Dude those guys are generational talent.......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

multiple guys in the same generation? what a concept

multiple guys in the same generation? what a concept
- 2Real

That is not what I mean. I mean McDavid, Ovechkin, Crosby ect are the highest teir of players. We dont have anyone at that level. Giroux is a tier below them. Voracek I would say is below that. No one else is close at the moment. All these guys were #1 overall picks as well. Flyers have yet to have one in over a decade. Only time we finished low enough to earn one we got screwed.

I can't disagree with that. The PP is just as brutal lately as the PK.
- Scoob

I stated this earlier in the thread, but i saw you skipped the pages so:

My biggest issue is, this team is milk toast.

I was offered 2 free tickets and a parking pass, for last nights game, and never even entertained the idea of accepting them.

Until the special teams improve this team will not win a round in the playoffs.

I don't want to nitpicking individual games. This is now about making the playoffs and making noise in the playoffs.

With the special teams play, this team is currently displaying, they have 0 chance of winning a playoff round. It will be tough to even win a single game.

We were told by the GM that this year was the year to take a step.

The GM IGNORED upgrading the PK, after speaking out about the poor PK after last season and stating he was going to address it.

That is not what I mean. I mean McDavid, Ovechkin, Crosby ect are the highest teir of players. We dont have anyone at that level. Giroux is a tier below them. Voracek I would say is below that. No one else is close at the moment. All these guys were #1 overall picks as well. Flyers have yet to have one in over a decade. Only time we finished low enough to earn one we got screwed.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Giroux was one of 3 players last season to score 100 points. I think only one player has scored more points over the last 6-7 seasons than Giroux. He is on that list.

That suffocating Florida squad that’s on a roll only let 7 get by last night

First off, I want to say that while I don’t share the negative feelings surrounding many of the view points, i.e. Hextall should have made more off season moves to improve goaltending and the PK or trades for 3C or veteran defenseman. I do think those points all have some validity. My personal theory is that such moves just weren’t available at a cost Hexy was willing to pay or he wasn’t certain they would truly improve the team.

I haven’t been a Flyers fan for nearly as long as some of you. Frankly, for a fan base that loves to win and hates to lose as much as the Flyers fans, it is a miracle that they have held it to together year after year, decade after decade, into a new century and era in hockey and then some. It’s been a long time since those Stanley Cups.

I think that what looks like drama and overreacting is really caused by time. This season is the straw that broke the camel’s back. That’s a pretty rough burden to place on any one, coach, GM, team or player. The old advice has never been more true, “Don’t take it personally.”

I can’t really fault people for being emotionally invested in the team. Usually that is a positive but sometimes the pendulum swings the other way, like now. No offense to those that say it or think it, but every time I hear the 2-3 years away phrase, I want to scream.

Hang in there Flyers. It’s not over yet. That next Cup is around a corner. These are just back spasms. You can make it.

I don't see it. Other than Voracek's defensive lapses, he's been fine. Simmonds is strong on his skates, knocking people off of pucks and getting some chances. He's not been on the first unit PP, which I think is a mistake, so that changes how he is viewed. He also doesn't have a center that can get him the puck consistently. Before last night, the Flyers have outscored the opposition 24-7 in 5 on 5 play in the previous 7 games. The Flyers are a strong 5 on 5 team. They just need to get the special teams better.
- MJL

ongoing issue since he got here. Never held accountable

ongoing issue since he got here. Never held accountable
- corduroy

If Ovechkin can be made accountable I don’t understand why Jake can’t. Defensive play just takes effort. That’s all. It’s an indictment on the coaching

First off, I want to say that while I don’t share the negative feelings surrounding many of the view points, i.e. Hextall should have made more off season moves to improve goaltending and the PK or trades for 3C or veteran defenseman. I do think those points all have some validity. My personal theory is that such moves just weren’t available at a cost Hexy was willing to pay or he wasn’t certain they would truly improve the team.

I haven’t been a Flyers fan for nearly as long as some of you. Frankly, for a fan base that loves to win and hates to lose as much as the Flyers fans, it is a miracle that they have held it to together year after year, decade after decade, into a new century and era in hockey and then some. It’s been a long time since those Stanley Cups.

I think that what looks like drama and overreacting is really caused by time. This season is the straw that broke the camel’s back. That’s a pretty rough burden to place on any one, coach, GM, team or player. The old advice has never been more true, “Don’t take it personally.”

I can’t really fault people for being emotionally invested in the team. Usually that is a positive but sometimes the pendulum swings the other way, like now. No offense to those that say it or think it, but every time I hear the 2-3 years away phrase, I want to scream.

Hang in there Flyers. It’s not over yet. That next Cup is around a corner. These are just back spasms. You can make it.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well stated

First off, I want to say that while I don’t share the negative feelings surrounding many of the view points, i.e. Hextall should have made more off season moves to improve goaltending and the PK or trades for 3C or veteran defenseman. I do think those points all have some validity. My personal theory is that such moves just weren’t available at a cost Hexy was willing to pay or he wasn’t certain they would truly improve the team.

I haven’t been a Flyers fan for nearly as long as some of you. Frankly, for a fan base that loves to win and hates to lose as much as the Flyers fans, it is a miracle that they have held it to together year after year, decade after decade, into a new century and era in hockey and then some. It’s been a long time since those Stanley Cups.

I think that what looks like drama and overreacting is really caused by time. This season is the straw that broke the camel’s back. That’s a pretty rough burden to place on any one, coach, GM, team or player. The old advice has never been more true, “Don’t take it personally.”

I can’t really fault people for being emotionally invested in the team. Usually that is a positive but sometimes the pendulum swings the other way, like now. No offense to those that say it or think it, but every time I hear the 2-3 years away phrase, I want to scream.

Hang in there Flyers. It’s not over yet. That next Cup is around a corner. These are just back spasms. You can make it.
- NC Flyers Fan

Spasms...Ok I’m with you

First off, I want to say that while I don’t share the negative feelings surrounding many of the view points, i.e. Hextall should have made more off season moves to improve goaltending and the PK or trades for 3C or veteran defenseman. I do think those points all have some validity. My personal theory is that such moves just weren’t available at a cost Hexy was willing to pay or he wasn’t certain they would truly improve the team.

I haven’t been a Flyers fan for nearly as long as some of you. Frankly, for a fan base that loves to win and hates to lose as much as the Flyers fans, it is a miracle that they have held it to together year after year, decade after decade, into a new century and era in hockey and then some. It’s been a long time since those Stanley Cups.

I think that what looks like drama and overreacting is really caused by time. This season is the straw that broke the camel’s back. That’s a pretty rough burden to place on any one, coach, GM, team or player. The old advice has never been more true, “Don’t take it personally.”

I can’t really fault people for being emotionally invested in the team. Usually that is a positive but sometimes the pendulum swings the other way, like now. No offense to those that say it or think it, but every time I hear the 2-3 years away phrase, I want to scream.

Hang in there Flyers. It’s not over yet. That next Cup is around a corner. These are just back spasms. You can make it.
- NC Flyers Fan

Great post.

If Ovechkin can be made accountable I don’t understand why Jake can’t. Defensive play just takes effort. That’s all. It’s an indictment on the coaching
- Just5

I'm not sure why Jake hasn't been held accountable either. But it seems that he can get away with how he plays just because he scores goals. yes he'll get called out but he won't get actually disciplined.

ongoing issue since he got here. Never held accountable
- corduroy

Do you think they should scratch or lower the ice time of Voracek?

Do you think they should scratch or lower the ice time of Voracek?
- MJL

How did Trotz get Ovechkin to by in?

Do you think they should scratch or lower the ice time of Voracek?
- MJL

Not who you asked but at this point go drastic. Scratch him.

I'm not sure why Jake hasn't been held accountable either. But it seems that he can get away with how he plays just because he scores goals. yes he'll get called out but he won't get actually disciplined.
- dragonoffrost

Rarely does he get called out by name. Like younger players would. Reducing ice time or benching him would be risky for Hak to do on many levels. Keeping him in the lineup and letting him do his status quo on the ice is the easy way out.

Rarely does he get called out by name. Like younger players would. Reducing ice time or benching him would be risky for Hak to do on many levels. Keeping him in the lineup and letting him do his status quo on the ice is the easy way out.
- Just5

The meeting where thwy were the last to ice at practice was pretty much a call out. So that would be by name. But yeah it seems they are reluctant to go further and I can't understand it.

If it makes anyone feel better most of the league is garbage and injury plagued.

341 comments already? What's the issue now?

The biggest issue I have with all that’s going on with this team is it’s like Groundhog Day for the past 2-3 years. You can almost guarantee a reprint copy of the 82 games each year. We make subtle changes but nothing really changed with the on ice product. It just looks and feels the same each year as a fan. And with this, it has become boring and sour tasting to me. I don’t get excited for games anymore. I look at the schedule and just know it’s going to likely be a loss, or a boring game against some teams.
This team is BORING, and I don’t see anything changing for the better anytime soon. We have good young kids playing, but are not producing the way we hoped at least not yet. When your best defenceman in Provorov has looked like a nightmare all season and Gudas has looked your best of all 3, we have issues.
If Hakstol can’t get these players to play each game hard, and he has not, then changes need to be made bottom line.

How did Trotz get Ovechkin to by in?
- J35Bacher

Ovechkin decided to play better. It’s on the players

Just like the isles all decided they want to play better this year

Ovechkin decided to play better. It’s on the players

Just like the isles all decided they want to play better this year
- Just5

I also remember in the playoffs one year that Dale Hunter played him like 10 minutes a game. It was a message...."you are to good not to buy in.....other guys watch and look to follow what you do. Make that a positive"

The meeting where thwy were the last to ice at practice was pretty much a call out. So that would be by name.
- dragonoffrost

Exactly what I was thinking. There will not be a public call out so anyone here hoping for that can just forget it.

That said, JV is not the only issue. Special teams is killing them.

Goaltending could be an issue now depending on Elliott's injury. And that is a real shame because the last couple games he looked to be back in form. They are too thin at that position. Everyone knew it coming into the season and now it could finally be the big issue we feared it would be. Hart is not an option. Neuvirth is not an option. Pickard and Lyon are warm bodies at best.

Man... JVR returning lights absolutely no spark for this team
my video take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyfgLHDam7g

The special teams stink and the GM has not addressed the PK issues, after stating he would.
- ggunky

so where is this team today then ? how has this team evolved? are they building something or are they mediocre like they were when Hextall and Hak arrived?

The PK is a disaster for sure ....but this team has other "warts" as well. Has Hextall addressed them or is it simply growing pains and these warts are simply symtimatic of the process?. That is really what this argument comes down to.

I am totally fine with the plan if there's something tangible at the end... But when is the end?...we are basically in year 4 or 5....Is it fair to say Year 6 or 7? (not that im going anywhere) just wondering.