You mean a Beyblade.

A tv show made about spinning tops lol.
- flyer_nutter

Beyblades are sick

Corban Knight - collar bone - four months

They haven't bought in but Cooter, G, and Jake all had career years last year? What am I missing. Slow starts, lazy backchecking, idk. Jake is the only one with the backc hecking issue. I still think this team's issue is scoring depth and shaky Dmen, not core players.
- ClaudeFather

There is really two different conversations. One, what needs to be improved to get back to being the bubble playoff team they should already be. Two, what needs to improve to get from that point to contender status. The second conversation is the only one we should behaving. I guess there's an old saying "we are what we are".

This is depth?

Patrick is a second year play who has been OK.

Weal is your 3rd line center, you could argue he is a boardline NHL player.

Linblom is another 2nd year player who has been OK.

That is the other thing that drives me nuts about this fan base and BSH, all this clamoring for playing the kids. The kids are playing and are all over the line-up!

And we are seeing the results of playing the kids, struggles. Lots of them.

I am not saying the Flyers need to fire Hextall and start over, but I am saying the depth is a huge question mark on this team.
- ggunky

The kids are the depth. Until they fully arrive, that will be a question mark. Weknew that going in.

What drives me nuts about this fan base is we need to stop trying to buy a team and get in cap trouble. We need to draft and play young players. Now that they're doing that, the fan base is driving you nuts for clamoring to play the kids!

Ive softened my stance on wanting an immediate coaching change but I cant buy this bullpoop about "the core" being the same under 3 coaches now as a slight to Giroux. When was the last time he had a strong team built around him? 2011-2012 and that team couldve done some serious damage without critical injuries.

Since then, the teams have been made up of too many spare parts to expect the season long consistency of a contender. Even despite that, hes managed to put the team on his back and drag them into playoffs a couple times.

Couturier only became a core player after Hak took over which is a credit to the current coach.
Voracek and Simmonds have had generally the same strengths and weaknesses since theyve been here. You hope the good outweighs the bad most nights. I think both are missing some components to be considered elite core pieces.

I mean, the player who has struggled the most this season is the veteran Andrew MacDonald.
- Feanor

MacDonald getting injured, trying to come back to soon and playing poorly has hurt this team, no doubt.

Ive softened my stance on wanting an immediate coaching change but I cant buy this bullpoop about "the core" being the same under 3 coaches now as a slight to Giroux. When was the last time he had a strong team built around him? 2011-2012 and that team couldve done some serious damage without critical injuries.

Since then, the teams have been made up of too many spare parts to expect the season long consistency of a contender. Even despite that, hes managed to put the team on his back and drag them into playoffs a couple times.

Couturier only became a core player after Hak took over which is a credit to the current coach.
Voracek and Simmonds have had generally the same strengths and weaknesses since theyve been here. You hope the good outweighs the bad most nights. I think both are missing some components to be considered elite core pieces.
- Baxter27

Couturier was a core player from his rookie season on. Played high minutes and an important role since day 1.

Couturier was a core player from his rookie season on. Played high minutes and an important role since day 1.
- MJL

Im not going to dispute his value since day 1 but I think his usage reflected more a role player before Hak. He wasn't consistently being used in all situations under Lavy & Berube.

Corban Knight - collar bone - four months
- Scoob

Even Michal Neuvirth thinks, maybe, Corban Knight gets hurt alot.

Even Michal Neuvirth thinks, maybe, Corban Knight gets hurt alot.
- johndewar

lol, That's funny. It shouldn't be, but it is.

I know there were a few Bauhaus fans here. Just announced: Peter Murphy is playing Union Transfer w/ David J on Feb 12th. 🤟

I know there were a few Bauhaus fans here. Just announced: Peter Murphy is playing Union Transfer w/ David J on Feb 12th. 🤟
- hereticpride

Hell yah, worth going to even if his voice is a bit rougher.
I also know Clan of Xymox is playing Drac's Ball..

And you miss my fact that they are all MINUS players which means I don't give a rats ass about assists when more goals are hitting our net while they are out there. We all have a view point and my view is if this team starts focusing on their own freaking end of the ice more than they are about the flashy oh look at me making this pass and that pass they will be a better team and win. Someone mentioned Coots and Provy being a drain. Sure they are but defensive hockey is a 6 man job and with the number you are seeing from this team it's not one or two who are the issue it's all of them. Hak can lead them to the way to fix it but he can't force them to do it.

Also those assists are on the PP which is also a bad thing if you live and die by the PP you are asking to lose games.
- dragonoffrost

Are the young players Plus players?

Sanheim -1
AMac -2
Coots & G -4
Voracek, Lindblom, NoPa -5
Simmonds -6
Provorov -7
Ghost -9

FYI Folin is +2 for 2nd best on the team. +/- means jack!

Are the young players Plus players?

Sanheim -1
AMac -2
Coots & G -4
Voracek, Lindblom, NoPa -5
Simmonds -6
Provorov -7
Ghost -9

FYI Folin is +2 for 2nd best on the team. +/- means jack!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When you have guys over 10 points that are minus 4 or 5. That means 15 ish goals were scored while they were on the ice. That's poor coverage as a unit. You are giving up a goal and a half for every goal scored.

When you have guys over 10 points that are minus 4 or 5. That means 15 ish goals were scored while they were on the ice. That's poor coverage as a unit. You are giving up a goal and a half for every goal scored.
- dragonoffrost

Yea and when you are out for close to 20 minutes a game that also increases the chances you will be out for a goal against. 3rd and 4th lines are not as bad because they dont play as much, there is less of a chance for them to get scored on. Like I said Folin is +2 and argulably the worst Dman on the team

Stop using +\- as a measure of defensive ability. It’s a horrible stat to use as a comparison

Yea and when you are out for close to 20 minutes a game that also increases the chances you will be out for a goal against. 3rd and 4th lines are not as bad because they dont play as much, there is less of a chance for them to get scored on. Like I said Folin is +2 and argulably the worst Dman on the team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He's an anomaly with his games played and one being a game the Flyers got him a +4

Corban Knight - collar bone - four months
- Scoob

4 months then likely back to LHV. Have fun on the bus kid.

Yea and when you are out for close to 20 minutes a game that also increases the chances you will be out for a goal against. 3rd and 4th lines are not as bad because they dont play as much, there is less of a chance for them to get scored on. Like I said Folin is +2 and argulably the worst Dman on the team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There's also more of a chance for a goal for during those 20 minutes and less of a chance for the third and fourth lines.

There's also more of a chance for a goal for during those 20 minutes and less of a chance for the third and fourth lines.
- dragonoffrost

That is literally the exact thing I put in my post you quoted......

That is literally the exact thing I put in my post you quoted......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No you said goal against. I'm saying goal for. Totally opposites

02-03 was Hitch’s first year, they lost in the 2nd round, the following in the conference final. The only year a Flyers team under Hitch lost in the first round was in his last full year with the team, 05-06

Both teams that got embarrassed in one sided first round losses in 2001 and 2002 were coached by Barber
- BiggE

I was taking Feanor’s word on it. The facts man himself. I’ll never make that mistake again.

Stop using +\- as a measure of defensive ability. It’s a horrible stat to use as a comparison
- VladDrag

You need to be accurate. He's not using it as a measure of defensive ability. He's using it to show they've been on the ice for goals against.

You need to be accurate. He's not using it as a measure of defensive ability. He's using it to show they've been on the ice for goals against.
- MJL

Regardless its not useful. You get a minus for an empty net goal, you get a minus when your goalie lets in a softie and lets be honest theres at least one per game. Plus you have to account for that horrific Islander game that would have racked up minuses.

I know there were a few Bauhaus fans here. Just announced: Peter Murphy is playing Union Transfer w/ David J on Feb 12th. 🤟
- hereticpride