
- hereticpride

Quick is English for Neuvirth

Quick is English for Neuvirth
- KINGKENZO

http://www.sevenreflectio...name-numerology/neuvirth/

" You have an ability to avoid trouble

Or figure out the bad apple and send them packing as a warning to the rest to ship up.
- dragonoffrost

Fear is always the best tactic because people tend "ship up" right after and never go back to their bad habits again..nooooooo never. (That was my silly sarcasm).

Actually the most unproductive employees tend to be when there is fear of layoffs. You would think it would be the opposite, but it's not.

I don't want anything to do with Quick, he's a major primadonna. He couldn't handle the defense being soft the way it is now.

Also he's 32, just went through surgery and has 5 more years on his contract.
- Doctor DOOM

Not many choices available though. I mean who are the best goalies in the league...ok cross them off the list because no is trading them. Now the Flyers could trade for a backup who they think can be a starter in the NHL, but been there, done that. That is pretty much every goalie the Flyers have. Flyers don't want a goaltender who is a dumpster fire, they can find them on waivers, so cross them off the list. They could go after a good goalie who is older or has injury issues, but you said no to them.

Who is left?





Answer: Steve Mason....ugh.

I don't want the Flyers taking on a buyout player just to get a short term stop gap goaltender. Rather go with what they have.
- MJL

I don't like this cycle. Every year we get closer to getting rid of more salary cap dumps, bad signings or players with diminished performance and some fans want to add more. I don't get it.

I've been a Hextall supporter throughout his tenure, but it's 100% on Hextall for not addressing the goaltending this offseason. Everyone and their mother knows that Neuvirth is an injury waiting to happen. Elliott was coming off of offseason hip surgery and isn't getting any younger, so he's not going to give you 55-60 quality games.

I know that there wasn't a top-5 goalie available this offseason, but there were upgrades. Grubuaer could be had for a second-round pick if you took Orpik as well, and then bought Orpik out like Colorado did. Carter Hutton was a UFA who has some upside.

Again, neither of these goalies are world-beaters who would make this team a contender. What they would offer is some more stability and reliability in net. Now, granted, you'd probably have to give a bit more to Washinton for them to trade in-division, and you may have to overpay a bit in FA to beat out everyone for Hutton. However, if they'd done either of these moves, rolled with Elliott at the 1B/2, and then just bought out Neuvirth, I'd have felt much more comfortable with their current set-up.
- jmatchett383

I agree with all of this. Hextall is definitely on the hook for the the Flyers carousel in net this year.

For me this all comes back to the attempt to "stay competitive while retooling" approach which we all know is a having your cake and eating it too approach to a rebuild. If you don't want to commit to a goalie and wait to see what Hart is fine. But then why keep G, Jake and Simmonds on a roster during all that time, let alone go out and sign JVR. Their blueprint/timeline for the goaltending just doesn't match up with the rest of the team at all. Targeting cheap goalies with injury histories and thinkinh that is good enough is just not fair to those guys who all are in their prime now.

Not many choices available though. I mean who are the best goalies in the league...ok cross them off the list because no is trading them. Now the Flyers could trade for a backup who they think can be a starter in the NHL, but been there, done that. That is pretty much every goalie the Flyers have. Flyers don't want a goaltender who is a dumpster fire, they can find them on waivers, so cross them off the list. They could go after a good goalie who is older or has injury issues, but you said no to them.

Who is left?

Answer: Steve Mason....ugh.
- Glak18

I don't have an answer for that, not sure who is available on the trade block. All I know is it shouldn't be Quick.

I'm ok with staying with Elliott. If the team tightened up in front they would be in good shape. Elliott has a .911 save percentage with .905 being league average.

Not many choices available though. I mean who are the best goalies in the league...ok cross them off the list because no is trading them. Now the Flyers could trade for a backup who they think can be a starter in the NHL, but been there, done that. That is pretty much every goalie the Flyers have. Flyers don't want a goaltender who is a dumpster fire, they can find them on waivers, so cross them off the list. They could go after a good goalie who is older or has injury issues, but you said no to them.

Who is left?





Answer: Steve Mason....ugh.
- Glak18

Corey Crawford.

Corey Crawford.
- ClaudeFather

I don't love him but we're obviously in no position to be picky.

Only one more year left on his deal. Would the Hawks move him though? Do they have someone ready to replace him?

I don't love him but we're obviously in no position to be picky.

Only one more year left on his deal. Would the Hawks move him though? Do they have someone ready to replace him?
- hereticpride

I think it all depends on how their next 2 months plays out. I could see them selling. He's not getting any younger.

I think it all depends on how their next 2 months plays out. I could see them selling. He's not getting any younger.
- ClaudeFather

True. Craig Anderson could also be another possible option although he's really up their in age at this point.

Corey Crawford.
- ClaudeFather

Better than what we have, but still lacks the confidence to yell to the world "We finally have an answer in goal".

True. Craig Anderson could also be another possible option although he's really up their in age at this point.
- hereticpride

Yea, he's up there. I want to see Lyon get a few starts here.

I agree with all of this. Hextall is definitely on the hook for the the Flyers carousel in net this year.

For me this all comes back to the attempt to "stay competitive while retooling" approach which we all know is a having your cake and eating it too approach to a rebuild. If you don't want to commit to a goalie and wait to see what Hart is fine. But then why keep G, Jake and Simmonds on a roster during all that time, let alone go out and sign JVR. Their blueprint/timeline for the goaltending just doesn't match up with the rest of the team at all. Targeting cheap goalies with injury histories and thinkinh that is good enough is just not fair to those guys who all are in their prime now.
- hereticpride

I don't get this at all. Just cliches. There is no reason why a team can't remain and try to be competitive while adopting a draft and develop philosophy to team building. Want a surefire way to guarantee that your young players won't develop? Play them in the NHL in larger roles than their capable of without veteran support in a losing environment. Elliott played 3 straight seasons of 40+ games before coming to the Flyers and he also did last season. I think he will again this season. I think there is too much panic going on.

I don't get this at all. Just cliches. There is no reason why a team can't remain and try to be competitive while adopting a draft and develop philosophy to team building. Want a surefire way to guarantee that your young players won't develop? Play them in the NHL in larger roles than their capable of without veteran support in a losing environment. Elliott played 3 straight seasons of 40+ games before coming to the Flyers and he also did last season. I think he will again this season. I think there is too much panic going on.
- MJL

I think going into a season with two injury prone goalies and high end talent in G, Jake, Simmonds, Ghost, Provy, JVR is almost a slap in the face to those guys. Basically saying, good luck i hope this works. Go get a guy and let these guys know you believe in them.

I don't have an answer for that, not sure who is available on the trade block. All I know is it shouldn't be Quick.

I'm ok with staying with Elliott. If the team tightened up in front they would be in good shape. Elliott has a .911 save percentage with .905 being league average.
- Doctor DOOM

Eliott's ES save percentage is .931. Among the better goaltenders in the league. Imagine if the Flyers tighten up defensively and manage the puck better.

I think going into a season with two injury prone goalies and high end talent in G, Jake, Simmonds, Ghost, Provy, JVR is almost a slap in the face to those guys. Basically saying, good luck i hope this works. Go get a guy and let these guys know you believe in them.
- ClaudeFather

I don't see Elliott as injury prone coming into the season. Elliott is fine. Neuvirth is what it is. Give Lyon some games if you have to. I don't agree that it's a slap in the face at all.

I don't see Elliott as injury prone coming into the season. Elliott is fine. Neuvirth is what it is. Give Lyon some games if you have to. I don't agree that it's a slap in the face at all.
- MJL

Even if Elliott is able to start 50 games, which would be the most one could optimistically expect, who is starting the other 32? Neuvirth? Good luck with that. Pickard, Lyon? Maybe they work out, but it’s risky.

I don’t want them to expend major assets for a goalie, but if at some point, you can acquire a legit NHL goalie for something like a 3rd round pick, you do it.