I take his facial expression changing as not accepting it. But not finding the answer available at the cost he's willing to pay.
- dragonoffrost

For those who still don't understand how Hak's offensive system that emphasizes shooting from the point is throttling the team's 5 on 5 offense, consider two facts.

1. Last night the Devils took about ~1-2 shot attempts from the blue-line all game to the Flyers ~15-20.

2. Since Hak became coach, the Flyers rank 22nd in GF at 5 on 5.

Well results are all that matters. There are many ways to address problems with a team other than trades or changing coaches. As always, it comes down to the execution of the players on the ice.
- MJL

I can tell my kids to do something the way i want all the time. If they don't then eventually i need to step in an make the change myself or do something that initiates the change I want.

You keep stating the players need to make the appropriate change on the ice. I think we all know that. The problem seems to be the same thing in recent years. It might be time to step in and initiate change.

I take his facial expression changing as not accepting it. But not finding the answer available at the cost he's willing to pay.
- dragonoffrost

Great!

He looked mad, as he continues to do nothing to address it.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

I take his facial expression changing as not accepting it. But not finding the answer available at the cost he's willing to pay.
- dragonoffrost

This is also ignoring this very same person, the GM, that stated it needed to improve and that he was going to address it.

Priceless.

But his face got red!

you can't make this stuff up.

For those who still don't understand how Hak's offensive system that emphasizes shooting from the point is throttling the team's 5 on 5 offense, consider two facts.

1. Last night the Devils took about ~1-2 shot attempts from the blue-line all game to the Flyers ~15-20.

2. Since Hak became coach, the Flyers rank 22nd in GF at 5 on 5.
- Feanor

Devils also dont have offensive threats like we do. Who the hell on NJ is gonna score from the point. Hak enphisizes using the point because be have offensive guys like Ghost, Sanheim, Provorov in our line up. Even hagg has been pretty good offensively.

For those who still don't understand how Hak's offensive system that emphasizes shooting from the point is throttling the team's 5 on 5 offense, consider two facts.

1. Last night the Devils took about ~1-2 shot attempts from the blue-line all game to the Flyers ~15-20.

2. Since Hak became coach, the Flyers rank 22nd in GF at 5 on 5.
- Feanor

The heat chart from last night's game clearly shows the Flyers attempts from around the net. High danger scoring chances last night were 16-7 in favor of the Flyers. The Flyers currently rank 6th in the NHL in 5 on 5 goals.

This idea that Hakstol's offensive system emphasizes point shots is a myth.

I can tell my kids to do something the way i want all the time. If they don't then eventually i need to step in an make the change myself or do something that initiates the change I want.

You keep stating the players need to make the appropriate change on the ice. I think we all know that. The problem seems to be the same thing in recent years. It might be time to step in and initiate change.
- J35Bacher

Change hasn't been happening? Look at all the new players added by Hextall. Change has been happening.

I can tell my kids to do something the way i want all the time. If they don't then eventually i need to step in an make the change myself or do something that initiates the change I want.

You keep stating the players need to make the appropriate change on the ice. I think we all know that. The problem seems to be the same thing in recent years. It might be time to step in and initiate change.
- J35Bacher

The players are not kids. A coach only has so much he can do. If your kid misbehave you can ground them, even give them a smack to a certain extent. What can a coach do? Bench someone? He can only do that if he has the GMs approval. No matter how you look at it most GMs and Owners are not happy with their star players they pay top $ to play for the team being a healthy scratch. You also can only scratch and bench so many players

The players are not kids. A coach only has so much he can do. If your kid misbehave you can ground them, even give them a smack to a certain extent. What can a coach do? Bench someone? He can only do that if he has the GMs approval. No matter how you look at it most GMs and Owners are not happy with their star players they pay top $ to play for the team being a healthy scratch. You also can only scratch and bench so many players
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

This

Too many fans don't think of the business side of the game

Dude you are such a tool Basement dwellers? Sure maybe if the point difference from bottom to top was 20 points. These last place bottom dwellers are only 5 points out of a Wild card spot. 3 Game winning streak starting now gets them in. Majority of the teams in the East have not been able to run away in the standings yet. The only teams safe at this point are Tampa and the Leafs Everyone else is seperated by 1-7 points
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

And most of the teams behind us also have 2-3 games in hand, which everyone seems to forget to mention.

And most of the teams behind us also have 2-3 games in hand, which everyone seems to forget to mention.
- youarewrong

That is true as well. Most teams are in 18-19 games range however PIT, NJ and FLA have the least amount of games played. They are at 16-17 Games and None of these teams are bad teams either.

I can tell my kids to do something the way i want all the time. If they don't then eventually i need to step in an make the change myself or do something that initiates the change I want.

You keep stating the players need to make the appropriate change on the ice. I think we all know that. The problem seems to be the same thing in recent years. It might be time to step in and initiate change.
- J35Bacher

I think this team needs to decide if this is the year they need to step up to be competitive, or if its still 2-3 years down the road.

I will agree that this team is all over the place, and has been for the last 7 years... sometimes they look amazing, sometimes they look terrible. It spans multiple coaches, and a lot of different players... even different GMs. So I think its becoming clear that the core players.... as good as they are/can be... are the reason the teams are so inconsistent. Giroux is an amazing player, I dont know if you could love him and get similiar value. But Voracek and Simmonds should be traded.

Send Voracek to Columbus for Panarin and a conditional pick if he resigns... Voracek is signed longterm and came from Columbus. It seems like a good fit.

Maybe you can get Carter back from LA for Simmonds. Both teams in need of a change.

Maybe you pick up Anderson for Nuevirth, Stolarz and a conditional pick.

All moves like these are unilateral, and wont change the "future" of the teams, but could shake the Foundations.

Giroux-Carter-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Panarin
Lindblom-Couturier-Raffl
Laughton-Lehtera-Weise

The players are not kids. A coach only has so much he can do. If your kid misbehave you can ground them, even give them a smack to a certain extent. What can a coach do? Bench someone? He can only do that if he has the GMs approval. No matter how you look at it most GMs and Owners are not happy with their star players they pay top $ to play for the team being a healthy scratch. You also can only scratch and bench so many players
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hakstol does not need the GM's approval to bench any player.

The players are not kids. A coach only has so much he can do. If your kid misbehave you can ground them, even give them a smack to a certain extent. What can a coach do? Bench someone? He can only do that if he has the GMs approval. No matter how you look at it most GMs and Owners are not happy with their star players they pay top $ to play for the team being a healthy scratch. You also can only scratch and bench so many players
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I am not saying they are. But you only let things go a certain way for so long before you might have to step in.

We can keep hoping the players change on the ice. But maybe they are what they are and it might be time for someone with authority to step in an initiate change.

I don't buy the soft argument either.
- MJL

We can just disagree on this point then.

To me the Flyers are not a heavy team to play against.

For those who still don't understand how Hak's offensive system that emphasizes shooting from the point is throttling the team's 5 on 5 offense, consider two facts.

1. Last night the Devils took about ~1-2 shot attempts from the blue-line all game to the Flyers ~15-20.

2. Since Hak became coach, the Flyers rank 22nd in GF at 5 on 5.
- Feanor

Where do you get these numbers from?

The reason I keep thinking Voracek is the piece to move is because I think he is the best piece to make an actual hockey trade with. A move like Subban for Weber type deal. A move that still allows you to be on your intended path this year and next.

We can just disagree on this point then.

To me the Flyers are not a heavy team to play against.
- opeth_pa

The NHL now is a skating and skill league. I don't see the Flyers issues are due to not being physical enough. I do however feel that their compete level is inconsistent.

Reads page one, sees it's the goalies fault, skips to last page.

Hi.

Mood?

Reads page one, sees it's the goalies fault, skips to last page.

Hi.

Mood?
- Scoob

woof

I think this team needs to decide if this is the year they need to step up to be competitive, or if its still 2-3 years down the road.

I will agree that this team is all over the place, and has been for the last 7 years... sometimes they look amazing, sometimes they look terrible. It spans multiple coaches, and a lot of different players... even different GMs. So I think its becoming clear that the core players.... as good as they are/can be... are the reason the teams are so inconsistent. Giroux is an amazing player, I dont know if you could love him and get similiar value. But Voracek and Simmonds should be traded.

Send Voracek to Columbus for Panarin and a conditional pick if he resigns... Voracek is signed longterm and came from Columbus. It seems like a good fit.

Maybe you can get Carter back from LA for Simmonds. Both teams in need of a change.

Maybe you pick up Anderson for Nuevirth, Stolarz and a conditional pick.

All moves like these are unilateral, and wont change the "future" of the teams, but could shake the Foundations.

Giroux-Carter-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Panarin
Lindblom-Couturier-Raffl
Laughton-Lehtera-Weise
- youarewrong

I dont really think it has to with the core. You have to remember the team we had before lacked skill. We essentially did a complete rebuild while being competitive. So at this point in time we have the skill but now we lack the consistency and the experience. So yes it has take a while to rebuild but time is still needed. Our young players are being relied on to produce and the guys we have dont seem ready for that. We see flashed from guys like Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom ect but there is a lack of consistency. Prospects as talented as they are arent guaranteed either. Several #1 overall picks fizzled out. There is no reason why guys taken later wouldnt either. I dont think that is the case but the 3 players listed might not be top line potential. Perhaps they are 2nd line players at their peak.

Theres going to be a massive shift next season as well since Simmonds will likely be gone, Lehtera will be gone, Weal will be gone, We dont have any goaltenders signed past this season so we will likely have a completely new tandem. It is also possible we deal Weise who will have 1 year left.

Edmonton has been looking for a winger to pair with Draistal. Voracek could look attractive there.

To Philadelphia: Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujärvi, Khaira

To Edmonton: Voracek, Gudas, Weal, 3rd rounder

Far off? Not enough on Flyers end?

Does it hurt the Flyers too much? Nugent Hopkins would upgrade your 3c and pk.

Just trying to see what people think. In my mind I think moving one of Simmonds or Voracek could be the move and not necessarily hurt the team depending on return
- J35Bacher

Nuge would fit right in with this buttersoft team.

Reads page one, sees it's the goalies fault, skips to last page.

Hi.

Mood?
- Scoob

The special teams stink and the GM has not addressed the PK issues, after stating he would.

The special teams stink and the GM has not addressed the PK issues, after stating he would.
- ggunky

I can't disagree with that. The PP is just as brutal lately as the PK.