Can we all just agree that Weal should be benched?
- arichardson22

I thought he made a few really poor decisions on the PP. At one point he just drove into the zone and carried the puck right to Kinkaid without so much as looking to set up the PP in the zone. Resulted in a quick turnover and a Devils clear.

Problem is who do you bench him for?

I thought he made a few really poor decisions on the PP. At one point he just drove into the zone and carried the puck right to Kinkaid without so much as looking to set up the PP in the zone. Resulted in a quick turnover and a Devils clear.

Problem is who do you bench him for?
- hereticpride

I don't think it's fair to single out Weal. I place far more criticism on the Flyers top players who failed to score. I'd like to see Laughton play more and put him at 3C. He has a hunger for the puck and he gets to the net. I prefer Lehtera at 4C in that role over Weal.

Our Coach has zero creativity or vision.

-Putting the old PP group together but swooping Simmonds for JvR to me is a lack of creativity. Simmonds, although one of the best in the league at standing in front of the net, his position is to simply just stand there. Yes, Simmonds and JvR are capable of making plays in and around the crease but for the most part, aren’t game changers in terms of moving the puck around. If Hakstol really can’t see that JvR could do what Schenn was able to do and Hartnell before him, Hakstol simple doesn’t have a clue.

-Dave Hakstol botched another Coach’s Challenge. Everyone could see that JvR interfered with the Devil’s goaltender and he challenged it anyway.

-What is the importance of Jordan Weal on the Power Play? Why in a world where you have Travis Sanhiem and Oskar Lindblom on your back, do you go with Jordan Weal?

no. the defenseman got that with the shaft of his stick and the puck deflected over the net. it was ridiculous. how an NHL player in that situation does not score is simply inexcusable.
- hammarby31

Dunno, Comcast showed an angle where it went off the paddle of the goalie's stick.

But yeah... Kinkaid gave him a pass right on the tape... he probably could have one-timed that into the empty net, but he took that extra moment to gather it. Still, probably a puck that goes in 99% of the time. Maddening.

No excuse needs to be made. Simmonds did exactly what he should've done. Kinkaid lunged and got a stick on it. Nothing you can do about it. It's how the night went.
- MJL

i didn't see that last replay which clearly showed it hit kinkaid's stick.

simmonds SHOULD have wired that high. instead he put it dead center low which is what allowed the puck to get blocked. it's absurd. even if he had scored, it likely wouldn't have mattered anyway, but they would have at least had a chance. horrendous execution.

I thought he made a few really poor decisions on the PP. At one point he just drove into the zone and carried the puck right to Kinkaid without so much as looking to set up the PP in the zone. Resulted in a quick turnover and a Devils clear.

Problem is who do you bench him for?
- hereticpride

He made several bad plays throughout the game. On top of this, he gives the puck up so easily with just a slight bump from whoever on the opposing team. Dude needs to hit the gym. Honestly at this point idc who replaces him but he shouldn’t be in the lineup or needs a few games in the pressbox. Whenever someone on the other team sees Weal with the puck they probably laugh to themself thinking “taking candy from a baby.” I know I’m overdoing it, but he hurts this team more than he helps.

Dunno, Comcast showed an angle where it went off the paddle of the goalie's stick.

But yeah... Kinkaid gave him a pass right on the tape... he probably could have one-timed that into the empty net, but he took that extra moment to gather it. Still, probably a puck that goes in 99% of the time. Maddening.
- Tomahawk

you are right. i turned away in disgust after the 2nd replay where it looked like it hit lovejoy's stick. i just watched the last replay and saw it hit kinkcaid's stick.

either way, that has to go in. put it high and it's in the net and they have a shot.

miserable night.

watch kinkaid get torched for 6 in his next outing.

i didn't see that last replay which clearly showed it hit kinkaid's stick.

simmonds SHOULD have wired that high. instead he put it dead center low which is what allowed the puck to get blocked. it's absurd. even if he had scored, it likely wouldn't have mattered anyway, but they would have at least had a chance. horrendous execution.
- hammarby31

He shot it hard into the middle of the net. Simmonds did nothing wrong there in my opinion. You try and shoot it high and you risk missing the net. Every player in that situation would shoot for the middle of the net.

watch kinkaid get torched for 6 in his next outing.
- hammarby31

He shot it hard into the middle of the net. Simmonds did nothing wrong there in my opinion. You try and shoot it high and you risk missing the net. Every player in that situation would shoot for the middle of the net.
- MJL

center is fine. but elevate. he doesn't have to pick a top corner. that's all i'm saying.

Everyone could also see in the Colorado game this season that the player interfered with Elliott but the goal counted. Hakstol was right to challenge that.

- Tomahawk

watch. you'll see.

center is fine. but elevate. he doesn't have to pick a top corner. that's all i'm saying.
- hammarby31

Center of the net is elevated. It's half way up.

Weal should be scratched and Scotty should play 3c. Weal just pivots endlessly aeound the boards and throws a blind pass into the slot that's usually picked off and kills possession

Everyone could also see in the Colorado game this season that the player interfered with Elliott but the goal counted. Hakstol was right to challenge that.
- MJL

that was a garbage call. kinkaid's heels are in the crease. the rest of his body is not. jvr did angle toward the goalie right before the shot was taken. if he stayed in his ongoing path he would have avoided him. my issue is the goalie's position AND that he literally didn't move after the shot was taken. he didn't even try to look for the puck, reach for the puck, push for the puck. he dropped to his knees, nothing more. what jvr did made no difference to KK not making that stop.

SIMMUNDS IS A LEEDER
- hereticpride

doesn't even lead the team in fights

Embarrassing, changes need to be made, not happy

that was a garbage call. kinkaid's heels are in the crease. the rest of his body is not. jvr did angle toward the goalie right before the shot was taken. if he stayed in his ongoing path he would have avoided him. my issue is the goalie's position AND that he literally didn't move after the shot was taken. he didn't even try to look for the puck, reach for the puck, push for the puck. he dropped to his knees, nothing more. what jvr did made no difference to KK not making that stop.
- hammarby31

I agree it was a bad call. At the very least an inconsistent call. There is language in the rule that incidental contact can still result in a good goal with goalie pretty much out of the crease.

i only hope we can get fair value for simmonds at the TDL

Center of the net is elevated. It's half way up.
- MJL

i'm talking top half of the net. watch the last replay. it was no more than a foot off the ice when it hit his stick. when i say center, i'm talking middle, from the ice to the cross bar.

Why is there so much anger towards the team for this loss. From what I read Flyers dominated the Devils.

i'm talking top half of the net. watch the last replay. it was no more than a foot off the ice when it hit his stick. when i say center, i'm talking middle, from the ice to the cross bar.
- hammarby31

I'll just say we disagree. I have no issue with anything Simmonds did there. It's just bad luck.

Why is there so much anger towards the team for this loss. From what I read Flyers dominated the Devils.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

lol what?

Why is there so much anger towards the team for this loss. From what I read Flyers dominated the Devils.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

In everything but the score. No moral victories. 4-6 on home ice.

I agree it was a bad call. At the very least an inconsistent call. There is language in the rule that incidental contact can still result in a good goal with goalie pretty much out of the crease.
- MJL

does the incidental contact prevent him from trying to make the save or making the save, is, in my mind, how the rule should be implemented. in this case it didn't knock him out of position. yes, he grazed the glove and mask, but there was literally no effort by him to track the puck to try to stop it. he wasn't pushed out of the way. jvr screened him. that's why it went it in, and that's why it should count.

the inconsistency is terrible. if here firmly planted inside the crease and JvR bumps him, then i have no problem.