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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
The VGK blog writer is leaving - who here was snubbed for that gig? Is he/she going to get it now?

Oh, regarding the Flyers - it's time for a change. Someone needs to leave.

- Scoob

S2TP
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:03 AM ET
I'm not disagreeing, simply asking why Holmgren didn't make such a no-brainer move like that during his later GM tenure (and manage to actually get a half-decent return)?
- jmatchett383

salary
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:05 AM ET
Then why are the red blobs so big at the points?

https://twitter.com/user/...tatus/1056558898973433856

Under Hak, the Flyers rank 24th in 5on5 goal scoring. 440 goals in 257 games; a paltry 1.71 goals per game at 5on5.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...d,gte,1&sort=goalsFor5on5

- Feanor


What a team is able to generate offensively is not representative of what the strategy and design of the system is. If that's all it takes, then all Hakstol needs to do is install the take shots close to the net and score goals system and woila!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
Then why are the red blobs so big at the points?

https://twitter.com/user/...tatus/1056558898973433856

Under Hak, the Flyers rank 24th in 5on5 goal scoring. 440 goals in 257 games; a paltry 1.71 goals per game at 5on5.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...d,gte,1&sort=goalsFor5on5

- Feanor

Will be interesting to see the difference under a new coach soon
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 29 @ 11:09 AM ET
this team is a few losses from hot garbage firesale mode
- 2Real


Nah, you're jumping ahead.

1.) Call up of some young guys just to get the attention of the locker room.

2.) Fire the coach.

3.) Player yard sale.

4.) ?????

5.) PARADE female dogEZ
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
What a team is able to generate offensively is not representative of what the strategy and design of the system is. If that's all it takes, then all Hakstol needs to do is install the take shots close to the net and score goals system and woila!
- MJL


No team in the league puts as little emphasis as taking shots from the slot as the Flyers. That is why they struggle to score goals at ES.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Oct 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
As I said last week, it's time for Hextall to decide whether or not there's a deal out there worth his collection of assets to help this group. The big question is, does he believe in these guys?

There needs to be a coaching change and they need to stop relying on a second year kid in Patrick to carry the second line as it's pivot. Giroux needs to go back to center, Coutuier second line and Patrick third line and then move some assets for help on the left side.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 29 @ 11:12 AM ET
As I said last week, it's time for Hextall to decide whether or not there's a deal out there worth his collection of assets to help this group. The big question is, does he believe in these guys?

- DraftandDestroy


As Elliotte Friedman always says, when GMs of struggling teams reach out to get a life raft, other GMs throw them anvils.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Oct 29 @ 11:15 AM ET
Seriously debating whether or not to throw off my sleep schedule to hate watch this team.
- johndewar


I won’t lie. In the ‘06-‘07 season, I would only tape the games and ...maybe watch parts of them later. It was so painful. Please, please, please tell me I won’t have to do that this season.

DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Oct 29 @ 11:20 AM ET
As Elliotte Friedman always says, when GMs of struggling teams reach out to get a life raft, other GMs throw them anvils.
- Feanor

True, but I think there's gotta be a deal out there from a lesser team looking for good prospects and or picks. For four years he's done very little, that's actually helped, to support Giroux, Voracek and Couturier. Love what he's built for a prospect pool but they need help now.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 29 @ 11:21 AM ET
I won’t lie. In the ‘06-‘07 season, I would only tape the games and ...maybe watch parts of them later. It was so painful. Please, please, please tell me I won’t have to do that this season.
- NC Flyers Fan



I don't remember a season that I watched fewer games than that one.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 29 @ 11:23 AM ET
I won’t lie. In the ‘06-‘07 season, I would only tape the games and ...maybe watch parts of them later. It was so painful. Please, please, please tell me I won’t have to do that this season.
- NC Flyers Fan


'06-'07 definitely had all the earmarks of a terrible season, just judging by the off-season signings and the retirement of Desjardins and Primeau. And the drama with Forsberg's foot, which was easily the most maddening thing I've ever been a part of as a sports fan.

Once they fired Hitch and Clarke quit, I watched more out of morbid curiousity than anything else.

This year's team had some expectations pinned on them. And really, they weren't even lofty ones. Just don't get blown out in the first round and, Gordie Howe willing, get through to the 2nd round.

rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 29 @ 11:27 AM ET
You have to have something worth trading for to make trades. Flyers have nothing they can afford to part with, If they trade a piece now they are just creating a new hole to fill another
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

not true at all. why can't they part with prospects and/or picks for a young nhl player to help now an dnd in the future?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Oct 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
At least we have good prospects news

“Fun @NHLFlyers stats:

Högberg underlying @vaxjolakers stats so far in @SHLse.

16:53 EV TOI/GP (1st on team D)
63.12% Corsi
+6.74 Corsi Rel
56.28 CF/60
32.88 CA/60

From eye-test+stats has been great. One of best SHL Dmen in DZ, shot suppression stats are fantastic. #Flyers”
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Oct 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
not true at all. why can't they part with prospects and/or picks for a young nhl player to help now an dnd in the future?
- rinaldo

Why can't they trade for a 27 year old Matt Duchene? As an example. He's an established talent in the prime of his career.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Oct 29 @ 11:38 AM ET
Why can't they trade for a 27 year old Matt Duchene? As an example. He's an established talent in the prime of his career.
- DraftandDestroy


Who are they trading for him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:38 AM ET
No team in the league puts as little emphasis as taking shots from the slot as the Flyers. That is why they struggle to score goals at ES.
- Feanor


I disagree with that absurd narrative. In the same light I guess the Flyers defensive system is designed to give up a lot of goals. Comical.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 29 @ 11:38 AM ET
not true at all. why can't they part with prospects and/or picks for a young nhl player to help now an dnd in the future?
- rinaldo

Because this poopty team has so much talent that if we move it for help we'll just regret it later when another team figures out how to use it to win games.

That's why.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:41 AM ET
Because this poopty team has so much talent that if we move it for help we'll just regret it later when another team figures out how to use it to win games.

That's why.

- mayorofangrytown




YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:44 AM ET
blues coach says he should be on the hot seat - blues win the next game 7-3

flyers coach says players need to sack up - flyers get teabagged 6-1

coincidence? perhaps
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:45 AM ET
I won’t lie. In the ‘06-‘07 season, I would only tape the games and ...maybe watch parts of them later. It was so painful. Please, please, please tell me I won’t have to do that this season.
- NC Flyers Fan

maybe we'll finally get Kane instead of JvR
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 29 @ 11:49 AM ET
maybe we'll finally get Kane instead of JvR
- 2Real

Maybe we'll keep JVR rather than shipping him out to a hysterical Brian Burke.

Gods, that man knows a joke of a trade when he makes one.
DraftandDestroy
Arizona Coyotes
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 11.15.2016

Oct 29 @ 11:49 AM ET
Who are they trading for him?
- Ftown19125

Therein lies the issue, but it certainly involves a first round pick. Call me crazy but if Duchene will sign a five year extension I'd trade a first and Patrick for him.

Sorry I've never been a huge Patrick fan and they have a couple good centres drafted already. Couturier is 26 in December, Duchene 28 in January. They're still young enough kids like Frost and O'Brien can continue to develop over the next three years.

Just a hypothetical but they can't continue to just sit on their hands. It's not the Flyer way. Ed Snider would be proud of me right now
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:52 AM ET
Therein lies the issue, but it certainly involves a first round pick. Call me crazy but if Duchene will sign a five year extension I'd trade a first and Patrick for him.

Sorry I've never been a huge Patrick fan and they have a couple good centres drafted already. Couturier is 26 in December, Duchene 28 in January. They're still young enough kids like Frost and O'Brien can continue to develop over the next three years.

Just a hypothetical but they can't continue to just sit on their hands. It's not the Flyer way. Ed Snider would be proud of me right now

- DraftandDestroy

posts like this make me wish I knew more languages so I could say no in several different ways
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 29 @ 11:55 AM ET
I disagree with that absurd narrative. In the same light I guess the Flyers defensive system is designed to give up a lot of goals. Comical.
- MJL


They didn't shoot from the slot in the Islanders, game, for sure. You can see for yourself that, for whatever reason, they aren't shooting from the "dirty areas" of the ice.

http://hockeyviz.com/live...nged&by=Unchanged&submit=
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