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Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:09 AM ET
How about the Flyers end the streak of allowing a PP goal against in 9 straight games. Praying for a miracle.
- MJL

Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:10 AM ET
Will be interesting to see how Chicago comes out today. They were horrible early in their first game after the coaching change, but played better as the game went on. The Flyers cannot afford a let down today. These are the kind of teams you need to beat at home if you want to make the playoffs.

My keys for the game:
1. STAY OUT OF THE (frank)ING BOX
This should be self explanatory. Your PK is struggling, big time, try not to take any dumb penalties.

2. Keep the gaps short and play positionally sound hockey.
Too often the Flyers end up running around and have 1, 2 or even 3 players out of position leading to a penalty or a goal in our net. This needs to stop and it needs to stop now.

3. Get the first goal.
Chicago is likely a fragile team. Get one past Crawford early and keep the pressure on the Hawks as much as possible. Play smart, but play aggressive.

GO FLYERS!!

- BiggE

Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:11 AM ET
Let’s go Flyers. Take Thursday’s 3rd/OT periods’ momentum into this one.

This is also the military appreciation game. To all present and former military personnel and their families, thank you for your service to our country.

- jsh139

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 10 @ 11:13 AM ET
i think its in poor taste. to each his/her own
- nastyflyergirl

It is in poor taste, but a pro has to tune it out. Mike Schmidt got booed quite a bit in Philly, but it didn’t stop him from hitting over 500 homers, winning a ton of golden gloves, being an MVP and arguably the best 3rd baseman of all time.

Professional athletes cannot use booing as an excuse for poor or indifferent play. They are highly paid to do a job regardless of how they are booed or cheered.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:13 AM ET
speaking of the military if anyone is looking for a good documentary, check out Netflix's 8 part documentary, Medal of Honor. Some of it is very emotional watching. the bravery is remarkable
- nastyflyergirl

Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:15 AM ET
It was a good article, but some of it, hell most of it, is still on Weise. I think you have a guy coming into town armed with a brand new 9+ million, 4 year deal and he just expected to be a 3rd line winger playing 12-14 minutes a night. Yeah he got suspended, but suck it up. He basically did nothing for 2 full seasons and he really is fortunate that he's not riding buses in the minors right now. I'm glad he's finally earning his paycheck but I don't feel sorry for him in the least.

Look what Scott Laughton did with 9 minutes in the last game. Don't give me it's hard to make an impact playing 8 minutes a night on the 4th line. There's a 123 guys playing on the 4th line in the NHL right now and I doubt they are all going around feeling sorry for themselves. And if they are, here's a (frank)ing reality check for them: There are hundreds of guys playing in the minors who would give their left nut to be in their skates. Every single one of them would be thrilled to have a chance to skate on an NHL team's 4th line, earn NHL money and travel NHL style.

Shut your trap and play, Dale.

- BiggE

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:16 AM ET
It is in poor taste, but a pro has to tune it out. Mike Schmidt got booed quite a bit in Philly, but it didn’t stop him from hitting over 500 homers, winning a ton of golden gloves, being an MVP and arguably the best 3rd baseman of all time.

Professional athletes cannot use booing as an excuse for poor or indifferent play. They are highly paid to do a job regardless of how they are booed or cheered.

- BiggE


I'm in the same corner with you on that. Whether you're playing 6 minutes a game or 12 minutes a game, you can bring the same level of intensity. If you don't like the minutes you're given, earn more. It's just excuses. It's not just about production and goals and assists.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 11:17 AM ET
It made me chuckle a little, l still remember one of my coach’s constantly telling me ....”fight through it kid”....every time I complained about a call.....a player on the other team...a team mate who (frank)ed up....it was always the same response....” fight through it kid”.
He was right. You can only control one thing. Yourself.

- landros 2

I hope your coach knew your name.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Nov 10 @ 11:20 AM ET
The Flyers 60 GA is still a major concern for me, I'd like to see them play better as a five man unit, especially those top six guys.

I like how they stack up against Chicago though, at least today with new coaches and probably new systems.

Go Flyers!!
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:35 AM ET
I hope your coach knew your name.
- Konalover





I’m sure he called me a few things.


Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:36 AM ET
I just profiled Weise on the Flyers' website: https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-301771436
- bmeltzer

Thanks for the article. It’s interesting how little things can throw off a player. There’s such s fine line between success and failure at this level.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 10 @ 11:37 AM ET
It is in poor taste, but a pro has to tune it out. Mike Schmidt got booed quite a bit in Philly, but it didn’t stop him from hitting over 500 homers, winning a ton of golden gloves, being an MVP and arguably the best 3rd baseman of all time.

Professional athletes cannot use booing as an excuse for poor or indifferent play. They are highly paid to do a job regardless of how they are booed or cheered.

- BiggE


I’m fine with booing. I just don’t like it in the player intro’s....or as the guy is walking from his car into the arena.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:46 AM ET
I think that is misreading what Weise is saying there and making it more than what it is. I think he's standing up for his teammates rather than commenting on the coach. Was this something Weise just volunteered, or was it an answer to a question?

If I'm reading what you're trying to say correctly.

- MJL


I’m not trying to be critical of anyone. Just trying to illustrate how things could have broken down for Weise. Everyone was trying to do their jobs, but they were still failing. The coach couldn’t push the player to get what he wanted out of him and the player couldn’t perform the way the coach needed him to. I can see how a player can blame their poor performance on other factors ( a coach, limited minutes, etc.). It’s human nature. The taxi cab confessions video really illustrates it. I think Weise was just defending himself. Maybe a better, more experienced, NHL coach would have done things differently? Maybe it was all on Weise? I don’t know
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
I’m fine with booing. I just don’t like it in the player intro’s....or as the guy is walking from his car into the arena.

- landros 2


I agree, it is no different than any other celebrity. Everyone is a human doing a job no matter what they are getting paid. That doesn't give anyone the right to harass them outside the scope of their job.

Even Justin Bieber! There is no reason BiggE should be allowed to run up to him and hug him while he is eating just because he is a huge fan and knows who he is, none.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 10 @ 11:52 AM ET
My criticism of Weise came from when he was scratch for a significant period of time and he got a chance to play again, he was lifeless and without any fire on the ice. That appearance of a lack of heart or whatever is something that I won't tolerate. If it was me, Weise would've never played again for the Flyers. Based on his recent play, that would've been a poor decision. The question I have is what was the difference or the problem? Seems like a different player.
- MJL


This! His effort at times has just been pathetic and inexcusable.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
Its a garbage move but i think booing Manning opening night a few years back was more ignorant and indicative of the "fans" lack of awareness and knowledge of the game
- KINGKENZO



Amac got booed too. I don't know, I just don't get booing opening night. I mean, there have been players I want to see the Flyers move on from but I just don't get booing someone. I mean, we aren't taking bad people like a billy Tibbits
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
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Nov 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
I agree, it is no different than any other celebrity. Everyone is a human doing a job no matter what they are getting paid. That doesn't give anyone the right to harass them outside the scope of their job.

Even Justin Bieber! There is no reason BiggE should be allowed to run up to him and hug him while he is eating just because he is a huge fan and knows who he is, none.

- Glak18


Little wussy went out and got a restraining order to, (frank) him. That's the last time I'm gonna burn, um I mean buy, any of his records!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 10 @ 11:55 AM ET
It is in poor taste, but a pro has to tune it out. Mike Schmidt got booed quite a bit in Philly, but it didn’t stop him from hitting over 500 homers, winning a ton of golden gloves, being an MVP and arguably the best 3rd baseman of all time.

Professional athletes cannot use booing as an excuse for poor or indifferent play. They are highly paid to do a job regardless of how they are booed or cheered.

- BiggE



not talking about letting it affect your play. Strictly talking about the fans doing it. I don't get it or agree with it under the circumstances of opening night intros. I cringed.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 10 @ 11:55 AM ET
Amac got booed too. I don't know, I just don't get booing opening night. I mean, there have been players I want to see the Flyers move on from but I just don't get booing someone. I mean, we aren't taking bad people like a billy Tibbits
- nastyflyergirl


I don't like it, nor would I do it, but a pro can't use this for an excuse for poor or indifferent play.

edit: missed your last comment, got ya!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:56 AM ET
Pittsburgh:
Matt Murray (G)
Daniel Sprong (W)
Olli Määttä (D)
Carl Hagelin (W)

Philadelphia:
Jakub Voracek (W)
Robert Hagg (D)
Elliott (G)


Ok give me the hot takes....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 10 @ 11:59 AM ET
I’m not trying to be critical of anyone. Just trying to illustrate how things could have broken down for Weise. Everyone was trying to do their jobs, but they were still failing. The coach couldn’t push the player to get what he wanted out of him and the player couldn’t perform the way the coach needed him to. I can see how a player can blame their poor performance on other factors ( a coach, limited minutes, etc.). It’s human nature. The taxi cab confessions video really illustrates it. I think Weise was just defending himself. Maybe a better, more experienced, NHL coach would have done things differently? Maybe it was all on Weise? I don’t know
- Dkos


A coach gives a player an opportunity. What the player does with that opportunity is on the player in my book.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 10 @ 12:01 PM ET
Pittsburgh:
Matt Murray (G)
Daniel Sprong (W)
Olli Määttä (D)
Carl Hagelin (W)

Philadelphia:
Jakub Voracek (W)
Robert Hagg (D)
Elliott (G)


Ok give me the hot takes....

- Glak18


No thanks, Matt Murray's numbers have gotten worse every year since he broke in and I'm not trading Jake for a goalie with issues and a bunch of solid, but nothing special players. If I'm moving Jake I want one of the following coming back:

1. An equivalent star player in a straight up deal

2. 2 good players, both under 26 and 1 under 23, plus a 2nd round pick and the other team takes AMac off of our hands with no more than 25% retention of his deal.

3. A good young player under 23, a 1st round pick and a legitmate solid NHL goalie, plus the other team takes back Neuvirth.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
Pittsburgh:
Matt Murray (G)
Daniel Sprong (W)
Olli Määttä (D)
Carl Hagelin (W)

Philadelphia:
Jakub Voracek (W)
Robert Hagg (D)
Elliott (G)


Ok give me the hot takes....

- Glak18


Strong pass.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 10 @ 12:07 PM ET
No thanks, Matt Murray's numbers have gotten worse every year since he broke in and I'm not trading Jake for a goalie with issues and a bunch of solid, but nothing special players. If I'm moving Jake I want one of the following coming back:

1. An equivalent star player in a straight up deal

2. 2 good players, both under 26 and 1 under 23, plus a 2nd round pick and the other team takes AMac off of our hands with no more than 25% retention of his deal.

3. A good young player under 23, a 1st round pick and a legitmate solid NHL goalie, plus the other team takes back Neuvirth.

- BiggE


Not sure I would do it either, Murray is still young, don't really care about numbers because they don't tell the real story most of the time, but I would be concerned with his injuries recently.

Maatta seems like a parallel move, but with higher cost. Sprong could be risky, whether he can become something in a new situation and Hagelin is a balance, but useful player in the deal.

Pittsburgh is just a tough team to trade with all around with players and cap situation.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 10 @ 12:08 PM ET
Pittsburgh:
Matt Murray (G)
Daniel Sprong (W)
Olli Määttä (D)
Carl Hagelin (W)

Philadelphia:
Jakub Voracek (W)
Robert Hagg (D)
Elliott (G)


Ok give me the hot takes....

- Glak18

Can you share some of your weed?
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