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landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 10:38 AM ET
Your continued attempts to demean those who think differently than you, are quite frankly pathetic.
- flyer_nutter


Why even respond? His continued drivel has been proven wrong far more often then he’s been correct. Consider the source.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 17 @ 10:39 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/17/18 vs. TB
- bmeltzer


Gonna get smoked like a Philly Blunt
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 17 @ 10:41 AM ET
Stay the course of missing the playoffs/first round exits! They are right on pace.
Sorry, GM's don't get 7 or (frank)ing 8 years of this poop without showing improvement.

It's more of the same this year, team is going nowhere yet again.

For all the future is bright lap dogs, who is the goalie next year? If you can't answer that question what makes next year any different?

- PLindbergh31


I’m not there yet....but I have to admit I was hoping for a bit more this year.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 17 @ 10:41 AM ET
No, I'm not wrong. A buyout is the wrong move. It's November and the season is long. The next step is going to come from the development pace of players like Patrick, Linblom, Konecny, and Sanheim. As long as they get average NHL goaltending and they continue to get better as a team defensively, they'll be fine. I ant the cap pictue as clear as possible for when they get to the point where they want to make that one big move, they can. I know next year won't be that but don't buy out a player unless its absolutely necessary. Nothing to do with the company line although I do completely agree with Hextall's patience and the draft and develop approach.
- MJL


Having a legitimate, healthy NHL goalie instead of Neuvirth would much give you a much better chance of getting the "average goaltending" you are hoping for. Also, Hextall clearly said in the offseason that this is the year he expects the team to take the next step. Since they lost in the first round last year, the next step would have to be winning a playoff round. Rarely, do teams have a lot of playoff success with "average NHL goaltending". Sorry, you're still wrong. It's cool, I don't expect you to agree with me.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 17 @ 10:41 AM ET
I very much doubt he's looking to sign Bob who will looking for a long term deal. Face it, coming back this season with Neuvirth as one of the goalies for a team that's expected to be a playoff team and have the ability to win a round was a mistake. There is no way around that.
- BiggE


That is where you are wrong. BOb longterm makes sense because Carter Hart needs time. He needs time in the AHL to develop and he needs time in the NHL as a backup. Bob is a #1 goalie and he is a guarantee. Hart is not.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 17 @ 10:41 AM ET
LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 17 @ 10:42 AM ET

- BiggE


I miss those chants in better times. Will happen one day again.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 17 @ 10:42 AM ET
That is where you are wrong. BOb longterm makes sense because Carter Hart needs time. He needs time in the AHL to develop and he needs time in the NHL as a backup. Bob is a #1 goalie and he is a guarantee. Hart is not.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


When Hextall goes out and signs Bob to a big dollar 5-6 year deal, I gladly admit I was wrong. I'm not holding my breath though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 10:43 AM ET
That is where you are wrong. BOb longterm makes sense because Carter Hart needs time. He needs time in the AHL to develop and he needs time in the NHL as a backup. Bob is a #1 goalie and he is a guarantee. Hart is not.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


No it doesn't. Bobrovsky is going to get a 7 year deal for big money as a UFA if he goes that route. If you sign Bobrovsky, might as well trade Hart.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 17 @ 10:45 AM ET
Stay the course of missing the playoffs/first round exits! They are right on pace.
Sorry, GM's don't get 7 or (frank)ing 8 years of this poop without showing improvement.

It's more of the same this year, team is going nowhere yet again.

For all the future is bright lap dogs, who is the goalie next year? If you can't answer that question what makes next year any different?

- PLindbergh31


How the team plays now has no hold on their playoff performance unless they fail to make it which I dont believe will be the case. All it takes is to get hot at the right time. 2010 Flyers were a garbage team but they got within two wins of a Stanley Cup. A team that barely made the playoffs. LA did the same thing and won the cup. Regular season means nothing. You just have to get hot at the right time, hope you stay healthy and you can go far. From the looks of it Flyers might not have to play Pittsbugh either.
landros 2
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Nov 17 @ 10:46 AM ET
I very much doubt he's looking to sign Bob who will looking for a long term deal. Face it, coming back this season with Neuvirth as one of the goalies for a team that's expected to be a playoff team and have the ability to win a round was a mistake. There is no way around that.
- BiggE



Nobody can possibly argue that the goaltending situation and hows it’s been handled has worked or that it shouldn’t be re thought out. I don’t think it’s from lack of trying....they have like 15 goalies don’t they? I’m not sure it matters now with Nuevy, but yes I thought it was very risky when they announced the plan....turns out it didn’t work.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 17 @ 10:47 AM ET
Moose was great for us the last half dozen games. Bad timing
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 17 @ 10:47 AM ET
Stay the course of missing the playoffs/first round exits! They are right on pace.
Sorry, GM's don't get 7 or (frank)ing 8 years of this poop without showing improvement.

It's more of the same this year, team is going nowhere yet again.

For all the future is bright lap dogs, who is the goalie next year? If you can't answer that question what makes next year any different?

- PLindbergh31



Kick the tires on Crawford and Lundquist.

See what the asking prices are. They both should be good for another 2 years and still be around to mentor Hart.


xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 17 @ 10:48 AM ET
No it doesn't. Bobrovsky is going to get a 7 year deal for big money as a UFA if he goes that route. If you sign Bobrovsky, might as well trade Hart.
- MJL


So? 7 Yeas at big money. Doesnt mean the deal cant be frontloaded or he cant be traded late into his term like maybe year 5 or 6. Hell maybe they offer him more money to take shorter term. There are always options. Again it doesnt have to be Bob. There are still a lot of other guys out there.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
When Hextall goes out and signs Bob to a big dollar 5-6 year deal, I gladly admit I was wrong. I'm not holding my breath though.
- BiggE



Bob scares me. The impressions I have of Bob, right or wrong, is when the lights are shinning the brightest, he leaves a little something to desire.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
So? 7 Yeas at big money. Doesnt mean the deal cant be frontloaded or he cant be traded late into his term like maybe year 5 or 6. Hell maybe they offer him more money to take shorter term. There are always options. Again it doesnt have to be Bob. There are still a lot of other guys out there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


The Flyers have Hart and Sandstrom as goalie prospects. If they could get Bobrovsky to sign for 3 years, I'd be interested. There are limits now to front loading that have changed. Cap hit is still a factor.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 10:51 AM ET
Bob scares me. The impressions I have of Bob, right or wrong, is when the lights are shinning the brightest, he leaves a little something to desire.
- ggunky


Not exactly proven as a big game performer.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 17 @ 10:51 AM ET
Moose was great for us the last half dozen games. Bad timing
- bulet13


Exactly, looked to me like a groin pull. I pulled mine once, really not sure what happened. Sort of won the injury lottery that time. Pulled my groin and another muscle in that same leg. I could barely put weight on it. I didnt do anything special to cause that either I was just running like I always do. Poop happens.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 17 @ 10:52 AM ET
So the goaltending tandem that were injured unreliable last year are proving to be more of the same this year. Color me shocked.

How bout this GM get off his (frank)ing ass and make a move for a reliable goaltender.
A Pickard/Lyon tandem ain't gonna cut it.

Need an update on the savior Carter Hart. How's he doing? NHL ready yet?

- PLindbergh31



this comment is both ignorant and stupid. sorry but it is. want to slam hextall for the Elliott/Neuvirth/Pickard situation, sure that is valid. but the last comment not so much
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
The Flyers have Hart and Sandstrom as goalie prospects. If they could get Bobrovsky to sign for 3 years, I'd be interested. There are limits now to front loading that have changed. Cap hit is still a factor.
- MJL


I'd want at least 5 years. I dont think Hart will be ready before that plus you have to be prepared for the event that he doesnt live up to expectations..
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
That is where you are wrong. BOb longterm makes sense because Carter Hart needs time. He needs time in the AHL to develop and he needs time in the NHL as a backup. Bob is a #1 goalie and he is a guarantee. Hart is not.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Well if you need to sign him....it’s probably 7 years....maybe he bites a 5....will have to see what the goaltending market looks like....your probably hoping he can give you 4 great years...to get you to the Hart era. From what Hextall has done up till now I’m thinking he’s hoping Hart is ready sooner.

It would be quite a change in the direction to sign Bob.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
I’ve been told fans who don’t blindly cheer are part of the problem.

I personally hope they get destroyed today. Force Hextall’s limp hand, and maybe some of the deplorable fake fans might question them at the carnival.

This has been embarrassing long enough. Passive, perimeter, boring, and safe play.

Raise the standards, these are not the Flyers we all grew to love. Burn baby burn.

- flyer_nutter

I'm not in full on tear it down mode but I do think complacency and not setting higher standards are sneaking into this franchise.

Regarding Hart, I'm not worried about him at all. But I do seriously question not addressing the current goaltending situation because he might be something in a few years. Ultimately I just think he's too young to make a real impact before guys like G, Jake and Simmonds will start to decline. If we're going to keep those guys we owe it to them to have some form of stability in net.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
I've pretty much made up my mind now, Flyers could win 10-2 today...I want a new coaching staff now, not 2-3 years from now.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
1. I don't know why wveryone is panicking after the devils game. The way they played is not cause for alarm. They were far superior in every facet of the game except maybe puck luck. Earlier in the year was different because they were playing poorly and not getting results. If they play like they did against the devs every day, they will win those games 9/10

2. Hakstol has shown a willingness to change his lineups this year and bench veterans during games when he thinks they aren't playing well. Gotta give him some credit there

3. The flyers are a good 5 on 5 team. Just gotta fix the PP and honestly we could easily be a top 8 team. PK is gonna take a systemic and maybe player overhaul so don't waste your breath

4. There are 60+ games left. Relax

5. Moose getting hurt right now is terrible. He was playing the best stretch of hockey he had in orange and black. Hopefully the injury isn't bad and he comes back and plays like he was before
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
I agree with Hextall on not buying out Neuvirth. Avoid buyouts. Get through the season and move on from him.
- MJL



esp being they have the cap space to bury him or carry 3 goalies if they need. no reason to have dead cap space even if its not a large amount.
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