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FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Oct 28 @ 12:55 PM ET
I love you nutter but a part of the struggle is there are a ton of young 2nd year guys and Provy in key roles for this team and they are struggling right now. Hard to watch. Mistakes compounded and they look terrible. But there are a lot of young guys on the team. Sounds like NAK is getting a shot now.

NP looks lost, at least defensively. Provy is struggling. Hagg has moments were he looks awful. Sanheim who has been a bright spot this season has had some big gaffs leading to goals. Lindblom, etc. it’s growing pains and they are going to get better.

No excuse for Vorochek, Simmonds. Amac is off to a rough start. Couts has been ineffective.

So when your core of vets are playing bad and the young (2nd and 3rd yr) players struggle its going to be ugly.

- Marc D

This whole post is spot on and the bold is why they're off to a bad start. They can get past the rookie/2nd year mistakes, but can't have the vets playing like poop.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 28 @ 12:56 PM ET
can someone make a couturier meme that says trade me bro
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 28 @ 12:58 PM ET
No, he just get used more because they want right handed guys on the right side. It is not complicated. Just because you think its stupid, doesnt make it any less true.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


It makes the Flyers stupid though.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 28 @ 1:00 PM ET
It makes the Flyers stupid though.
- flyer_nutter


Its not just Flyers, all NHL teams do it. I believe it has to do with the fact its easier and faster to make plays with the puck when it comes around the boards because they can take it straight off the forehand rather than backhand like let handed players.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 28 @ 1:01 PM ET
Am I too late for all the hand wringing over the Flyers calling up Tyrell Goulbourne or nah?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:02 PM ET
Am I too late for all the hand wringing over the Flyers calling up Tyrell Goulbourne or nah?
- johndewar


It's going to turn the season around.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:05 PM ET
It makes the Flyers stupid though.
- flyer_nutter


No it doesn't. It's simply trying to put players in the best spot.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Oct 28 @ 1:08 PM ET
It's going to turn the season around.
- MJL


He's gonna be the mvp of the Cote suite
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:09 PM ET
He's gonna be the mvp of the Cote suite
- bulet13


It gives the fans something else to criticize Hakstol for when he only plays 5 minutes in a game or is scratched.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 28 @ 1:09 PM ET
Am I too late for all the hand wringing over the Flyers calling up Tyrell Goulbourne or nah?
- johndewar

I mean, he'll probably finish his checks and fight for pucks which is more than can be said than a few guys on this team at the moment.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 28 @ 1:10 PM ET
He's gonna be the mvp of the Cote suite
- bulet13


As dead and lifeless as this team is, no way Goulbourne was brought up to sit.

This was, far and away, one of the most predictable moves that Hextall has made after yesterday's mess.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 28 @ 1:11 PM ET
I mean, he'll probably finish his checks and fight for pucks which is more than can be said than a few guys on this team at the moment.
- hereticpride


I have zero problem with the call up. I'm more surprised at people who don't understand it or are clutching their pearls over it.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 28 @ 1:13 PM ET
I have zero problem with the call up. I'm more surprised at people who don't understand it or are clutching their pearls over it.
- johndewar


Not that really.

Just think folks, or hell me - were hoping for the obvious required decision, instead of another guy playing who has no long term future on the club.

Colourful band aid on a ruptured aorta.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
Not that really.

Just think folks, or hell me - were hoping for the obvious required decision, instead of another guy playing who has no long term future on the club.

Colourful band aid on a ruptured aorta.

- flyer_nutter


I don't think there are any delusions about Tyrell Goulbourne's long term future as a hockey player. He's an AHL lifer.

However, he'll fight for pucks, throw a hit or two and maybe generate some enthusiasm on a bench that has as much life as an insurance seminar.

Then, when the team pulls it's head out of it's own ass, he'll be back down in LHV.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
I have zero problem with the call up. I'm more surprised at people who don't understand it or are clutching their pearls over it.
- johndewar


I don't have a problem with the call ups and I do. I'll explain. I understand what Hextall is trying to do here. First of all, Knight was hurt so he has to be replaced. Secondly, if they're not going to fire the coach, then something has to be done. What I don't like about it is placing a young player in a very tough situation. Much better and more talented players are struggling to play in this team environment. How much of a difference is either player expected to make and is that fair? If the intent is to send a message, how effective will that be? Singling out any one player who is already here to be scratched is window dressing. It's a team wide issue. The change has to come from within that locker room and with the players already here. It's in their heads.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
Well with all due respect, I think “your way” deserves to be questioned.

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:18 PM ET
I have zero problem with the call up. I'm more surprised at people who don't understand it or are clutching their pearls over it.
- johndewar


I’m fine with the guys that were called up. I continue to hope for more meaningful moves.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 28 @ 1:22 PM ET
5v5 TOI on a game by game basis. I missed a star on the 10/16 game, my bad. Included Hagg for fun. (or was it to prove a point? You decide)

Hakstol has always been the kind of coach that utilizes the players that will help win games.




Make your own conclusions. All stats courtesy of NaturalStatTrick
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 28 @ 1:23 PM ET
I don't have a problem with the call ups and I do. I'll explain. I understand what Hextall is trying to do here. First of all, Knight was hurt so he has to be replaced. Secondly, if they're not going to fire the coach, then something has to be done. What I don't like about it is placing a young player in a very tough situation. Much better and more talented players are struggling to play in this team environment. How much of a difference is either player expected to make and is that fair? If the intent is to send a message, how effective will that be? Singling out any one player who is already here to be scratched is window dressing. It's a team wide issue. The change has to come from within that locker room and with the players already here. It's in their heads.
- MJL


I don't think either one of the guys that were called up is going to supplant a Top 6 guy. If these two players can't handle whatever bottom 6 duties they are going to get, then maybe they've been overestimated.

It's the easiest, quickest move that Hextall could make and I'm fine with it....for now. Especially since Hextall seems so hesitant to fire Hakstol right now.

If this doesn't help at least point them in the right direction, I'm interested to see if he goes the trade route or if he decides to finally just blow out Hakstol.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 28 @ 1:23 PM ET
Meltz on the twitter:

"Snot and balls" aimed callup in Goul and, with NAK, they would like to see him play a Raffl-type game.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 28 @ 1:24 PM ET
Nak and Goul up.

Voro down.

- flyer_nutter

Glad to see NAK get a shot and happy that Misha will at least get to play more than 8 minutes a game. And, fwiw, at least Goul will play hard and stir sh!t up.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 28 @ 1:24 PM ET
I don't have a problem with the call ups and I do. I'll explain. I understand what Hextall is trying to do here. First of all, Knight was hurt so he has to be replaced. Secondly, if they're not going to fire the coach, then something has to be done. What I don't like about it is placing a young player in a very tough situation. Much better and more talented players are struggling to play in this team environment. How much of a difference is either player expected to make and is that fair? If the intent is to send a message, how effective will that be? Singling out any one player who is already here to be scratched is window dressing. It's a team wide issue. The change has to come from within that locker room and with the players already here. It's in their heads.
- MJL


I think this is pretty spot on. It puts NAK in a very similar situation to Vorobyev. Vorobyev wasn't THE problem with this team, however because of this move (and no other moves made), these kids will be looked at by many fans as the "solution".

If you are Hakstol right now, they better be part of your solution somehow because you gotta believe you're on a short lease.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 28 @ 1:29 PM ET
Meltz on the twitter:

"Snot and balls" aimed callup in Goul and, with NAK, they would like to see him play a Raffl-type game.

- flyer_nutter

Sacking up didn't work so snot and balls is their next go to. Let me guess, they'll be calling up Rubstov for machismo next.

Hextall is running a (frank)ing clown show.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 28 @ 1:32 PM ET
Sacking up didn't work so snot and balls is their next go to. Let me guess, they'll be calling up Rubstov for machismo next.
- hereticpride


He's not ready. Along with Myers, Voro, etc.

I'm sorry, but if on a club winding down its rebuild you cant add one (frank)ing new kid into the lineup this season- and have them play some meaningful minutes your development strategy needs to be questioned.





BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Oct 28 @ 1:37 PM ET
Sacking up didn't work so snot and balls is their next go to. Let me guess, they'll be calling up Rubstov for machismo next.

Hextall is running a (frank)ing clown show.

- hereticpride


Golbourne’s not a bad call up at all. Western teams are hitting teams...we need some push back.

Regardless, I predict Flyers end the road trip 1-2-1, to which Hextall will declare, “We did some good things on the road trip, and the effort was there.”

Translation: I’m not firing the coach, and no trades will occur. Live with it.”

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