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Tomahawk
Location: No More Tortellini
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 1 @ 6:03 PM ET
Backstrom and Ovi lead teams through playoff series win after playoff series win before getting that cup. This core has won a playoff series once. Going on 7 years ago. That's a wildly significant difference.
- hereticpride


People have such short memories.

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:10 PM ET
People have such short memories.


- Tomahawk


Giroux was inspired by Bryzgalov. Went downhill after he left

Actually think Bryz's presence was good for the team. He took a lot of attention of the the players.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:12 PM ET
Giroux was inspired by Bryzgalov. Went downhill after he left

Actually think Bryz's presence was good for the team. He took a lot of attention of the the players.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


That's why we have Gritty now
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:14 PM ET
2017-18 Simmonds: 24 goals 46 Points - 11 of those goals are PP and 17 points are PP

So without PP time he has 13 Goals 29 points. Thats in the ball park of Fillpula 33 points and Raffl 22 points


- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Simmonds played the entire season hurt.



2016-17 Simmonds: 31 G 54 P - 16 PPG 25 PPP - 15 Goals and 29 points at EVSTR

That was on par with a rookie Konecny with 10 less games played


- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Simmonds ranked 43rd among NHL RW's in ES points. That second line level



2015-16 Simmonds: 32 G 60 P - 13 PPG 21 PPP - Thats 19 G 39 P at EVSTR.

Closest player is Raffl at 29 points(31 minus 2 PPP)


- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Simmonds ranked 14th overall is ES points among NHL Rw's. That first line production.



2014-15 Simmonds: 29 G 60 P 15 PPG 24 PPP - 14 G 36 points at EVSTR

On par with Matt Read 38 P(40 minus 2 PPP)


- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Your numbers are not correct. He had 26 ES points. 43rd in the league. 2nd line production.



To summarize. Take away his PP Time and he is no better than a 3rd line player. He is basically Raffl with PP time and no concept of defense or puck possession

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


To summarize, your point is complete nonsense. He's been better that a 3rd line player his entire career. He's also been a much better player than Raffl has been his entire career. Just think about how ludicrous what you're saying is? A little self analysis is needed. Simmonds like most players has weaknesses to his game, he also has a lot of strengths. This is more of the same nonsense when Brayden Schenn was deemed a poor 5 on 5 player.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:14 PM ET
That's why we have Gritty now
- Glak18


He's gotta step up. Bryz got in on an HBO series, what does Gritty have? Memes? Bah!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:17 PM ET


Your numbers are not correct. He had 26 ES points. 43rd in the league. 2nd line production.


- MJL


Umm he had 60 points. 24 PPP. 60 - 24 is not 26.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 1 @ 6:18 PM ET
People have such short memories.


- Tomahawk

Not sure what point you're trying to make. That was 6+ years ago. It's acceptable to you that this team hasn't won a playoff series since then?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:20 PM ET
Not sure what point you're trying to make. That was 6+ years ago. It's acceptable to you that this team hasn't won a playoff series since then?
- hereticpride


That Giroux is someone to build a team around. That people are quick to jump on the trade Giroux banwagon, the ships going down before it starts sailing.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:20 PM ET
He's gotta step up. Bryz got in on an HBO series, what does Gritty have? Memes? Bah!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Gritty has intimidation, no mascot will talk poop to him and Gritty wins because of it.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:21 PM ET
That Giroux is someone to build a team around. That people are quick to jump on the trade Giroux banwagon, the ships going down before it starts sailing.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Can you post a video that makes me want to keep Voracek now?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:21 PM ET
Giroux's down years were all injury related. Schenn is a good complimentary piece, he is not a core member of a team. The Schenn trade was made because Hextall liked Frost.

Simmonds is not a piece that helps us. He scores goals on the powerplay. Its something anyone can do, JVR can easily fill that spot once healthy. There are better goal scorers out there that we can get. Im sure if there was a large demand for Simmonds, he would have been traded already.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I seriously doubt that Hextall made the Schenn trade specifically to target Frost. he made it because the return of two first round picks was too good to turn down.

Good to know that scoring goals on the PP is something that anyone can do. One of the silliest statements I've read. JVR cannot play Simmonds spot on the PP.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:22 PM ET
I seriously doubt that Hextall made the Schenn trade specifically to target Frost. he made it because the return of two first round picks was too good to turn down.

Good to know that scoring goals on the PP is something that anyone can do. One of the silliest statements I've read. JVR cannot play Simmonds spot on the PP.

- MJL


He literally played the PP in the exact area for toronto. Dont give me that bull....
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:23 PM ET
I seriously doubt that Hextall made the Schenn trade specifically to target Frost. he made it because the return of two first round picks was too good to turn down.

Good to know that scoring goals on the PP is something that anyone can do. One of the silliest statements I've read. JVR cannot play Simmonds spot on the PP.

- MJL


Umm
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:23 PM ET
Can you post a video that makes me want to keep Voracek now?
- Glak18


I tried but the only video I saw made me blind.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:24 PM ET
I tried but the only video I saw made me blind.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx




I understand the reasons to keep Giroux, I see none if they can get a reasonable return for Voracek.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:24 PM ET
Umm he had 60 points. 24 PPP. 60 - 24 is not 26.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



http://www.nhl.com/stats/...te,1&sort=evPoints,points
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:25 PM ET
Can you post a video that makes me want to keep Voracek now?
- Glak18


https://youtu.be/t336pdvOdrs

Seriously, how do you get these stupid things to work on this site. Damn tags never work for me
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:26 PM ET
He literally played the PP in the exact area for toronto. Dont give me that bull....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


JVR is a LH shot. Simmonds is a RH
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 1 @ 6:29 PM ET
Can you post a video that makes me want to keep Voracek now?
- Glak18



85 points and a plus 10 last season.
If you trade him we need to make that up
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:30 PM ET
85 points and a plus 10 last season.
If you trade him we need to make that up

- opeth_pa


Thats not a video
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 1 @ 6:31 PM ET
85 points and a plus 10 last season.
If you trade him we need to make that up

- opeth_pa

We need to make that up with the way he's playing this season.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:33 PM ET
https://youtu.be/t336pdvOdrs

Seriously, how do you get these stupid things to work on this site. Damn tags never work for me

- xShoot4WarAmpsx







P.S. HockeyBuzz breaks Chrome...but at least we have floating ads that prevents us from reading things.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Nov 1 @ 6:34 PM ET
85 points and a plus 10 last season.
If you trade him we need to make that up

- opeth_pa


Even when he racks up points he makes costly mistakes. This year he needs 95 points to break even.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 1 @ 6:35 PM ET
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20142015&seasonTo=20142015&gameType=2&position=R&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points
- MJL


OK so its actually worse, it is 26 points EVSTR. Fact is Flyers dont need Simmonds. Simmonds is just another Hartnell. Other players on the team make him better than he is.

His EVSTR points puts him equal to Chris Stewart and Martin Erat. Is that what you consider a 2nd line player? EDIT: Its one more Point than Steve Downie
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 1 @ 6:37 PM ET
Even when he racks up points he makes costly mistakes. This year he needs 95 points to break even.
- Glak18



Not what I'm saying.
If you are going to trade him we need to replace those 85 points.

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