I'm not talking about Sam, I'm talking about the "good" numbers of bad players. You can pull a 12 game stretch and make assumptions if you want, but you're not going to get anywhere near a full picture. You can make guys look like Gretzky over 12 games, or you can make them look like Tanner Glass over the same period.

Matthews went 13 games without a goal once, and then in the same season he went 7 more, 20 games and no goals! He sucks!

Edit: And Jack hasn't gone on a 7 game tear with 15 points like he's done before. Looking at small sample sizes really skews the overall.
- Wetbandit1

October is full of bad teams and players that play well, and good teams and good players that play poorly every year.

Because you are being illogical.

The reason they got so much ice time is because the middle six lines were getting pinned in their end and they had the Larsson line dig them out.

You want them to play less? 37,23,43,17 need to actually play well.
- sbroads24

You're still alluding to the Larsson line as the 4th line, but the useage says otherwise

You can't have your cake and eat it too

Either they're the 4th line and their points dont matter - which I could live with! 8 minutes a game? Sure

Or

They play more than Mittelstadt and Reinhart, thus are the 2nd/3rd line and they need to produce accordingly

Right now it's the latter.

If I grabbed a "12 game" survey randomly from his career yes. But I'm taking this year only into account. 28 has played well.

I'm not saying " he was s 12th in nhl scoring from January to march"

That's a ridiculous sample. Picking and choosing stats

Just talking about this year.
Haven't missed a home game yet, went to AZ and lv.

Just my opinion from what I've seen with my own 2 eyes
- Boss34

Girgensons has played well in his role. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.

Reinhart has been bad. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.

Girgensons has played well in his role. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.

Reinhart has been bad. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.
- sbroads24

WE DO HAVE A WINNING RECORD RIGHT?

Girgensons has played well in his role. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.

Reinhart has been bad. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.
- sbroads24

You're still alluding to the Larsson line as the 4th line, but the useage says otherwise

You can't have your cake and eat it too

Either they're the 4th line and their points dont matter - which I could live with! 8 minutes a game? Sure

Or

They play more than Mittelstadt and Reinhart, thus are the 2nd line and they need to produce accordingly

Right now it's the latter.
- jcragcrumple

How are you not getting this?

Larsson is who they are using on D draws.

The Reinhart line had 25-30% possession. Therefore almost every time they ended a shift it was in the D zone.

You wanna rename the Larsson line the “defensive line” instead of the 4th line, be my guest. The point is they aren’t put in a position to score and are actually getting shots and chances despite that.

And I freaking hate Johan Larsson

How are you not getting this?

Larsson is who they are using on D draws.

The Reinhart line had 25-30% possession. Therefore almost every time they ended a shift it was in the D zone.

You wanna rename the Larsson line the “defensive line” instead of the 4th line, be my guest. The point is they aren’t put in a position to score and are actually getting shots and chances despite that.

And I freaking hate Johan Larsson
- sbroads24

Speaking of faceoffs, they are 49% on the dot overall this year.

They were 51.5% at the end of last year.

Trying to find faceoff percentage by month.

How are you not getting this?

Larsson is who they are using on D draws.

The Reinhart line had 25-30% possession. Therefore almost every time they ended a shift it was in the D zone.

You wanna rename the Larsson line the “defensive line” instead of the 4th line, be my guest. The point is they aren’t put in a position to score and are actually getting shots and chances despite that.

And I freaking hate Johan Larsson
- sbroads24

I do get it. But it's a choice to do that, it's not like someone has a gun to Housley's head and tells him he has to do this. If they continue on this path, they will not score many goals. Thankfully Rodrigues should be back in the lineup and hopefully this (frank)ing line is over

Just send down Thompson, replace him with Nylander

Girgs-erod-Berglund

I'm good.

That line might actually score a goal

I do get it. But it's a choice to do that, it's not like someone has a gun to Housley's head and tells him he has to do this. If they continue on this path, they will not score many goals. Thankfully Rodrigues should be back in the lineup and hopefully this (frank)ing line is over
- jcragcrumple

If the your middle two lines are pinned in their own zone due to their inability to possess the puck, you won't score many goals either. And Rodrigues has been less than mediocre so far this year as well.

How are you not getting this?

Larsson is who they are using on D draws.

The Reinhart line had 25-30% possession. Therefore almost every time they ended a shift it was in the D zone.

You wanna rename the Larsson line the “defensive line” instead of the 4th line, be my guest. The point is they aren’t put in a position to score and are actually getting shots and chances despite that.

And I freaking hate Johan Larsson
- sbroads24

It's funny, I hated Larsson too.
One of my concerns moving forward after last season.

I did kinda like his game before the broken wrist.

Dudes a plunger. Nothing flashy.
Win faceoffs, don't take poop or penalties. Draw penalties.

But he is playing above expectations
Others are playing below expectations.

I do get it. But it's a choice to do that, it's not like someone has a gun to Housley's head and tells him he has to do this. If they continue on this path, they will not score many goals. Thankfully Rodrigues should be back in the lineup and hopefully this (frank)ing line is over
- jcragcrumple

Erod is hot this year. They missed his zero goals when he was out.

He will save the day. God forbid someone mention him as a NON secondary scorer.

The legend of Jason pommenville continues

Just send down Thompson, replace him with Nylander

Girgs-erod-Berglund

I'm good.

That line might actually score a goal
- jcragcrumple

Think you know they won't break up the top line or 4th line for now. ERod will shuffle into the middle 6 somewhere. Hopefully some new combo will magically start generating some offense. They are quickly running out of combos to try.

I do get it. But it's a choice to do that, it's not like someone has a gun to Housley's head and tells him he has to do this. If they continue on this path, they will not score many goals. Thankfully Rodrigues should be back in the lineup and hopefully this (frank)ing line is over
- jcragcrumple

I didn’t mean to be rude, but maybe we’re not talking about the same thing.

I agree that’s too much time. I disagree they deserve any blame st this point.

If Sheary, Sam etc we’re holding their own, Larsson and Girgs gets 8-10 min

Speaking of faceoffs, they are 49% on the dot overall this year.

They were 51.5% at the end of last year.

Trying to find faceoff percentage by month.
- buffalofan19

Like a coin flip

Erod is hot this year. They missed his zero goals when he was out.

He will save the day. God forbid someone mention him as a NON secondary scorer.

The legend of Jason pommenville continues
- Boss34

I honestly don't know what you're going for there. He did help the 4th line score a goal with the goalie in the net this year, so I would enjoy very much to watch that again

Think you know they won't break up the top line or 4th line for now. ERod will shuffle into the middle 6 somewhere. Hopefully some new combo will magically start generating some offense. They are quickly running out of combos to try.
- Lunaion

Of course they will break up the (non) 4th line.
They aren't scoring.

I'm sure phil is super worried about 22-10-28

These guys just cant score.

And
These guys just keep scoring
71
72
23
37

I honestly don't know what you're going for there. He did help the 4th line score a goal with the goalie in the net this year, so I would enjoy very much to watch that again
- jcragcrumple

So 71 helped out on one play.

Trophy time. French connection and erod out front at key bank center.

Maybe the coach is using players in a defensive role to hide the poopty defense. Remember how bad they were.

Same crew plus an 18 year old.

Ror probably was being used in the wrong way, but that was the option. Now its 22 and 28

So 71 helped out on one play.

Trophy time. French connection and erod out front at key bank center.

Maybe the coach is using players in a defensive role to hide the poopty defense. Remember how bad they were.

Same crew plus an 18 year old.

Ror probably was being used in the wrong way, but that was the option. Now its 22 and 28
- Boss34

Basically exactly what I'm saying

Girgensons has played well in his role. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.

Reinhart has been bad. Anyone saying otherwise is biased.
- sbroads24

Sheary, Thompson, Berglund Mitts and Sobotka have all had big issues scoring in their middle 6 roles.

Samson isn't playing well. None of our middle 6, outside Okposo, are having a good time. I find those that pick him out of the pile as being biased.

It's okay, I've accepted he, now that RoR is gone, is the new whipping boy.

I didn’t mean to be rude, but maybe we’re not talking about the same thing.

I agree that’s too much time. I disagree they deserve any blame st this point.

If Sheary, Sam etc we’re holding their own, Larsson and Girgs gets 8-10 min
- sbroads24

So then maybe we need

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
Sheary-Erod-Reinhart
Nylander-Mitts-Berglund
Girgs-Sobotka-Okposo

And try to assemble a crew that we can roll through 4 lines that give us an opportunity to score on every line

And not play Larsson and Girgs for 17 minutes

So then maybe we need

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
Sheary-Erod-Reinhart
Nylander-Mitts-Berglund
Girgs-Sobotka-Okposo

And try to assemble a crew that we can roll through 4 lines that give us an opportunity to score on every line

And not play Larsson and Girgs for 17 minutes
- jcragcrumple

Send Reinhart to the minors and call up anyone with a pulse.

That's all I got.

In other news, I am dressed up as Snoopy for Halloween at work, but I was out in the rain and my ears are very soggy. Today is a bad day.

That’s usually when 23 scores his 2nd or 3rd goal
- sbroads24

Isn't it who has the most points at the end of the year? Not after game 12? You're mr "Small Sample".

Isn't it who has the most points at the end of the year? Not after game 12? You're mr "Small Sample".
- Wetbandit1

Of course but who cares what he does when we’re 20 points out of the playoffs?

I know I’m being hard on him, but I was convinced we saw a better Reinhart in 2018.

He completely reverted back to being very mediocre this year so far