Skjei has been brutal in the NHL and makes more $ than Reilly - pass on this deal. If Carolina has a boner for Nylander - let them pay Hamilton - a bit soft, has size and skill - can learn to play tougher.
- winsix

Brutal is def not the right word, and his deal looks fair as of now...

For a while we was pretty sure Skjei was a future #1. It's more of a hope now. For sure he can still develop into a proper #1, but more likely a 2nd pairing guy.

Why the fack are the leafs going after an old slow staal in the nylander trade?

Jesus people.
- Fakepartofme

agreed!

42 goals and 76 points with a 3.5 million cap hit. He's nearly a point a game over a long career and he's 34. As a fourth line C and a 2nd power play unit guy - would be a big add IMO . He would be a great add at the TDL. Nylander has to get you a long term piece. My choice from Canes would be Hamilton, and Dumba from Minny. I know you like Trouba - but I don't see Jets trading him with Myers being sh!t and Buffalo head approaching retirement.
- winsix

Ya the jets arent trading trouba i would think

Yeah lets just completely ignore health professionals on this

HB poster with a "feeling" is much more reliable

Read my earlier post about the doctor on Matthews...The doctor who has treated multiple NHL players and knows a thing or two about his profession.
- Santo_44

Cool.
Not questioning the doc. Just pointing out that he has been injured almost on a yearly basis.

Not sure what this has to do with playoff revenue but as we stand they have the 3rd best record in the NHL.

Them trading Dumba and Staal for Nylander makes them worse
- walshyleafsfan

They won't trade Staal unless they are out of contention. Where they are now and where they will be in April might be different. Do you think they will finish ahead of the Jets, Avalanche, Stars, Sharks and Ducks? I'm not convinced. I think they will be fighting for the last playoff spot or maybe be out of it. If they are out of it - Staal will be moved, they may also move him even if they are in contention. They would like Nylander for sure, Spurgeon is not enough, but Dumba would probably be enough to get it done. If Staal moves at the TDL - its a late first and two prospects - and Leafs can afford that.

Cool.
Not questioning the doc. Just pointing out that he has been injured almost on a yearly basis.
- Fakepartofme

Bad luck.

Now if you are one of those who think that bad luck follows people then all the power to you.

However I do not. The facts say it was bad luck he got injured and is a common injury for hockey players. Also that the injury does not weaken the shoulder in any way.

Brutal is def not the right word, and his deal looks fair as of now...

For a while we was pretty sure Skjei was a future #1. It's more of a hope now. For sure he can still develop into a proper #1, but more likely a 2nd pairing guy.
- 21peter

He's better off with the rangers - He is a project, rangers are honestly a project team right now. They have to move out some old, get younger, faster and they will be ok. Also King Henrik needs to be gone. He is no longer earning his salary. And when the top salary of your team is a goalie and past the best before date - its trouble.

He's better off with the rangers - He is a project, rangers are honestly a project team right now. They have to move out some old, get younger, faster and they will be ok. Also King Henrik needs to be gone. He is no longer earning his salary. And when the top salary of your team is a goalie and past the best before date - its trouble.
- winsix

We're 'in the middle' of a rebuild and will hopefully pick up another low draft pick.
Henrik is going nowhere and is doing fine.

Bad luck.

Now if you are one of those who think that bad luck follows people then all the power to you.

However I do not. The facts say it was bad luck he got injured and is a common injury for hockey players. Also that the injury does not weaken the shoulder in any way.
- Santo_44

Ok
But the facts also show hes been injured almost on a yearly basis. If this was a young Canucks star, every leaf fan would be calling him injury prone.
I dont believe matthews is iniury prone, just pointing out what the poster allude to.

Ok
But the facts also show hes been injured almost on a yearly basis. If this was a young Canucks star, every leaf fan would be calling him injury prone.
I dont believe matthews is iniury prone, just pointing out what the poster allude to.
- Fakepartofme

Again, igoring everything I just said.

The shoulder injuries were the same type of injuries but different shoulders. Both were complete luck. So those injuries you say on a yearly basis? luck.

and you mean like Brock Boeser? lol I don't hear one leaf fan calling him injury prone....nice try there though

Bad luck.

Now if you are one of those who think that bad luck follows people then all the power to you.

However I do not. The facts say it was bad luck he got injured and is a common injury for hockey players. Also that the injury does not weaken the shoulder in any way.
- Santo_44

Shoulders are tough, known quite a few guys that had to quit junior due to them. Not saying that’s AM’s case but it’s not always fixed and case closed.

We're 'in the middle' of a rebuild and will hopefully pick up another low draft pick.
Henrik is going nowhere and is doing fine.
- 21peter

Problem is he makes $8.5 large a year and doesn't play like a king any more. More like fart the messenger boy.

Shoulders are tough, known quite a few guys that had to quit junior due to them. Not saying that’s AM’s case but it’s not always fixed and case closed.
- Garnie

Most of the time when they’re talking about a separated shoulder, they’re talking about the AC joint,” said Dr. Ron Noy, a highly regarded orthopedic surgeon based out of Manhattan who has treated many NHL players with shoulder injuries over the years. “It’s a grade one or two sprain for the most part in professional athletes. You’re just waiting for the inflammation to come down, and it should be fine.”

Most importantly, the injury is not the type that’s considered to typically be chronic or recurring. It also shouldn’t cause Matthews to lose any strength or ability in his dominant hand and arm — as a left shot — beyond the short recovery period.

The fact Matthews has had shoulder injuries twice in back-to-back seasons is likely more an unfortunate circumstance than anything to worry about long term.

“This is purely a traumatic (impact) thing,” Dr. Noy said. “It’s common in hockey. It’s not something that anybody else wouldn’t have gotten an injury on with the exact same mechanism. I don’t think it’s of any concern about his future, like he’s going to be an injury problem (consistently) at all.

“I’d be more concerned if his shoulder dislocated. As a 21-year-old, if you dislocate your shoulder, and you have a labral tear, then more than likely, he would have needed his labrum fixed (surgically to prevent it from becoming a chronic issue) … But this isn’t a genetic thing. It didn’t look like that kind of injury. He just looks like he’s in some pain.”


and this is from someone who actually knows what he is talking about and the situation...not some random guy with no knowledge on the situation saying otherwise.

Most of the time when they’re talking about a separated shoulder, they’re talking about the AC joint,” said Dr. Ron Noy, a highly regarded orthopedic surgeon based out of Manhattan who has treated many NHL players with shoulder injuries over the years. “It’s a grade one or two sprain for the most part in professional athletes. You’re just waiting for the inflammation to come down, and it should be fine.”

Most importantly, the injury is not the type that’s considered to typically be chronic or recurring. It also shouldn’t cause Matthews to lose any strength or ability in his dominant hand and arm — as a left shot — beyond the short recovery period.

The fact Matthews has had shoulder injuries twice in back-to-back seasons is likely more an unfortunate circumstance than anything to worry about long term.

“This is purely a traumatic (impact) thing,” Dr. Noy said. “It’s common in hockey. It’s not something that anybody else wouldn’t have gotten an injury on with the exact same mechanism. I don’t think it’s of any concern about his future, like he’s going to be an injury problem (consistently) at all.

“I’d be more concerned if his shoulder dislocated. As a 21-year-old, if you dislocate your shoulder, and you have a labral tear, then more than likely, he would have needed his labrum fixed (surgically to prevent it from becoming a chronic issue) … But this isn’t a genetic thing. It didn’t look like that kind of injury. He just looks like he’s in some pain.”


and this is from someone who actually knows what he is talking about and the situation...not some random guy with no knowledge on the situation saying otherwise.
- Santo_44

I seen that

Problem is he makes $8.5 large a year and doesn't play like a king any more. More like fart the messenger boy.
- winsix

Point is; if he want to stay during the rebuild, that's his call. He's been the teams best player for 10 f'n years and is probably the single biggest reason that the Rangers are worth more than the Leafs...!

Point is; if he want to stay during the rebuild, that's his call. He's been the teams best player for 10 f'n years and is probably the single biggest reason that the Rangers are worth more than the Leafs...!
- 21peter

not for long, our time is now

Again, igoring everything I just said.

The shoulder injuries were the same type of injuries but different shoulders. Both were complete luck. So those injuries you say on a yearly basis? luck.

and you mean like Brock Boeser? lol I don't hear one leaf fan calling him injury prone....nice try there though
- Santo_44

Oh luck.
No i wasnt pointing to a specific canuck player just an example.
Lupul was proned to various random bad luck injuries.
Over the course of matthews short career, hes been proned to bad luck injuries.
Will it continue?
Dunno.
Hope not.
Not implying it will.
Just pointing out what has occured thus far.

not for long, our time is now

- winsix

5+
Willie
Buston Glassthews
Leafs D
Ander10
1967

Point is; if he want to stay during the rebuild, that's his call. He's been the teams best player for 10 f'n years and is probably the single biggest reason that the Rangers are worth more than the Leafs...!
- 21peter

In our defence, we did suck for 10 years though.
It should start to turn around now.

5+
Willie
Buston Glassthews
Leafs D
Ander10
1967

- 21peter

Peter you showed your true colours with the LOL posted on EK's site to that idiot from Calgary's post. And Idiot from Godard's 1910 classification. Read the fine print.

Peter you showed your true colours with the LOL posted on EK's site to that idiot from Calgary's post. And Idiot from Godard's 1910 classification. Read the fine print.



- winsix

nice one, winsix

nice one, winsix
- 21peter

I wonder how helpless one would have to be to not have the intellect to climb the step of self-preservation. Perhaps peeling a banana would be too much of a challenge.

I wonder how helpless one would have to be to not have the intellect to climb the step of self-preservation. Perhaps peeling a banana would be too much of a challenge.
- winsix

when saying 'peeling a banana', you move into dangerous territory...
https://imgur.com/gallery/xkRM0BS

42 goals and 76 points with a 3.5 million cap hit. He's nearly a point a game over a long career and he's 34. As a fourth line C and a 2nd power play unit guy - would be a big add IMO . He would be a great add at the TDL. Nylander has to get you a long term piece. My choice from Canes would be Hamilton, and Dumba from Minny. I know you like Trouba - but I don't see Jets trading him with Myers being sh!t and Buffalo head approaching retirement.
- winsix

Lol Staal walks into this leafs team and he’s their 4th best forward right now without Nylander, and you think he’s a good add for the 4th line? Kind of confusing. Minny is having a great start to the season and more then likely won’t be moving Staal who is one of their better forwards. Seems like a team that will be looking to add not subtract. If for some reason they were looking to move him, it would be for a haul.

Lol Staal walks into this leafs team and he’s their 4th best forward right now without Nylander, and you think he’s a good add for the 4th line? Kind of confusing. Minny is having a great start to the season and more then likely won’t be moving Staal who is one of their better forwards. Seems like a team that will be looking to add not subtract. If for some reason they were looking to move him, it would be for a haul.
- ClarksonDavid

As I stated, Staal would only be traded as a trade deadline deal - there is no confusion. Leafs will likely be looking to add at the TDL, if he's available, Leafs will be in on it IMO. Minny is not a lock to make the playoffs. In terms of what Nylander brings back, I mentioned Dumba - which IMO would be fair. The haul you talk about for a rental is a 1st and a prospect or two IMO.

Edit - At 34 he's not the fourth best forward. He would be the fourth best Centre and not as good as Marner - not even close. I would take Kadri over Staal at this point in their careers as well.