A season ticket holder calling someone an idiot. Now that is pure gold.

This tea leaf is funny logic.

If i was Dubas, I would tell other GMs in a conversation that the offer before me is not good enough and if that's the best you have, I'll trade him elsewhere.

A season ticket holder calling someone an idiot. Now that is pure gold.
- wreckage

HEY! - giving $20 to the poor never did hurt anyone...

Flyers don't need a shakeup, they need to continue with the plan. Gostisbehere for Nylander does not make sense from the Flyers standpoint.
- MJL

And the plan is to win a playoff round for the first time in six years. 🤠 They need every swinging D ick they can find. ✊

Good cause it's a terrible trade for Toronto
-HealthyScratch

How do you figure? A young 60 point forward for a Dman PPQB that put up 60+ points last year. Clearly the defender has more value here.

Deal doesnt make sense for Philly because Ghost is a big part of their Dcore going forward. As good as Nylander would be, trading a Dman for him is just creating a hole in an area we are trying to fill.

How do you figure? A young 60 point forward for a Dman PPQB that put up 60+ points last year. Clearly the defender has more value here.

Deal doesnt make sense for Philly because Ghost is a big part of their Dcore going forward. As good as Nylander would be, trading a Dman for him is just creating a hole in an area we are trying to fill.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

👍👌👌👌

You are an idiot according to the 1910 Godard classification. If you wish an intellectual discussion please exclude yourself from participation because you do not have the equipment.
- winsix

Big Mac large fries & a diet coke pls
I’ll pull up to the 1st window 👍

Big Mac large fries & a diet coke pls
I’ll pull up to the 1st window 👍
- Nighthawk

Its 6pm...... You gotta pull up to the 2nd window bro!

Its 6pm...... You gotta pull up to the 2nd window bro!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

4pm here now & still no service. Someone go wake up LimpSix 😂😂 or is he holding out for raise too?

How do you figure? A young 60 point forward for a Dman PPQB that put up 60+ points last year. Clearly the defender has more value here.

Deal doesnt make sense for Philly because Ghost is a big part of their Dcore going forward. As good as Nylander would be, trading a Dman for him is just creating a hole in an area we are trying to fill.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Leafs run 4 forwards and 1 d on the powerplay. Both their quarterbacks at the momemt (Rielly, gardiner) put up over 50 points last year. Ghost might not even see powerplay time with the leafs this year unless someone gets injured.

Babcock would also be having a field day with ghost for awhile trying to get him buying into playing defence.

I wouldn’t do the trade from a leafs perspective.

Being a fan of the flames we got hannafin at a STEAL, yes time will tell but looks awfully good....Too bad leafs!!

I think how they treat nylander ends up influencing the entire team. They give him lots of money now, marner and Matthews will want much more, they trade him, they will think they are expendable and probably not sign up long term as they cant get NTC.

The leafs need defense at all costs and seems to me that all teams know that and wont pay for the leafs issue to fix the leafs....Not their team neither would I.
- Donovan

WN put up 60+ pointers despite not having AMats as his primary center for 20+ games. He’s NOT “an issue to fix”

WN put up 60+ pointers despite not having AMats as his primary center for 20+ games. He’s NOT “an issue to fix”
- Turnitaround

True & the issue is cap space. Domino effect Dubas created signing JT. The Leafs are deeper & more dangerous but still need D & cap control is on Dubas & nobody else. The signing automatically meant having to lose Gardiner or trade Willy. Other GM’s are not dumb & will not be forced into a trade.

You hearing voices in that cavern of a skull of yours? When the Leafs don’t wear out Freddie & they stop fishing the puck out of the net maybe the 2nd round & higher is realistic. Get some thicker skin btw

Paying JT & knowing AM will get paid is simple math for most but not some ppl.
Cue the kneejerkers...
- Nighthawk

You do know that they could trade JT tomorrow for a crapload of young players and picks, right?

JT, the guy they acquired for nothing

So, you’re bitter AND dumb

My take is very obvious...

Dubas has to control the cap albeit that’s very difficult given JT’s deal.
He knew that going in & it would mean losing someone sooner or later.
Already lost JVR & Bozak for nothing when standing pat & that won’t happen again.
So ride it out with Willy or trade him has come down to this & trading him seems inevitable since both sides are entrenched. If Dubas didn’t foresee this & have a plan in mind he was sorely deluded.

Moving onto what the return will be or what is wanted.
1st off getting a young elite D man in return is slim to none.
Every team sees them as cost control & golden.
Is Willy worth that to a team out there?
I highly doubt it or who can afford that?
Philly is a possibility but Hextall is no fool & won’t overpay knowing he isn’t forced.
Do the Leafs settle for a lateral move?
Again doubtful as in who would that be?
Picks & prospects is next up & the Q is does that help the Leafs now if going for the cup or are they willing to be more patient?
This option is more likely of a deal to get done IMO but idk if Dubas wants it.

In the end by December 1st Willy be gone & for whom or what at this juncture is difficult to predict. Dubas may have to settle for a hockey trade & that would be a shutdown D if a cup run or a package of some other sort.

You do know that they could trade JT tomorrow for a crapload of young players and picks, right?

JT, the guy they acquired for nothing

So, you’re bitter AND dumb
- AxlRose91

Trade JT? That is dumb 😂

You’ve never heard me ever say acquiring a Superstar for free is dumb but the cap implications are just that dumb. Only thing that will change that is a cup & that is far from a certainty. Scoring is & was not the Leafs issue.

As for bitter not at all it’s a figment of your imagination only 😂

What i do hear from you is justification of Dubas like the lemming you are. 👋

My take is very obvious...

Dubas has to control the cap albeit that’s very difficult given JT’s deal.
He knew that going in & it would mean losing someone sooner or later.
Already lost JVR & Bozak for nothing when standing pat & that won’t happen again.
So ride it out with Willy or trade him has come down to this & trading him seems inevitable since both sides are entrenched. If Dubas didn’t foresee this & have a plan in mind he was sorely deluded.

Moving onto what the return will be or what is wanted.
1st off getting a young elite D man in return is slim to none.
Every team sees them as cost control & golden.
Is Willy worth that to a team out there?
I highly doubt it or who can afford that?
Philly is a possibility but Hextall is no fool & won’t overpay knowing he isn’t forced.
Do the Leafs settle for a lateral move?
Again doubtful as in who would that be?
Picks & prospects is next up & the Q is does that help the Leafs now if going for the cup or are they willing to be more patient?
This option is more likely of a deal to get done IMO but idk if Dubas wants it.

In the end by December 1st Willy be gone & for whom or what at this juncture is difficult to predict. Dubas may have to settle for a hockey trade & that would be a shutdown D if a cup run or a package of some other sort.
- Nighthawk

Jvr and bozak weren’t lost for nothing. They were there for a playoff run. They were there own rentals. Everyone knew they wouldn’t be resigning them.
Nylander will most likely get signed by the leafs one way or the other. 1 year, bridge, long term...they’ll figure out the money situation.
Worst case they sit him for a year and make him an example. He’s not bigger then the team.
I don’t see him being traded at all imo. Offers won’t be what the leafs are looking for, and they hold his rights until he is 27. Wait it out.

Leafs run 4 forwards and 1 d on the powerplay. Both their quarterbacks at the momemt (Rielly, gardiner) put up over 50 points last year. Ghost might not even see powerplay time with the leafs this year unless someone gets injured.

Babcock would also be having a field day with ghost for awhile trying to get him buying into playing defence.

I wouldn’t do the trade from a leafs perspective.
- bryant

Gardiner is a UFA and might walk. This wouldn't be a deal made for one season. Gostisbehere might be the best PP quarterback in the NHL. He has his weaknesses for sure especially in the physical game but you don't have to get him to buy into playing defense. The Leafs would be foolish to turn the deal down. It's not one I want the Flyers to make however.

Jvr and bozak weren’t lost for nothing. They were there for a playoff run. They were there own rentals. Everyone knew they wouldn’t be resigning them.
Nylander will most likely get signed by the leafs one way or the other. 1 year, bridge, long term...they’ll figure out the money situation.
Worst case they sit him for a year and make him an example. He’s not bigger then the team.
I don’t see him being traded at all imo. Offers won’t be what the leafs are looking for, and they hold his rights until he is 27. Wait it out.
- bryant

I like your last line best. Grab a comfortable seat Willy. Looks like it'll be a while. Get ready for next season b'y.

Jvr and bozak weren’t lost for nothing. They were there for a playoff run. They were there own rentals. Everyone knew they wouldn’t be resigning them.
Nylander will most likely get signed by the leafs one way or the other. 1 year, bridge, long term...they’ll figure out the money situation.
Worst case they sit him for a year and make him an example. He’s not bigger then the team.
I don’t see him being traded at all imo. Offers won’t be what the leafs are looking for, and they hold his rights until he is 27. Wait it out.
- bryant

That is a good take 👍👍
Risk reward & play hardball most likely

Teams that would want Nylander on their roster: 30.

Teams that would want a 8 million dollar complementary winger: 0

Teams that would want Nylander on their roster: 30.

Teams that would want a 8 million dollar complementary winger: 0
- Whiskey-Tango

Now, Willy needs to understand this too.

Toronto likely won't be hurting too much if Nylander sits a year.

Nylander on the other hand...

Gostisbehere straight up makes some sense. Or Parayko from St Louis. Both teams need a shake up
- AxlRose91

Blues don’t need offense, they need defense. They’re 4th in goals for, but 29th in goals against.

Now, Willy needs to understand this too.
- Cooshie

Pappa won't let him

Toronto likely won't be hurting too much if Nylander sits a year.

Nylander on the other hand...
- Kyleponi23

Willy has proven his out of pocket loss is about principle & getting what he wants. Many can argue that virtue or simply accept it. Doesn’t matter what ppl think he is worth contractually. He has proven if nothing else he is sticking to his guns. It will hurt the Leafs especially if more injuries. AM down & seemingly injury prone only exasperates the situation. The D won’t fix itself & be helped by standing pat & trading is very difficult at the best of times in the cap era. Other GM’s hold the cards not Dubas. Top 6 Wingers are in demand but this is unique & will be complicated.