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NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 15 @ 9:00 AM ET

The Weal at 3C experiment isn’t over yet. If it’s a fail after a decent try and there are no injuries in the top 9 for Weal to move to wing then Weal will sit. Weal is not viewed as a 4th line possibility so he won’t be 4C. He is not a PKer either.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:00 AM ET
It nice for you to say that, but the game I watched, there were long shots on Luongo, little pushback and all of a sudden they came out in the third with a stronger effort producing dominant shot totals. I've seen this before enough to say they'll come out strong in the third but it won't be enough. So you're saying that the Flyers had a consistent strong effort the first two periods, but Florida decided to fall back and defend in the third hoping to hold on? What I saw was a lack of urgency in the first two periods from the Flyers, and I watch every game so I think I can reliably state that.
- Hextall271


The Flyers matched Florida for 17 minutes of the first period. They battled in the neutral zone, got pucks deep and got on the forecheck. They also defended well. They had some puck management issues in the latter part of the period that led to some Florida attack time. I think the Flyers came out flat to start the 2nd period and I think Florida had the best of the period. In the 3rd, yes Florida absolutely changed their forecheck and sat back in a 3/4 ice 1-2-2. I agree that the Flyers could've shown more urgency to push back in the second but overall it was not a sleepwalking effort that you make it out to be.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:01 AM ET
No, Filppula was acquired in case Patrick wasn't ready, remember?
- jmatchett383


It was more for the reference when he stated "Lehtera is not a player that is going to be here long term." and his statements made yesterday about Filipula.

Doesn't matter about their future status, if you have them now you use them the best you can. Plus I don't feel Weal is seen as long term either.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 15 @ 9:04 AM ET
@Glak I am a little disappointed but not really concerned. Shouldnt make a huge impact. Id Rather have Lehtera in over Weal but I guess they want to see how Laughton plays at Center first. If Laughton does well I would expect Laughto to move up, Lehtera back on the 4th line and Weal out.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:07 AM ET
Fillpula was a 17 M 3rd line center for the Flyers that was frequently matched up against top lines. Lehtera is 6-8 minute 4th line center. It's a completely different situation. Lehtera isn't doing for the Flyers what Filppula did.
- MJL


You're killing me smalls.

I know what you are saying, but you keep adding tidbits that I don't see how they relate to the reasoning. Short/Long Term...now money. Neither matters in this case. 17M? How much is Lehtera making?

Lehtera is averaging 10 mins a game, while Weal is averaging 13. Weal is used on the blackhole of PP2, while Lehtera is used on the blackhole of PK2. I just don't see Weal much more valuable than Lehtera other than being a better skater.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 15 @ 9:09 AM ET
JVR isn't on the fourth line it was such a good idea.....
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 15 @ 9:10 AM ET
You're killing me smalls.

I know what you are saying, but you keep adding tidbits that I don't see how they relate to the reasoning. Short/Long Term...now money. Neither matters in this case. 17M? How much is Lehtera making?

Lehtera is averaging 10 mins a game, while Weal is averaging 13. Weal is used on the blackhole of PP2, while Lehtera is used on the blackhole of PK2. I just don't see Weal much more valuable than Lehtera other than being a better skater.

- Glak18


Both have little value IMO. Team will be better off without both of them.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:11 AM ET
@Glak I am a little disappointed but not really concerned. Shouldnt make a huge impact. Id Rather have Lehtera in over Weal but I guess they want to see how Laughton plays at Center first. If Laughton does well I would expect Laughto to move up, Lehtera back on the 4th line and Weal out.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I took a breath and realized I am bias towards Weal. I consider him C-Blocking Misha. Rather see the 3C and 4C being a battle between Laughton and Vorobyev, dealer choice who plays where.

ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Nov 15 @ 9:12 AM ET

How about Artem Anisimov to fill the hole at 3C?

Chicago is a bottom rung team. He has been rumored as available.

Cap hit of 4.55 mil through 20-21.

That would give plenty of time for Frost to mature into the NHL game.

NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 15 @ 9:12 AM ET

Is there some aversion to giving Weal a real fair look at 3C? This is his first look that I am aware of and JVR has been out with injury. What am I missing?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:12 AM ET
You're killing me smalls.

I know what you are saying, but you keep adding tidbits that I don't see how they relate to the reasoning. Short/Long Term...now money. Neither matters in this case. 17M? How much is Lehtera making?

Lehtera is averaging 10 mins a game, while Weal is averaging 13. Weal is used on the blackhole of PP2, while Lehtera is used on the blackhole of PK2. I just don't see Weal much more valuable than Lehtera other than being a better skater.

- Glak18


You're killing me by not realizing that this is about the question of whether it bothers me that Lehtera is a scratch. You're not making much sense here especially by bringing up the discussion last night and thinking that it somehow relates to this. It doesn't.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 15 @ 9:13 AM ET
SOOOO....how has Myers looked in LV this year?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:13 AM ET
Is there some aversion to giving Weal a real fair look at 3C? This is his first look that I am aware of and JVR has been out with injury. What am I missing?
- NC Flyers Fan


Maybe that Weal has been ineffective at the NHL level going back to last season.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:13 AM ET
JVR isn't on the fourth line it was such a good idea.....
- ClaudeFather


Someone made a suggestion that didn't happen...

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:14 AM ET
JVR isn't on the fourth line it was such a good idea.....
- ClaudeFather


Glad that we've established that if the coaching staff does not do something that is discussed by fans, then it's automatically a bad idea!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:16 AM ET
You're killing me by not realizing that this is about the question of whether it bothers me that Lehtera is a scratch. You're not making much sense here especially by bringing up the discussion last night and thinking that it somehow relates to this. It doesn't.
- MJL


I only brought up Filipula because you said "Lehtera is not a player that is going to be here long term.". Neither was Filipula last year and he was used. Then the comparison ends.

To me the difference between Weal and Lehtera...which is more important Weal on the PP or Lehtera on the PK?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:16 AM ET
Maybe that Weal has been ineffective at the NHL level going back to last season.
- MJL


So he played center last season and I watched nearly every game and missed his lengthy debut at center? Wow.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:18 AM ET
I only brought up Filipula because you said "Lehtera is not a player that is going to be here long term.". Neither was Filipula last year and he was used. Then the comparison ends.

To me the difference between Weal and Lehtera...which is more important Weal on the PP or Lehtera on the PK?

- Glak18


In other words, it's not a young player being sat down. Fillpula has squat to do with this.

Weal and Lehtera are not in competition for the same role on the team in my opinion.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:18 AM ET
SOOOO....how has Myers looked in LV this year?
- jmatchett383


Good in my eyes, not sure if that means ready for the NHL.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:18 AM ET
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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
In other words, it's not a young player being sat down. Fillpula has squat to do with this.

Weal and Lehtera are not in competition for the same role on the team in my opinion.

- MJL


Yes.

Doesn't seem like Weal has much competition either, did Weal play for North Dakota too...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
So he played center last season and I watched nearly every game and missed his lengthy debut at center? Wow.
- NC Flyers Fan


Position doesn't change the fact that Weal's skill set hasn't shown to translate well to the NHL, nor does it change that he struggles in board battles and is a perimeter player.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 15 @ 9:21 AM ET
Anyone else get a little disappointed for a second seeing Lehtera scratched over Weal?
- Glak18


No, not at all. Lehtera's play has dropped off and I hate him on the PK. that said Weal has been a disappointment but I at least hold out hope he can generate some offense. that 3C really is a gaping hole. Wouldn't mind seeing Laughton there just to give it a look.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
Yes.

Doesn't seem like Weal has much competition either, did Weal play for North Dakota too...

- Glak18


They tried Vorobyev. That leaves Laughton or Weal.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
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Nov 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
Is there some aversion to giving Weal a real fair look at 3C? This is his first look that I am aware of and JVR has been out with injury. What am I missing?
- NC Flyers Fan


You don't think Weal has been given a fair shot this year? I personally don't see a fair shot meaning when everything is perfect and everyone is healthy. You grab the role with what is given to you. Has Weal done that in your eyes?
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