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Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 1:06 PM ET
Stan has been there since 2001, so maybe it is his blueprint that they have been following all along...the drafting of Keith has Stan Bowman written all over it. This was before small puck moving defenseman became the rage that it seems to be now.
- ToewsdNKanefusd


It wasn’t StanBo with Keith. Mike Smith is famous for making this choice based on Keith’s effortless skating.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Nov 16 @ 1:15 PM ET
It wasn’t StanBo with Keith. Mike Smith is famous for making this choice based on Keith’s effortless skating.
- Z3Hawk


I don't think these things happen within a vacuum for the GM though. Scouts, Assistant GMs, Hockey Operations, Coaches can all have influence. Everyone likes to give credit or blame to the GM specifically for everything, but it is an entire front office.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Nov 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
It wasn’t StanBo with Keith. Mike Smith is famous for making this choice based on Keith’s effortless skating.
- Z3Hawk



Not knocking the pick, but Keith is anything but effortless. He chops more than a lumberjack when he strides.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Nov 16 @ 1:43 PM ET
Sorry Z, but your character assassination of Panarin is based purely on speculation, inference, and opinion. Just like Hartman was a locker room problem, and Sharp was causing drama with Keith, and the list goes on for departed players who suddenly have character flaws once they no longer play in Chicago......maybe there's some truth to it, but it's all conjecture.
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Nov 16 @ 1:47 PM ET
Ignore Big D, he just felt left out. Hahaha.
- I Am The Breadman

Ha!
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 1:48 PM ET
I saw this morning...Kruger is off IR and Davidson is on IR.

Lineup this morning

Scott Powers

Verified account

@ByScottPowers
1h1 hour ago
More
Blackhawks lineup during the morning skate

Schmaltz-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Kampf-Kahun
Saad-Anisimov-Hayden
Kunitz-Kruger-Martinsen

Keith-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Manning-Forsling

- breadbag


Swapped Forsling and Manning? Forsling's natural side is right? What is mannings?
Flying Puck
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 08.17.2018

Nov 16 @ 1:51 PM ET
Swapped Forsling and Manning? Forsling's natural side is right? What is mannings?
- ToewsdNKanefusd



Manning shoots left...not sure what his natural side is.
Flying Puck
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 08.17.2018

Nov 16 @ 1:55 PM ET
I have a question about the Rockford roster....I noticed that Lankinen is back up in Rockford, and they have three goalies on the roster. Is someone sick or injured at the Rock or are we trading Delia or Forsberg to Tampa or LA?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 2:03 PM ET
I have a question about the Rockford roster....I noticed that Lankinen is back up in Rockford, and they have three goalies on the roster. Is someone sick or injured at the Rock or are we trading Delia or Forsberg to Tampa or LA?
- Flying Puck

Forsberg is out of the lineup for a non injury. There's a flu going around. He and Tyler Sikura have been sick.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Nov 16 @ 2:03 PM ET
Panarin was not a “child” by any definition. What he was and is, is a selfish adult tool.

Also Hawks management did show you their hand if you were watching. Signed him for exactly Saad’s 6M without great haggling because the Hawks knew they were never going to pay it - but most impotantly NO NMC or NTC. Bowman gives these to everyone let alone a cornerstone piece. What happened next? Traded right after.

Feel free to defend Panarin all you want...but it won’t change anything. Panarin is not coming back.

- Z3Hawk

I don't know if I believe all the stuff about Panarin ,he sure did piss me off with that comment about feeling tired during the playoffs then runs over Sea's to play his heart out for mother Russia .

I may be mistaken and probably am but I thought there was something about Panarin deal that prohibited a NMC or NTC in that deal .
For what it worth I have a sneaky suspicion that Stan has a plan to bring Panarin back ,call me crazy but not use cap money to the fullest is not Stan MO .
I am not Panarin biggest fan endless he is filling the net for the HAWKS .Stocking up on young fast Defenseman and bringing in a sniper like Parnarin to add to Kane Toews DBC Saad and maybe a few others could light some fire under this Team fast ..
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 16 @ 2:06 PM ET
Not knocking the pick, but Keith is anything but effortless. He chops more than a lumberjack when he strides.
- 6628

His skating style is irrelevant the guy could skate all day. Considering his fitness level was off the charts it was effortless for him ... don't cha think?
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Nov 16 @ 2:09 PM ET
I don't know if I believe all the stuff about Panarin ,he sure did piss me off with that comment about feeling tired during the playoffs then runs over Sea's to play his heart out for mother Russia .

I may be mistaken and probably am but I thought there was something about Panarin deal that prohibited a NMC or NTC in that deal .
For what it worth I have a sneaky suspicion that Stan has a plan to bring Panarin back ,call me crazy but not use cap money to the fullest is not Stan MO .
I am not Panarin biggest fan endless he is filling the net for the HAWKS .Stocking up on young fast Defenseman and bringing in a sniper like Parnarin to add to Kane Toews DBC Saad and maybe a few others could light some fire under this Team fast ..

- oldduffman


Been saying this for awhile now. It just has that feel to it but who know's if Panarin gets traded or if Stan is even still with the team come the spring. I could definitely see it happening though IF the Hawks can move one of AA or Murphy's contracts off the books. My guess would be that Murphy would go first over AA if he can rebuild his value.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Nov 16 @ 2:14 PM ET
His skating style is irrelevant the guy could skate all day. Considering his fitness level was off the charts it was effortless for him ... don't cha think?
- paulr



I think if he had a smoother stride he's be twice as fast as Coffey ever was.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 16 @ 2:23 PM ET
I think if he had a smoother stride he's be twice as fast as Coffey ever was.
- 6628

Perhaps but Keith is quicker than Coffey was. Keith's games isn't flat out speed it is quickness and his skating style made him quick.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Nov 16 @ 2:28 PM ET
Perhaps but Keith is quicker than Coffey was. Keith's games isn't flat out speed it is quickness and his skating style made him quick.
- paulr


For the Gamers out there......NHL19 has dozens of NHL legends from every Era in the Hockey Ultimate Team game mode..Gretzky, Paul Coffey, Ted Lindsay, Bernie Geoffrion, Brad Park, Bob Probert, Dennis Savard, Howie Morenz and the list goes on and on ......it's pretty sweet.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 2:30 PM ET
Sorry Z, but your character assassination of Panarin is based purely on speculation, inference, and opinion. Just like Hartman was a locker room problem, and Sharp was causing drama with Keith, and the list goes on for departed players who suddenly have character flaws once they no longer play in Chicago......maybe there's some truth to it, but it's all conjecture.
- EnzoD


You are absolutely wrong. You should have done some research before posting as connected people said lots. In any event, in any situation where you are not standing beside the person, taking in what is happening first hand, there can still be loads of information that is incontrovertible.

Incontrovertible information:

Panarin was deemed expendable, and in fact was traded, by the Hawks after only 2 years. Management specifically gave him a contract equal to Saad’s with no NMC or NTC. Panarin does not get traded if he is viewed as very valuable and a locker-room asset.

Panarin made outrageous statements. Black women, I’m was tired in the play-offs. No defence at all possible with respect to the racism. With the tired comment, he somehow got his energy back, on the long trip he immedietely took back to Russia, as he starred for Russia at the World Championships.

He in fact didn’t learn English.

Panatin acted like a complete idiot after Hawks were eliminated. His on-ice party with Tarasenko was on freakin’ NATIONAL TELEVISION. If you think his lack of caring wasn’t noticed by management you better cut back on the herb.

I could do more but the moral of this is none of this is conjecture. What it is, is incontrovertible information.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Nov 16 @ 2:33 PM ET
You are absolutely wrong. You should have done some research before posting as connected people said lots. In any event, in any situation where you are not standing beside the person, taking in what is happening first hand, there can still be loads of information that is incontrovertible.

Incontrovertible information:

Panarin was deemed expendable, and in fact was traded, by the Hawks after only 2 years. Management specifically gave him a contract equal to Saad’s with no NMC or NTC. Panarin does not get traded if he is viewed as very valuable and a locker-room asset.

Panarin made outrageous statements. Black women, I’m was tired in the play-offs. No defence at all possible with respect to the racism. With the tired comment, he somehow got his energy back, on the long trip he immedietely took back to Russia, as he starred for Russia at the World Championships.

He in fact didn’t learn English.

Panatin acted like a complete idiot after Hawks were eliminated. His on-ice party with Tarasenko was on freakin’ NATIONAL TELEVISION. If you think his lack of caring wasn’t noticed by management you better cut back on the herb.

I could do more but the moral of this is none of this is conjecture. What it is, is incontrovertible information.

- Z3Hawk


So why did Saad, Sharp, Byfuglien, Ladd, Campbell,and Hjallmarsson all get traded away? Bc they were locker room cancers and not valuable on the ice? Or was it bc of the salary cap?
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 2:37 PM ET
I don't know if I believe all the stuff about Panarin ,he sure did piss me off with that comment about feeling tired during the playoffs then runs over Sea's to play his heart out for mother Russia .

I may be mistaken and probably am but I thought there was something about Panarin deal that prohibited a NMC or NTC in that deal .
For what it worth I have a sneaky suspicion that Stan has a plan to bring Panarin back ,call me crazy but not use cap money to the fullest is not Stan MO .
I am not Panarin biggest fan endless he is filling the net for the HAWKS .Stocking up on young fast Defenseman and bringing in a sniper like Parnarin to add to Kane Toews DBC Saad and maybe a few others could light some fire under this Team fast ..

- oldduffman


Since you asked - you’re crazy. Just kidding. However, the polar ice-caps will completely melt before the Hawks re-sign Panarin.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 2:45 PM ET
So why did Saad, Sharp, Byfuglien, Ladd, Campbell,and Hjallmarsson all get traded away? Bc they were locker room cancers and not valuable on the ice? Or was it bc of the salary cap?
- EnzoD


Are you familiar with the term “Apples and Oranges”? Panarin is the same as the classy Ladd? Please. That some great players got traded because of the Cap, this has no connection to Panarin. Name even one controversy surrounding these great players.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Nov 16 @ 3:02 PM ET
I saw this morning...Kruger is off IR and Davidson is on IR.

Lineup this morning

Scott Powers

Verified account

@ByScottPowers
1h1 hour ago
More
Blackhawks lineup during the morning skate

Schmaltz-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Kampf-Kahun
Saad-Anisimov-Hayden
Kunitz-Kruger-Martinsen

Keith-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Manning-Forsling

- breadbag


If Fortin isn't going to play they should send him back to Rockford.

Martinsen over Johnson?
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 3:09 PM ET
Why should he be treated as a child? If I wish to work in Quebec or Italy or Japan I’m going to need to learn to speak French, Italian or Japanese. I wouldn’t expect anyone to treat me like a child.

If the Hawks management had wanted Panarin they would not have traded him after only 2 years.

- Z3Hawk


Z3, my man, as objective as you say you are towards the game, why don't you treat the players the same? Let me give you the rundown on some things. Don't take this as talking down, it's the teacher in me coming through.

YOU would learn another language, an older man who is more accustomed to other's cultures, put yourself in the shoes of a 23-24 year old who only has a Russian mode of thinking. He only knows what his grandfather taught him, hockey related things, nothing on how to get ahead in America. There are social skills and codes of conduct in America that he doesn't know, as a child wouldn't know until taught by parents, right?

In regards to language, English, can you think of a harder language to learn? And you want him learning it in less than a summer? That's not fair. If you can't speak it, you can't read it and you can't write it, that all takes place on the same side of the brain. Children are awesome at learning language, they have the plasticity and neuro connections are much easier to make, when you are 20 or older, that's harder to do. Learning a new language, especially a bastage like English, it will be incredibly difficult. Dyslexia is incredibly high in English, no other language. The languages you listed are way easier to learn. When it comes to different things I observed with him, the way he goes about them should be viewed like how you do with a child.

Panarin seems like a homesick kid to me, one where he has to be surrounded by a Russian community and players, I have no problem with that. As Americans, most do, we are an elitist country. Learn our language, learn our customs, leave your problems outside our borders ... yadda. We make judgments on people's language/speech among many other things. I think of the Rush lyrics from the song witch hunt, "Quick to judge, quick to anger, but slow to understand."
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Nov 16 @ 3:10 PM ET
If Fortin isn't going to play they should send him back to Rockford.

Martinsen over Johnson?

- DarthKane

Oh ya I play 29 over Johnson . I May play Johnson over Kuntiz or even Kahan
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 3:12 PM ET
I saw this morning...Kruger is off IR and Davidson is on IR.

Lineup this morning

Scott Powers

Verified account

@ByScottPowers
1h1 hour ago
More
Blackhawks lineup during the morning skate

Schmaltz-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Kampf-Kahun
Saad-Anisimov-Hayden
Kunitz-Kruger-Martinsen

Keith-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Manning-Forsling

- breadbag


Thanks BB, still that first line ...
No Fortin or Johnson????
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Nov 16 @ 3:14 PM ET
He's very good at it.

- bogiedoc



I'll be giving sarcasm lessons tomorrow at 5:00pm.

oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Nov 16 @ 3:17 PM ET
Since you asked - you’re crazy. Just kidding. However, the polar ice-caps will completely melt before the Hawks re-sign Panarin.
- Z3Hawk

Yes I am Crazy when it comes to matters of the HAWK . But that polar ice cap melt may be closer then we all think .. Little voice and some spider tingling's make me think it not out of the question .

But for now BEAT those stinking LA things ..GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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