I’ve been told fans who don’t blindly cheer are part of the problem.

I personally hope they get destroyed today. Force Hextall’s limp hand, and maybe some of the deplorable fake fans might question them at the carnival.

This has been embarrassing long enough. Passive, perimeter and safe play.

Raise the standards, these are the Flyers.
- flyer_nutter

Here's the thing, even if they get smoked today, do you really think that force Hextall to make an immediate move?

I don't

Here's the thing, even if they get smoked today, do you really think that force Hextall to make an immediate move?

I don't
- BiggE

Very fair.

I would wonder what it takes? Another 10 gamer?

Arguably the best goalie in the league, Pekka Rinne, spent 3 seasons in the AHL before becoming an NHL regular. It takes time.

The expectations around here can just be flat out ridiculous. I would think the natural progression for Hart optimally would be something like:

18-19: Gets acclimated to the pro game in LHV, improves as the season goes on and is the clear cut #1 in the AHL playoffs

19-20: Is a top goalie in the AHL and the first guy called up if someone gets hurt or struggles with the Flyers

20-21: Rookie NHL season, pairs with a vet in a 1/1A tandem. As he acclimates to the speed of the NHL game, he takes over the #1 spot down the stretch

21-22: Clear cut #1 NHL goalie

This is why I was really frustrated that Hextall didn't buyout Neuvirth in June and instead went the UFA route to bring in someone to pair with Elliott. There were options, especially considering the cap room the Flyers had. Cam Ward signed a one year, 3 million deal in Chicago, the Flyers could have offered 3.5 and still be well under the cap. Better yet, Halak signed a 2 year deal for 2.75 per in Boston, the Flyers could have easily afforded to go 2 years at 3 or even 3.25 to out bid the Bs and sign Halak

These guy may not be better than Neuvirth, but at least they can get through a game without falling apart and they are legit experienced NHL goalies who would have paired nicely with Elliott.

Hextall really screwed the pooch on this one. It's 100% on him.
- BiggE

Yup....let’s hope Hart progression goes this way.....and your right about the GM...he needs to re-think this bridge to Hart. Plan A has not worked.

I’ve been told fans who don’t blindly cheer are part of the problem.

I personally hope they get destroyed today. Force Hextall’s limp hand, and maybe some of the deplorable fake fans might question them at the carnival.

This has been embarrassing long enough. Passive, perimeter, boring, and safe play.

Raise the standards, these are not the Flyers we all grew to love. Burn baby burn.
- flyer_nutter

There is a huge difference between blindly cheering and wanting to see the team succeed. Wanting the team to fail is not why we are fans. It is the opposite of being a fan. It is not too much to ask for fans to have the teams back. This team was far more successful when the fans engaged them positively, instead all we see is negativity and negativity never helps, it just makes thing worse. A player's confidence is his strongest weapon and his kryptonite.

Here's the thing, even if they get smoked today, do you really think that force Hextall to make an immediate move?

I don't
- BiggE

No....I also think he may want to see what JVR addition does for a set time period....then maybe He might relent and really have to take a hard look if this team continues this jeckle and Hyde routine.

The expectations around here can just be flat out ridiculous. I would think the natural progression for Hart optimally would be something like:

18-19: Gets acclimated to the pro game in LHV, improves as the season goes on and is the clear cut #1 in the AHL playoffs

19-20: Is a top goalie in the AHL and the first guy called up if someone gets hurt or struggles with the Flyers

20-21: Rookie NHL season, pairs with a vet in a 1/1A tandem. As he acclimates to the speed of the NHL game, he takes over the #1 spot down the stretch

21-22: Clear cut #1 NHL goalie

This is why I was really frustrated that Hextall didn't buyout Neuvirth in June and instead went the UFA route to bring in someone to pair with Elliott. There were options, especially considering the cap room the Flyers had. Cam Ward signed a one year, 3 million deal in Chicago, the Flyers could have offered 3.5 and still be well under the cap. Better yet, Halak signed a 2 year deal for 2.75 per in Boston, the Flyers could have easily afforded to go 2 years at 3 or even 3.25 to out bid the Bs and sign Halak

These guy may not be better than Neuvirth, but at least they can get through a game without falling apart and they are legit experienced NHL goalies who would have paired nicely with Elliott.

Hextall really screwed the pooch on this one. It's 100% on him.
- BiggE

I agree with Hextall on not buying out Neuvirth. Avoid buyouts. Get through the season and move on from him.

There is a huge difference between blindly cheering and wanting to see the team succeed. Wanting the team to fail is not why we are fans. It is the opposite of being a fan. It is not too much to ask for fans to have the teams back. This team was far more successful when the fans engaged them positively, instead all we see is negativity and negativity never helps, it just makes thing worse. A player's confidence is his stongest weapon and his kryptonite.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No worries with me. I expect a win today because for the most part they have shown an ability to rebound a bit.

I’m not going to engage with you debating what makes a fan a better one, or a worse one. I expect a hell of a lot more than what we have seen. Hextall seems opposed to making a change. Force it on him.

Arguably the best goalie in the league, Pekka Rinne, spent 3 seasons in the AHL before becoming an NHL regular. It takes time.
- MJL

Braden Holtby was also in the AHL for a fairly long period of time also.

People shouldn't be letting Carter Hart's junior resume influence how he should be developed. Carter Hart is right where he needs to be.

Very fair.

I would wonder what it takes? Another 10 gamer?
- flyer_nutter

There are a .500 club....it could go either way. Another 10 gamer and they are finished.

I’ve been told fans who don’t blindly cheer are part of the problem.

I personally hope they get destroyed today. Force Hextall’s limp hand, and maybe some of the deplorable fake fans might question them at the carnival.

This has been embarrassing long enough. Passive, perimeter, boring, and safe play.

Raise the standards, these are not the Flyers we all grew to love. Burn baby burn.
- flyer_nutter

Personally hoping the team gets destroyed is ridiculously lame. Even if that happens, that won't force Hextall. Why, because he knows better than you do. He knows it's a process and things are not nearly as bad as the Drama fans make it out to be. The same fans that are crying for Hextall to start trading are the same ones who complained under Holmgren that the Flyers weren't drafting well and making too many trades. Don't trade just to trade, make the right moves when they present themselves. This season is about competing and continuing the growth and development of the young players. Stay the course.

No worries with me. I expect a win today because for the most part they have shown an ability to rebound a bit.

I’m not going to engage with you debating what makes a fan a better one, or a worse one. I expect a hell of a lot more than what we have seen. Hextall seems opposed to making a change. Force it on him.
- flyer_nutter

Stating that Hextall seems opposed to making a change is ridiculously asinine. When he became GM, he completely changed course and changed how the team is run. He completely turned over the roster. He has made a ton of changes. Are you actually paying attention?

Personally hoping the team gets destroyed is ridiculously lame. Even if that happens, that won't force Hextall. Why, because he knows better than you do. He knows it's a process and things are not nearly as bad as the Drama fans make it out to be. The same fans that are crying for Hextall to start trading are the same ones who complained under Holmgren that the Flyers weren't drafting well and making too many trades. Don't trade just to trade, make the right moves when they present themselves. This season is about competing and continuing the growth and development of the young players. Stay the course.
- MJL

Your continued attempts to demean those who think differently than you, are quite frankly pathetic.

I agree with Hextall on not buying out Neuvirth. Avoid buyouts. Get through the season and move on from him.
- MJL

Sorry, I know you rarely disagree with the company line, but you are just flat out wrong here. Going into a season in which you expect your team to take the next step with a goal tandem of a guy coming off a serious injury and another who may just be the most injury prone player in the NHL is just poor management. A buyout of Neuvirth would have been a drop in the bucket with the amount of cap room they have this year and it would not have impeded anything they were likely going to do next year either. You are flat out wrong.

Personally hoping the team gets destroyed is ridiculously lame. Even if that happens, that won't force Hextall. Why, because he knows better than you do. He knows it's a process and things are not nearly as bad as the Drama fans make it out to be. The same fans that are crying for Hextall to start trading are the same ones who complained under Holmgren that the Flyers weren't drafting well and making too many trades. Don't trade just to trade, make the right moves when they present themselves. This season is about competing and continuing the growth and development of the young players. Stay the course.
- MJL

Process

No worries with me. I expect a win today because for the most part they have shown an ability to rebound a bit.

I’m not going to engage with you debating what makes a fan a better one, or a worse one. I expect a hell of a lot more than what we have seen. Hextall seems opposed to making a change. Force it on him.
- flyer_nutter

We dont need a change. We need time. This team has skill. The at least half if not more of this team is youth. Right now we need secondary and 3rd line support. If Giroux or Voracek arent scoring the team doesnt. Plain and simple and that isnt good.

NoPa, Lindblom, Konecny are young guys in their 1st and 2nd seasons in the NHL. They have been put into a position they arent ready for IMO. They have the skill to be there but there is no consistancy. They need more time to develop. They would be better off in a 3rd line situation.

We Just got JVR back, he will take some time to shake the rust off. Half the D core is in their 2nd or 3rd season as a pro. Again they will take time to develop. Provorov has hit a wall and that is normal, he has to battle through and he will become a better player through it.

Goaltending is unnerving but they were never meant to be long term. Hextall went with what was best available. There was no sense giving up anything of value for a band-aid. The hope was Neuvirth would be healthier than he was. It didnt work out but the buyout isnt worth it. Why put an extra season of cap hit on us when we can just wait it out and be done with him? This FA pool has some good goalie options out there and I be that is what Hextall was looking for when he chose the terms for these goaltenders.

This team is going to be great but they still need time.

Your continued attempts to demean those who think differently than you, are quite frankly pathetic.
- flyer_nutter

You mean like how you call me a homer because I don't share your criticism of Hakstol? Something like that. I didn't demean you. I pointed out how I think you're opinion is misguided. I've never made a comment labeling you as a person. You have done so to me, numerous times.

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Sorry, I know you rarely disagree with the company line, but you are just flat out wrong here. Going into a season in which you expect your team to take the next step with a goal tandem of a guy coming off a serious injury and another who may just be the most injury prone player in the NHL is just poor management. A buyout of Neuvirth would have been a drop in the bucket with the amount of cap room they have this year and it would not have impeded anything they were likely going to do next year either. You are flat out wrong.
- BiggE

He said next step, how do you know Hextall's "Next step" is the same as what you think it is? It could mean many things. This FA could be another next step by getting a goalie now that some viable options are available. Perhaps "Next Step" entails fixing Holmgrems errors, Trading JVR and trading Bobrovsky.

I think in the last thread I saw some rumblings about Carter Hart, some interesting tidbits to remember...

- It's been 2 years since Hart's draft year.
- Most starters in the NHL took 4+ years from draft year to play 30+ games
- Gibson 5 yrs, Holtby 5 yrs, Vasilevskiy 5 yrs, Hellebuyck 4-5 yrs, Allen 6 yrs
- Exceptions being highly drafted goaltenders (top 5)...basically just MA Fleury.

Ryan Miller....7 years
Henrik Lundqvist...5 years
Pekka Rinne...5 years
Cory Schneider...7 years
Jonathan Quick...4 years
Corey Crawford....8 years
Martin Jones....8 years
Devan Dubnyk...7 years
Tuukka Rask...5 years


Carter Hart 2 years since draft, 1st pro year....bust-a-roo
- Glak18

Nicely done! This should be posted regularly.

Like I’ve said before, Hextall grossly underestimated the timeframe the prospects would be ready to contribute enough to elevate this core to contender status.

As others have said, Carter Hart is three to four years away, and that’s just for him to get to the NHL. Add another season or two to that for him to get his game up to speed.

By the time this happens Giroux and company will be able to apply for their AARP cards.

It is pie in the sky thinking that this core will compete for a cup with the higher end prospects we have in the pipeline.

Sorry, I know you rarely disagree with the company line, but you are just flat out wrong here. Going into a season in which you expect your team to take the next step with a goal tandem of a guy coming off a serious injury and another who may just be the most injury prone player in the NHL is just poor management. A buyout of Neuvirth would have been a drop in the bucket with the amount of cap room they have this year and it would not have impeded anything they were likely going to do next year either. You are flat out wrong.
- BiggE

No, I'm not wrong. A buyout is the wrong move. It's November and the season is long. The next step is going to come from the development pace of players like Patrick, Linblom, Konecny, and Sanheim. As long as they get average NHL goaltending and they continue to get better as a team defensively, they'll be fine. I ant the cap pictue as clear as possible for when they get to the point where they want to make that one big move, they can. I know next year won't be that but don't buy out a player unless its absolutely necessary. Nothing to do with the company line although I do completely agree with Hextall's patience and the draft and develop approach.

No worries with me. I expect a win today because for the most part they have shown an ability to rebound a bit.

I’m not going to engage with you debating what makes a fan a better one, or a worse one. I expect a hell of a lot more than what we have seen. Hextall seems opposed to making a change. Force it on him.
- flyer_nutter

Stop being so asinine...



I’m hoping JVR helps set the lines and helps the PP. I would think the patience is running thin with some of the efforts this group has put forward. I don’t think a GM is ever forced into a move...although it happens...where they feel a need to respond....what’s asinine is for the guy in charge not to address the issues this team has and try and fix them....pretending they don’t exist or expecting things to fix them selves is not something I think Hextall will do....he’s not that dumb.

Stay the course of missing the playoffs/first round exits! They are right on pace.
Sorry, GM's don't get 7 or (frank)ing 8 years of this poop without showing improvement.

It's more of the same this year, team is going nowhere yet again.

For all the future is bright lap dogs, who is the goalie next year? If you can't answer that question what makes next year any different?

He said next step, how do you know Hextall's "Next step" is the same as what you think it is? It could mean many things. This FA could be another next step by getting a goalie now that some viable options are available. Perhaps "Next Step" entails fixing Holmgrems errors, Trading JVR and trading Bobrovsky.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I very much doubt he's looking to sign Bob who will looking for a long term deal. Face it, coming back this season with Neuvirth as one of the goalies for a team that's expected to be a playoff team and have the ability to win a round was a mistake. There is no way around that.