Yeah we've had a ton of success. Letting Crosby and Malkin, and probably Letang and hopefully Kessel finish their careers here is more important to me than accelerating a rebuild.
- Victoro311

Agreed whole heartedly!

Zucc is a BIG no from me! I don't want to add any more age to this team at the cost of youth...hell let's just let Sprong fail in the lineup if that's what's eventually going to happen...I'd rather see him play with Crosby and Malkin a bit more than see him moved for another veteran player whose not going to be the missing piece for a cup.

My God Bernard, this is a revelation. Did you come up with this or did you read it on My Space? I need to check them out.
- stowerkraut

Nice retort. Many Pens fans are like spoiled children. Three cups in a decade. Now, when things look to be finally going south, they can't handle it. The funny part is, most of these fans have never actually played the game. (Street hockey doesn't count, fella)

Yeah we've had a ton of success. Letting Crosby and Malkin, and probably Letang and hopefully Kessel finish their careers here is more important to me than accelerating a rebuild.
- Victoro311

I think the Pens can make some profound changes without auctioning off too much. I think moving two or three key players out and replacing them with fresh faces is possible.

As the old story goes at this point, even with Brass eventually coming back, they need to upgrade the the bottom six a little as well as injecting some life into this stale lineup with replacing some other key players.

Phil Kessel got a Gordie last night. That’s all I really care about.
- Victoro311

He didn't get a penalty for fighting. Roughing dbl minor

Day of reckoning is cool with me if the pens compete for a cup for another 3-4 years. I’ll completely accept some basement dwelling days after seeing them win 3 cups and go to 4 SCFs in 15-20 years. Better than most teams.
- j.boyd919

Absolutely. I would take one cup and then accept a decade of futility. It's so hard to win these days. 31 teams with a salary cap that provides an even playing field for all.

Yeah we've had a ton of success. Letting Crosby and Malkin, and probably Letang and hopefully Kessel finish their careers here is more important to me than accelerating a rebuild.
- Victoro311

I will flip poop if Malkin is ever traded away. Crosby is a given to retire a Penguin. Geno is always talked about like he's dying to leave and management is always looking for the right trade to offload him (if you read the internet at least). He absolutely should spend his entire career in Pittsburgh, and retire a Penguin. End of discussion.

And Kessel...goddammit, I want his number in the rafters. I'm not even joking. One day I want to see Jagr's number, Sid's, Geno's, and Phil's. And Fleury's.

Agreed whole heartedly!

Zucc is a BIG no from me! I don't want to add any more age to this team at the cost of youth...hell let's just let Sprong fail in the lineup if that's what's eventually going to happen...I'd rather see him play with Crosby and Malkin a bit more than see him moved for another veteran player whose not going to be the missing piece for a cup.
- iworkatinitech

Eh I don't know. I said I don't want to blow it up and sell off our stars for assets for a sake of a rebuild, not that I'm cool with standing completely pat and not trying to compete. I still think this core might have one more in them. I'm perfectly fine taking swings these last two or three years and then accepting our window as shut so long as I never have to see Sid or Geno in a different sweater.

Nice retort. Many Pens fans are like spoiled children. Three cups in a decade. Now, when things look to be finally going south, they can't handle it. The funny part is, most of these fans have never actually played the game. (Street hockey doesn't count, fella)
- BernardShakey

Where is the "can't handle it" you're speaking of?

Aging core. Unsettled goaltending. Nothing of note in Wilkes-Barre. I’m not sure any trade helps the Pens this year but rest assured, GMJR will try something. Unfortunately he’s had more misses than hits lately so buckle up. Looks like it’s going to be a loooong season.

I think the Pens can make some profound changes without auctioning off too much. I think moving two or three key players out and replacing them with fresh faces is possible.

As the old story goes at this point, even with Brass eventually coming back, they need to upgrade the the bottom six a little as well as injecting some life into this stale lineup with replacing some other key players.
- Rinosaur

Hornqvist might be a good trade chip. He seems to have seriously declined more than I was prepared for him to between last season and this season, but I don't think his contract is noticeably bad yet around the league since he's still putting up points. If we could swing Hornqvist for a middle pairing RD, I'd take it and run. BINGO seemed to be pretty into Hornqvist for Faulk, which I think would be an excellent trade for the Pens and would actually shed cap to make another move for a forward at the deadline.

We just extended The Old Man for 3 years.

We just extended The Old Man for 3 years.
- Victoro311

Pardon?

EDIT. Holy sh!t...it was GMJR you were talking about. Unreal.

Nice retort. Many Pens fans are like spoiled children. Three cups in a decade. Now, when things look to be finally going south, they can't handle it. The funny part is, most of these fans have never actually played the game. (Street hockey doesn't count, fella)
- BernardShakey

Who’s angry? Aren’t you the one here making salty comments and talking about “Gary’s gift.” Pot callin the kettle black eh? Talk about funny hahaha

Nice retort. Many Pens fans are like spoiled children. Three cups in a decade. Now, when things look to be finally going south, they can't handle it. The funny part is, most of these fans have never actually played the game. (Street hockey doesn't count, fella)
- BernardShakey

nEvEr AcTuAlLy PlAyEd ThE gAmE

We just extended The Old Man for 3 years.
- Victoro311

Not sure how I feel about that.

We just extended The Old Man for 3 years.
- Victoro311

Not a wise move...I think this turns into more picks for vets moves for the next 3 years.

Sully actually loaded up lines a bit last night.

I'd like to see this tried out. Sid and Phil have looked good together.

Simon Sid Kessel
Jake Geno Rust
Hags Sheahan Horny

Phil has to come off the 3rd line so we can have at least 2 good lines.

We just extended The Old Man for 3 years.
- Victoro311

(frank)ing dumb

Not sure how I feel about that.
- j.boyd919

I think the 1-5 in the last 6 is effecting my feelings on this a bit...plus JJ and Cullen hahah...I also think that if they were 1st in the division right now I wouldnt feel as negative. Thats not to say I'm totally doom and gloom about this, it's just I didnt think he'd be there that much longer and also, in this what have you done for me lately world we live in, his moves the past year and a halfish haven't been very good.

I still have the ability to hang my hat on his BTB cups though...for now...

Id trade Sprong+1st for Duchene.....not Zucs.

The team is getting older, the window is starting to close. 3 yrs max before this group is just too slow all around. Its starting to show, you need young blood around. Zucs is not that person.

Pens need another top 4 Dman and a good under 30 F......SHultz solves the first problem in a few months.

I think the 1-5 in the last 6 is effecting my feelings on this a bit...plus JJ and Cullen hahah...I also think that if they were 1st in the division right now I wouldnt feel as negative. Thats not to say I'm totally doom and gloom about this, it's just I didnt think he'd be there that much longer and also, in this what have you done for me lately world we live in, his moves the past year and a halfish haven't been very good.

I still have the ability to hang my hat on his BTB cups though...for now...
- MattStrat

Just looking back at his last 7-8 moves...

JJ
Cullen
Hunwick
Reaves
Brassard
Oleksiak
Trading away Sheary

I dunno. He did well on what.. 2 of those? I mean acquiring Brassard was a solid move but he can’t stay healthy. Oleksiak has been okay. But other than that... the rest have been trash. So sure he won BtB cups. I’m happy about that. But he won them making progressive moves and getting lucky on the way but (frank), it seems like he has zero direction on how he wants to build this team moving forward.

Just looking back at his last 7-8 moves...

JJ
Cullen
Hunwick
Reaves
Brassard
Oleksiak
Trading away Sheary

I dunno. He did well on what.. 2 of those? I mean acquiring Brassard was a solid move but he can’t stay healthy. Oleksiak has been okay. But other than that... the rest have been trash. So sure he won BtB cups. I’m happy about that. But he won them making progressive moves and getting lucky on the way but (frank), it seems like he has zero direction on how he wants to build this team moving forward.
- j.boyd919

I agree with all of this other than I have yet to see enough from DB (in the time he's been on the ice, which is approaching BB levels) that warranted his acquisition costs. Using DB as the type of positive move on a go-forward basis to me is not promising.

Just looking back at his last 7-8 moves...

JJ
Cullen
Hunwick
Reaves
Brassard
Oleksiak
Trading away Sheary

I dunno. He did well on what.. 2 of those? I mean acquiring Brassard was a solid move but he can’t stay healthy. Oleksiak has been okay. But other than that... the rest have been trash. So sure he won BtB cups. I’m happy about that. But he won them making progressive moves and getting lucky on the way but (frank), it seems like he has zero direction on how he wants to build this team moving forward.
- j.boyd919

That's what scares me the most.

I agree with all of this other than I have yet to see enough from DB (in the time he's been on the ice, which is approaching BB levels) that warranted his acquisition costs. Using DB as the type of positive move on a go-forward basis to me is not promising.
- iworkatinitech

That’s kind of why I expounded upon it. On the surface it was a solid move (prior to him getting here.) while the results have been underwhelming. Meanwhile prior to most of the other moves you could have foreseen no positives out of the rest. Ya know?

Hornqvist might be a good trade chip. He seems to have seriously declined more than I was prepared for him to between last season and this season, but I don't think his contract is noticeably bad yet around the league since he's still putting up points. If we could swing Hornqvist for a middle pairing RD, I'd take it and run. BINGO seemed to be pretty into Hornqvist for Faulk, which I think would be an excellent trade for the Pens and would actually shed cap to make another move for a forward at the deadline.
- Victoro311

I agree here. As much of a fan of Maatta I am, I’d throw him in the mix as well. Again, this is more because of the stale nature of the team. You could possibly get a mid-tier winger I think.