Complete failure if he’s moved
- Mahoney87

Dead wrong.

It's a complete failure if Dubas caves and overpays for a primadonna parameter player who significanty benefited from riding Matthews' coattails. It's an even bigger failure when we have difficulty signing Matthews and Marner who are both far superior to Nylander.

Nylander's asking price is ridiculous. We don't need to make the same mistake many GM's have made. Are you telling me that Nylander is worth ~$1M to $1.5M more than Pastrnak or Gaudreau?!?!?...

NO. (frank)ING. CHANCE.

Gardiner is a UFA and might walk. This wouldn't be a deal made for one season. Gostisbehere might be the best PP quarterback in the NHL. He has his weaknesses for sure especially in the physical game but you don't have to get him to buy into playing defense. The Leafs would be foolish to turn the deal down. It's not one I want the Flyers to make however.
- MJL

The thing with Babcock is he makes you be good in your own zone before you see powerplay time.
Rielly - great jr career, huge offensive potential. Doesn’t see a lick of powerplay for the first 2 years under Babcock. Makes him learn defence before he take him off the leash.

Kadri - huge offensive potential but Babcock again made him learn defence and be a team player. They said kadri and the best hands when he arrived as a kid to the leafs. Babcock turned him into a two-way shutdown Center.

Matthews - obviously great offensively, Babcock sheltered him first year. Next year gave him more defensive responsibilities and makes him play defence. He’ll be the next Bergeron in a couple years while scoring 40-50 goals a year.

Dermott - great offensive ability but again Babcock puts him on a short leash. Needs him to be great defensively before he lets him go offensively.

There is so many examples of this with Babcock. I just think ghost would have a leash put on him for awhile and he wouldn’t have the offensive output like he does with philly. Leafs fan would then harp on him for a long time. I honestly rather just keep nylander.

The thing with Babcock is he makes you be good in your own zone before you see powerplay time.
Rielly - great jr career, huge offensive potential. Doesn’t see a lick of powerplay for the first 2 years under Babcock. Makes him learn defence before he take him off the leash.

Kadri - huge offensive potential but Babcock again made him learn defence and be a team player. They said kadri and the best hands when he arrived as a kid to the leafs. Babcock turned him into a two-way shutdown Center.

Matthews - obviously great offensively, Babcock sheltered him first year. Next year gave him more defensive responsibilities and makes him play defence. He’ll be the next Bergeron in a couple years while scoring 40-50 goals a year.

Dermott - great offensive ability but again Babcock puts him on a short leash. Needs him to be great defensively before he lets him go offensively.

There is so many examples of this with Babcock. I just think ghost would have a leash put on him for awhile and he wouldn’t have the offensive output like he does with philly. Leafs fan would then harp on him for a long time. I honestly rather just keep nylander.
- bryant

Gostisbehere is not a rookie, he is a proven NHL defenseman.

Matthews in his rookie season was second on the Leafs in PP ice time per game behind only Jake Gardiner.

Willy has proven his out of pocket loss is about principle & getting what he wants. Many can argue that virtue or simply accept it. Doesn’t matter what ppl think he is worth contractually. He has proven if nothing else he is sticking to his guns. It will hurt the Leafs especially if more injuries. AM down & seemingly injury prone only exasperates the situation. The D won’t fix itself & be helped by standing pat & trading is very difficult at the best of times in the cap era. Other GM’s hold the cards not Dubas. Top 6 Wingers are in demand but this is unique & will be complicated.
- Nighthawk

What I mean to say is, Willy won't help the Defense, and their offense is just fine... so other GMs don't hold the cards, Toronto can just let him sit out the season.

Remember when the media kept saying Nylander was going to get 8+ million? Then they report a month ago the offer was 5 from the Leafs. Now they are saying an injury prone Matthews is going to get McD $. No. Missing 20 games a year means your not worth 10 let alone 12. This game will happen again if Matthews holds out. Leafs need grit and size on D. Trading Nylander for Parayko makes the most sense, and St.Louis is looking desperate on the ice.

Pretty much the entire league would be lined up to see if they could acquire that unreliable player.
- MJL

Even if you were only getting him for 60-65 games a year you still do it, maybe you "only" pay him $9M or $10M instead of $12M or $13M.

I love it

Hilarious reading butt hurt fans who obsess over hating the Leafs

We all need the comedy relief so keep them coming
- Santo_44

I love how the Leafs have been good for a year and... 17 games(sure, they made the playoffs 2 years ago, but barely, and when more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs it doesn't exactly mean you're good), and all the fans think they're kings of the universe.

THAT is hilarious.

Im tired of hearing and reading all the comments from Leafs fans about the Nylander's saga. They seem to know exactly what will happen for sure in that case, but they aren't. They're also thinking the value of the Swede is sky high and that Dubas will get the moon back for him. No team will sacrifice a #1 or #2 defenseman for a guy who only got 2 back-to-back 61 point campaign with a team packed at the forward position.

Even if Dubas signs Nylander, the defense isn't strong enough to compete for the cup this season. Reilly is the only good D-man on the Leafs squad. Gardiner is an offensively-skilled defenseman but isn't effective in his own zone. Zaitsev is a good two-way D, but sometimes he gets lost defensively. Hainsey is 37 years old and his best days are behind him. He's tired and not a top-4 D anymore. So, if the Leafs don't strenghen up his defensive corps by using Nylander or someone else as a trade asset, you can forget the cup.

Well, I just saw a picture of the leafs gm. Maybe Nylander doesn't want to play for a team that hired a pedophile to run things...holy cow, I guarantee that dink wears skinny jeans
- Pet.m.d.

I bet you’re really good at spotting pedophiles

Im tired of hearing and reading all the comments from Leafs fans about the Nylander's saga. They seem to know exactly what will happen for sure in that case, but they aren't. They're also thinking the value of the Swede is sky high and that Dubas will get the moon back for him. No team will sacrifice a #1 or #2 defenseman for a guy who only got 2 back-to-back 61 point campaign with a team packed at the forward position.

Even if Dubas signs Nylander, the defense isn't strong enough to compete for the cup this season. Reilly is the only good D-man on the Leafs squad. Gardiner is an offensively-skilled defenseman but isn't effective in his own zone. Zaitsev is a good two-way D, but sometimes he gets lost defensively. Hainsey is 37 years old and his best days are behind him. He's tired and not a top-4 D anymore. So, if the Leafs don't strenghen up his defensive corps by using Nylander or someone else as a trade asset, you can forget the cup.
- batman8990

And yet you know for sure!

I love how the Leafs have been good for a year and... 17 games(sure, they made the playoffs 2 years ago, but barely, and when more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs it doesn't exactly mean you're good), and all the fans think they're kings of the universe.

THAT is hilarious.
- Wetbandit1

Well said.

I love how the Leafs have been good for a year and... 17 games(sure, they made the playoffs 2 years ago, but barely, and when more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs it doesn't exactly mean you're good), and all the fans think they're kings of the universe.

THAT is hilarious.
- Wetbandit1

This is rich

Dead wrong.

It's a complete failure if Dubas caves and overpays for a primadonna parameter player who significanty benefited from riding Matthews' coattails. It's an even bigger failure when we have difficulty signing Matthews and Marner who are both far superior to Nylander.

Nylander's asking price is ridiculous. We don't need to make the same mistake many GM's have made. Are you telling me that Nylander is worth ~$1M to $1.5M more than Pastrnak or Gaudreau?!?!?...

NO. (frank)ING. CHANCE.
- As_I_See_It

You are a good poster sir!!!

This is rich
- nbboy

How so?

Ok, maybe I went a bit too far in saying "all", but a good number of fans think the Leafs' poop don't stink.

It's not just the Leafs, Oilers fans did it too, and I hear nary a peep from them anymore on the Sabres' blogs.

No AssBak! : That is unrealistic Leafs should trade Willy for the elite player the Nucks picked two spots ahead of him the immortal Jake Virtanen and his beauty 43 career points in 158 games. Now he's elite. And how about the superstar Juolevi. That's it Leafs can trade Marner, Nylander and throw in two firsts for Virtanen and Juolevi and the Nucks will graciously throw in that defensive sensation (and he scores about 10-20 points a year) drum roll please ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tanev.
- winsix

It is Shotgun Jake to you my friend. We selected him specifically for the purpose of shotgunning beer

Also, Shotgun Jake currently has more goals than Marner and Kadri

Im tired of hearing and reading all the comments from Leafs fans about the Nylander's saga. They seem to know exactly what will happen for sure in that case, but they aren't. They're also thinking the value of the Swede is sky high and that Dubas will get the moon back for him. No team will sacrifice a #1 or #2 defenseman for a guy who only got 2 back-to-back 61 point campaign with a team packed at the forward position.

Even if Dubas signs Nylander, the defense isn't strong enough to compete for the cup this season. Reilly is the only good D-man on the Leafs squad. Gardiner is an offensively-skilled defenseman but isn't effective in his own zone. Zaitsev is a good two-way D, but sometimes he gets lost defensively. Hainsey is 37 years old and his best days are behind him. He's tired and not a top-4 D anymore. So, if the Leafs don't strenghen up his defensive corps by using Nylander or someone else as a trade asset, you can forget the cup.
- batman8990

What do you mean by "they seem to know exactly what will happen"? Are you talking about the contract or what he'll do as a player?

I agree that they need help on D, but signing Nylander is still a very important part of the Leafs competing for a cup. Hockey is a team game so every piece matters and I think they're weaker if they trade for a D man, unless they are able to steal a top pairing Dman from a desperate GM, but I highly doubt that happens.

How so?

Ok, maybe I went a bit too far in saying "all", but a good number of fans think the Leafs' poop don't stink.

It's not just the Leafs, Oilers fans did it too, and I hear nary a peep from them anymore on the Sabres' blogs.
- Wetbandit1

That’s the majority of sports fans in general all fan bases can be douches and Buffalo is no different and especially if the team is enjoying success....it’s just annoying if your team isn’t doing well but theirs is

It is Shotgun Jake to you my friend. We selected him specifically for the purpose of shotgunning beer

Also, Shotgun Jake currently has more goals than Marner and Kadri
- Bakwas

Those Clearbrook cans are hilarious.

How so?

Ok, maybe I went a bit too far in saying "all", but a good number of fans think the Leafs' poop don't stink.

It's not just the Leafs, Oilers fans did it too, and I hear nary a peep from them anymore on the Sabres' blogs.
- Wetbandit1

All fans do it, yes even the Sabres, I the Leaf fan base is just large so you see it more. Not bragging or anything, cause it isn't something to brag about, it's just part of why you'd see it more than a fan of a less popular team.

All fans do it, yes even the Sabres, I the Leaf fan base is just large so you see it more. Not bragging or anything, cause it isn't something to brag about, it's just part of why you'd see it more than a fan of a less popular team.
- 13sundin13

That's true, 10% of a 5M people is a hell of a lot more than 10% of 1M. I still think Toronto has a bit more than the usual.

You do know that they could trade JT tomorrow for a crapload of young players and picks, right?

JT, the guy they acquired for nothing

So, you’re bitter AND dumb
- AxlRose91

And he has no money - eats sh!tty greasy burgers at McDonalds.

Not dumb an idiot according to the 1910 Godard clasification. Cannot climb the step of self preservation.

I love how the Leafs have been good for a year and... 17 games(sure, they made the playoffs 2 years ago, but barely, and when more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs it doesn't exactly mean you're good), and all the fans think they're kings of the universe.

THAT is hilarious.
- Wetbandit1

I think that season two years ago - that you are being dismissive about was probably the same year that Buffalo (2 years into their rebuild) were at least a year ahead of the Leafs in progress and a shoo in to make the post season. Wow, imagine your good fortune - you missed two playoffs and won the lottery that Tim missed out on. As a bonus how much salary is the Sabres owner Terry Fungoola paying coaches and former GMs to not hang around these days.

Now that is hilarious

I love how the Leafs have been good for a year and... 17 games(sure, they made the playoffs 2 years ago, but barely, and when more than half the teams in the league make the playoffs it doesn't exactly mean you're good), and all the fans think they're kings of the universe.

THAT is hilarious.
- Wetbandit1

The reason that the season 2 years ago was a special season was because they wen't from dead last, to the playoffs, off a 40 goal season from their #1 pick... The Leafs are good, but not without their faults. But make no mistake, this team I can see being a good team for around a decade. With or without Nylander.

As for getting a #1 D for Nylander, ain't gonna happen. Probably be able to swing for a #3-4 D, if they want a true #1 Dman Toronto will have to add more, starting with a 1st round pick. And sorry to say, most of those guys aren't on the market.

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any habs rumours?!?














nuff said

FIRST!!!














any habs rumours?!?














nuff said
- Skalapy

Who cares about the habz anymore? Any canadian team rumors?