It's just ridiculous to think Carter is worth that at this point.
- opeth_pa

I would be quite angry if they traded Konecny, a prospect and a draft pick for Carter

G lays a big hit but, a bit late hit goes to box
Buff up 1-0.
Not good strategy when 1-3 pks result in a goal for other team.
- Konalover

The key is timing it right. Come on you all expect the worst anymore. It can be done and done right.

I would be quite angry if they traded Konecny, a prospect and a draft pick for Carter
- nastyflyergirl

yup

I would be quite angry if they traded Konecny, a prospect and a draft pick for Carter
- nastyflyergirl

That would be torches and pitchforks time

The key is timing it right. Come on you all expect the worst anymore. It can be done and done right.
- dragonoffrost

I agree I'd even take a well timed fight...first of the year.
I harken to the days when the Blues beat the sh!t out of us and our Owner vowed never to be walked on ever again. So much for that philosophy in a galaxy far far away.

I agree I'd even take a well timed fight...first of the year.
I harken to the days when the Blues beat the sh!t out of us and our Owner vowed never to be walked on ever again. So much for that philosophy in a galaxy far far away.
- Konalover

I want it at puck drop, first shift. That will help with the slow starts. G needs to do what he did that playoff game tell. Hak I want the first shift tonight and go out and set a tone. If he saw the response after the hitting started Saturday it makes sense to lead the team to do that at the start next game.

Tomato
Tomaatoe.

It's still insane that we have dropped 7% points on the PK v last year already
and yet nothing has changed,
continuing that all is good.
- Konalover

No it's not tomato, tomatoe. It's not even close to that. The things that really need to change are not going to automatically change with a new coach.

I agree I'd even take a well timed fight...first of the year.
I harken to the days when the Blues beat the sh!t out of us and our Owner vowed never to be walked on ever again. So much for that philosophy in a galaxy far far away.
- Konalover

This idea is the equivalency of fans yelling "hit somebody" or "shoot" on the PP.

I would be quite angry if they traded Konecny, a prospect and a draft pick for Carter
- nastyflyergirl

He'll be 34 in just over a month. A trade like that would never go down. Probably not with a trigger happy GM and def not with Hextall.

At most Carter would get someone like Laughton, not TK. And it wouldn't be from us. It'd be from a team in all around good shape gearing up for along playoff run.

He'll be 34 in just over a month. A trade like that would never go down. Probably not with a trigger happy GM and def not with Hextall.

At most Carter would get someone like Laughton, not TK. And it wouldn't be from us. It'd be from a team in all around good shape gearing up for along playoff run.
- hereticpride

you're undervaluing Carter

He would easily fetch a player like TK

No it's not tomato, tomatoe. It's not even close to that. The things that really need to change are not going to automatically change with a new coach.
- MJL

Possibly not, but when the same coach is in place for a PK that finishes near the bottom for 4 straight seasons, the coach is where you have to start.

Lets start Lyons the next two weeks.

you're undervaluing Carter

He would easily fetch a player like TK
- Doctor DOOM

Any GM that moves TK + for Carter should be fired on the spot.

you're undervaluing Carter

He would easily fetch a player like TK
- Doctor DOOM

At 34 I honestly doubt it.

Think about it. If your team is geared up to win now that you would even consider trading for Carter then why would you trade away a piece of that team as big as TK?

Any GM that moves TK + for Carter should be fired on the spot.
- opeth_pa

It's like Coburn for Zhitnik honestly.

It's like Coburn for Zhitnik honestly.
- hereticpride

I was thinking more Erat for Forsberg

Possibly not, but when the same coach is in place for a PK that finishes near the bottom for 4 straight seasons, the coach is where you have to start.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm not at all against that idea. I just know that's not the miracle core. Above all, I'm interested in real change. Real change happens on the ice. In order for real change to happen, players are going to have to correct the mistakes made and execute the same plays that will be part of any PK system installed. As well as overcome the mental hurdles. That's one are where I think a new voice can help.

Lets start Lyons the next two weeks.
- atlasgibbs

who's Lyons?

Any GM that moves TK + for Carter should be fired on the spot.
- opeth_pa

If you're one player away and that could give you a legitimate chance at a Cup, I think most GM's would make a deal like that.

I was thinking more Erat for Forsberg
- J35Bacher

That probably works a lot better but I'm stuff in Flyers mode over here.

The PK has changed systems and personnel under Lappy. Still time for him to go though.
- Doctor DOOM

Hexy won't fire Lappy because Hexy knows he did not get the PK guy he wanted in the off season. The team does not have guys that willingly and adequately fill that role...Can't make chicken salad with chicken poop...hexy knows it and unless Hexy feels his job is in jeopardy I don't think he hangs this only on Lappy, not this year anyway...if the team does not commit to PK (and foregoes work in other areas that really need it) with the players they have it will still stink

I'm not at all against that idea. I just know that's not the miracle core. Above all, I'm interested in real change. Real change happens on the ice. In order for real change to happen, players are going to have to correct the mistakes made and execute the same plays that will be part of any PK system installed. As well as overcome the mental hurdles. That's one are where I think a new voice can help.
- MJL

lots to fix on PK, my #1 is the D coverage, seems they zig when they should zag on the regular, that is not coaching that is reading the play, though they need to changed the coach for a fresh start. I know it is the forwards also but I am more disappointed with the D this season so far.

Hextall's a better man than me. He is. Because I'd have fired and traded my way to a PK that isn't the abomination that it is

I sit there sometimes and watch it, and then I watch other teams-- not even the best teams on the kill, even just average ones -- and you just wonder HTF nobody's gotten fired or traded to address this
- AllInForFlyers

Can you trade away garbage nobody wants? Lehtera was a throw in or a throw away.

If you're one player away and that could give you a legitimate chance at a Cup, I think most GM's would make a deal like that.
- MJL

Agreed. Was Carter for Voracek and a first round pick a ridiculous trade? Voracek was way more established an NHLer at the time than Konecny is now.

If you're one player away and that could give you a legitimate chance at a Cup, I think most GM's would make a deal like that.
- MJL

TK + prospect + pick is the deal that was discussed.
Maybe if you are exactly 1 player away that deal makes sense as you mentioned but even then I dunno..

Just not a fan of giving up that much for a 34 year old player.