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dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
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Nov 16 @ 10:02 AM ET
Cool. Next win I'll still stand by the fact they should trade Simmonds. I can't speak for anyone else.
- hereticpride

I've been on the trade Jake horn after wins because of his lazy back checking. This team loves playing with fire
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:03 AM ET
Status quo.

The GM, in his actions, has accepted 27th rank PK.

He accepted a PK that he self admitted needed improvement.

The GM did NOTHING to change the PK after admitting, himself, that it wasn't good enough and he was going to address it.

Status quo.

- ggunky


I disagree that he has accepted it.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:04 AM ET
I disagree that he has accepted it.
- MJL


Then how did he address it to change it?

juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Nov 16 @ 10:04 AM ET
Yes, absolutely. If they had won last night, a trade of Simmonds would not be a main topic of conversation today and you know that.
- MJL



I understand and agree with you on panic moves, but there may be posters who have legitimately felt potential moves of Simmonds or Vorachek to improve roster and line composition for some time now.

There are teams that are in panic mode that may be looking to shake up their roster before a run is too far outside their grasp.

Guess im saying is there is a camp that may seek a legitimate hockey trade to benefit now and the future irrespective of the win/loss performance over the last 10-14 days. That doesnt make them reactionary, just that they see a different pathway forward
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:06 AM ET
Then how did he address it to change it?
- ggunky


I think it's foolish to think that adding one player or bringing in a different coach would automatically fix it. The players on the ice need to fix it. I think Hextall is seething over it. I think the idea that he has just accepted it, is nonsense.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 16 @ 10:06 AM ET
My biggest issue is, this team is milk toast.

I was offered 2 free tickets and a parking pass, for last nights game, and never even entertained the idea of accepting them.

Until the special teams improve this team will not win a round in the playoffs.

I don't want to nitpicking individual games. This is now about making the playoffs and making noise in the playoffs.

With the special teams play, this team is currently displaying, they have 0 chance of winning a playoff round. It will be tough to even win a single game.

I was told by the GM that this year was the year to take a step.

The GM IGNORED upgrading the PK, after speaking out about the poor PK after last season and stating he was going to address it.

- ggunky


Lukewarm milk toast oatmeal describes this current version of the Flyers..

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:07 AM ET
I understand and agree with you on panic moves, but there may be posters who have legitimately felt potential moves of Simmonds or Vorachek to improve roster and line composition for some time now.

There are teams that are in panic mode that may be looking to shake up their roster before a run is too far outside their grasp.

Guess im saying is there is a camp that may seek a legitimate hockey trade to benefit now and the future irrespective of the win/loss performance over the last 10-14 days. That doesnt make them reactionary, just that they see a different pathway forward

- juiced


Bringing it up now and making it a main topic of conversation is what is reactionary. They win last night, we're not discussing it.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:07 AM ET
I think it's foolish to think that adding one player or bringing in a different coach would automatically fix it. The players on the ice need to fix it. I think Hextall is seething over it. I think the idea that he has just accepted it, is nonsense.
- MJL


Then the GM was foolish for stating that.

I don't think Hextall is seething over it. His actions demonstrate it, through his lack of action on this matter.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:09 AM ET
Lukewarm milk toast oatmeal describes this current version of the Flyers..
- opeth_pa


The Flyers problem is special teams right now. They're a strong 5 on 5 team. Before last night's game, the Flyers had outscored their opponents 24-7 at ES in the last 7 games. Last night they created a ton of chances. They had zero puck luck. A loss is a loss but I think it's being made out to be worse than it actually is. One point out of a playoff spot in the Metro.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:09 AM ET
Then the GM was foolish for stating that.

I don't think Hextall is seething over it. His actions demonstrate it, through his lack of action on this matter.

- ggunky


I think you're wrong.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:10 AM ET
I think you're wrong.
- MJL



I think you are wrong.

I have the proof of the GM's words and actions.

You have the proof of your opinion.

opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 16 @ 10:11 AM ET
The Flyers problem is special teams right now. They're a strong 5 on 5 team. Before last night's game, the Flyers had outscored their opponents 24-7 at ES in the last 7 games. Last night they created a ton of chances. They had zero puck luck. A loss is a loss but I think it's being made out to be worse than it actually is. One point out of a playoff spot in the Metro.
- MJL



Without a doubt..If they had a powerplay then they would be in much better shape..Or a PK.

Still doesnt change the fact that they are a pretty easy team to play against neither being overly skilled or anything close to physically aggressive.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:12 AM ET
I think you are wrong.

I have the proof of the GM's words and actions.

You have the proof of your opinion.

- ggunky


Well results are all that matters. There are many ways to address problems with a team other than trades or changing coaches. As always, it comes down to the execution of the players on the ice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:13 AM ET
Without a doubt..If they had a powerplay then they would be in much better shape..Or a PK.

Still doesnt change the fact that they are a pretty easy team to play against neither being overly skilled or anything close to physically aggressive.

- opeth_pa


I don't buy the soft argument either.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
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Nov 16 @ 10:16 AM ET
I think you are wrong.

I have the proof of the GM's words and actions.

You have the proof of your opinion.

- ggunky

There is a video posted of Hextall where his facial reaction changed drastically when asked about the PK
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:17 AM ET
There is a video posted of Hextall where his facial reaction changed drastically when asked about the PK
- dragonoffrost


I have no issue with putting blame on the coaches and Hextall for the PK not improving. I do however take issue with saying they've accepted it and done nothing and not putting any blame on the players.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 16 @ 10:18 AM ET
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is basically the definition of insanity.

This pretty much sums up the Flyer’s PK and current goaltending situation
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:21 AM ET
Well results are all that matters. There are many ways to address problems with a team other than trades or changing coaches. As always, it comes down to the execution of the players on the ice.
- MJL


To speak to Hextall's idea of bringing in a forward to help the PK, a forward he could have signed that would have assisted in the PK area:

Michael Grabner. He was a free agent and specializes in the PK.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:23 AM ET
There is a video posted of Hextall where his facial reaction changed drastically when asked about the PK
- dragonoffrost



Great, guess what, he said he would address it...

Saying one thing then doing another, Politicians do it non-stop.

So Hextall is a great politician.

You see, I want to see action not lip service.

Some may be happy that his face got red, That does nothing for me.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:23 AM ET
To speak to Hextall's idea of bringing in a forward to help the PK, a forward he could have signed that would have assisted in the PK area:

Michael Grabner. He was a free agent and specializes in the PK.

- ggunky


Sure he could've signed him. As far as I know a GM can't force a player to sign.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 16 @ 10:24 AM ET
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is basically the definition of insanity.

This pretty much sums up the Flyer’s PK and current goaltending situation

- BiggE



It is beyond anything I can comprehend.

this PK is an utter joke.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 16 @ 10:24 AM ET
To speak to Hextall's idea of bringing in a forward to help the PK, a forward he could have signed that would have assisted in the PK area:

Michael Grabner. He was a free agent and specializes in the PK.

- ggunky


Why actually try to change the personnell when we can just sit back and wait for the players we have to start executing? What, you think they won't magically start executing well after only 3-4 years of poor play?

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is basically the definition of insanity.
- BiggE


Exactly. This group hasn't been anywhere near a capable PK in almost a half decade, what leads us to believe that it will magically change rolling out the same players/coach?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:25 AM ET
Why actually try to change the personnell when we can just sit back and wait for the players we have to start executing? What, you think they won't magically start executing well after only 3-4 years of poor play?
- jmatchett383


The Flyers have used numerous pairs of forwards on the PK. They recently have started using Giroux more on the PK.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
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Nov 16 @ 10:25 AM ET
I have no issue with putting blame on the coaches and Hextall for the PK not improving. I do however take issue with saying they've accepted it and done nothing and not putting any blame on the players.
- MJL

I take his facial expression changing as not accepting it. But not finding the answer available at the cost he's willing to pay.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 16 @ 10:26 AM ET
Oh look one goal combined against Eastern Conf. cellar dwellars Florida and NJ on home ice.
Oh look the worst home record in the eastern conference.
Oh look 7 consecutive years of missing the playoffs or first round exits.
Oh look a 44 year cup drought and counting.

Keep defending everything they do. It's clearly logical. The results are backing you up.
-plindberg31


Dude you are such a tool Basement dwellers? Sure maybe if the point difference from bottom to top was 20 points. These last place bottom dwellers are only 5 points out of a Wild card spot. 3 Game winning streak starting now gets them in. Majority of the teams in the East have not been able to run away in the standings yet. The only teams safe at this point are Tampa and the Leafs Everyone else is seperated by 1-7 points
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