For the most part, yes.

My point was they aren't going to contribute offensively.
- ggunky

They haven't to this point and Lehtera has struggled to score going back through last season but if they continue to play how they did in recent games, I think they have a chance to contribute.

Can’t respond again, the hamsters! Feed the (frank)ing hamsters Ek!!

LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!
- ggunky

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so what is the real problem with this team? is it the core? the support players? the defense? the goaltending? the coaching? I mean, not just this year, but over the last 5 years or so
- nastyflyergirl

I’ll take all of the above for $1000 Alex

Depth is good for support, not carry load when top players disappear.
- Glak18

Good teams have support players that pick up the slack when the stars aren't getting it done.

Just think about the playoffs, you see it ever year, a no name player come out of nowhere and score clutch goal after clutch goal or setup a goal.

G and Jake have been present for the most part of this season. Have they made mistakes, yes. Every player does though, including McD and Crosby.

You want to put it all on the Flyers stars, that is fine, I see it differently.

so i already posted and responded but yet I can't reply to someone now? this site is so wacky.

in response to MJL - I do like the basic core and think its one you should be able to win with. they do need more production from the young players. I really think Giroux is so underappreciated and while I of course want a cup for selfish reasons, I also want very bad to see Giroux win one here.

so i already posted and responded but yet I can't reply to someone now? this site is so wacky.

in response to MJL - I do like the basic core and think its one you should be able to win with. they do need more production from the young players. I really think Giroux is so underappreciated and while I of course want a cup for selfish reasons, I also want very bad to see Giroux win one here.
- nastyflyergirl

There's no doubt that they need production from the young guys. They need Patrick, Konecny and Lindblom to take steps forward.

They haven't to this point and Lehtera has struggled to score going back through last season but if they continue to play how they did in recent games, I think they have a chance to contribute.
- MJL

That will only benefit the team and that would be very much welcomed.

so i already posted and responded but yet I can't reply to someone now? this site is so wacky.

in response to MJL - I do like the basic core and think its one you should be able to win with. they do need more production from the young players. I really think Giroux is so underappreciated and while I of course want a cup for selfish reasons, I also want very bad to see Giroux win one here.
- nastyflyergirl

X7

All of it!

I love that little bastard!

The best teams can still win games when their top players are shut down. For example when the Flyers play Boston in Boston and the Couturier line is going to see Bergeron and Chara all night long, chances are you're going to need some other lines contributing to win.

By the way, a lack of a veteran checking center is having an effect on the Couturier line in my opinion.
- MJL

So true.

I was no fan of Flip, but you can see the void this team has at 3C. That hole is massive.

The best teams can still win games when their top players are shut down. For example when the Flyers play Boston in Boston and the Couturier line is going to see Bergeron and Chara all night long, chances are you're going to need some other lines contributing to win.

By the way, a lack of a veteran checking center is having an effect on the Couturier line in my opinion.
- MJL

Exactly, depth is there for support....which doesn't mean X player scored so they gave support. Generating offensive chances while being defensively responsible is considered support.

The problem with the Flyers right now is the fact the top players (players with the most minutes played) are just as likely to be scored against as they are to score.

Lack of depth.

When the top players aren't playing at the top of their game this team can't win and alot of times it gets down right ugly.

NoPa
Lindblom
Vorobyev

All 3 of them have been playing below expectations.

JVR being injured since game 2is big lose.

Then the 4th line is just a black hole that is expected to do nothing but play defense.

You add all of this up and you have a fantastic recipe for a crappy product.
- ggunky

certainly wouldn't have expected one goal and 6 assists and a minus 12 between Provorov and Ghost. that hasn't helped either. I guess part of the reason why I haven't jumped on a bridge yet is because I expect the players who haven't quite lived up to expectations to get better. fingers crossed

Exactly, depth is there for support....which doesn't mean X player scored so they gave support. Generating offensive chances while being defensively responsible is considered support.

The problem with the Flyers right now is the fact the top players (players with the most minutes played) are just as likely to be scored against as they are to score.
- Glak18

Right, the Flyers have to play mistake free hockey to win because they have no margin for error, if the top line isn't on-point shift in shift out, they can't win.

Depth would go a long way in taking the pressure off. They could feel like they don't have to play mistake free hockey because they know the next line can pick them up.

This team lacks depth. They need JVR back ASAP. They need the 3 young kids (NoPa, Lindblom, Vorobyev) to pick up some of the slack.

Depth is good for support, not carry load when top players disappear.
- Glak18

Jake 3-9-12, Giroux 3-8-11 Simmonds 6-1-7 (12-18-30)

the rest of the 12 forwards 15-13-28

certainly wouldn't have expected one goal and 6 assists and a minus 12 between Provorov and Ghost. that hasn't helped either. I guess part of the reason why I haven't jumped on a bridge yet is because I expect the players who haven't quite lived up to expectations to get better. fingers crossed
- nastyflyergirl

That tends to be the thinking from a lot of people. Players that people believe will get going get a pass, but others who make the same mistakes or less get ripped apart.

The moment Provorov and Ghost (also other core players playing better defensively) get back to their expected levels of play then the team will start to win more, but with the same depth guys.

certainly wouldn't have expected one goal and 6 assists and a minus 12 between Provorov and Ghost. that hasn't helped either. I guess part of the reason why I haven't jumped on a bridge yet is because I expect the players who haven't quite lived up to expectations to get better. fingers crossed
- nastyflyergirl

In no way am I excusing the defensive players. Provy needs to get things right. He is the lynch pin. If he gets back to playing at last years level, all of a sudden the whole team will look different.

A True #1 defense man changes so much.

Provy will turn it around, he is a gem.

So true.

I was no fan of Flip, but you can see the void this team has at 3C. That hole is massive.
- ggunky

All last season Fillpula was vilified by some uninformed sources. He took a lot of heavy lifting which allowed Couturier and other players to play in better offensive situations. Yea, the numbers weren't good and his offensive game deteriorated but as I said numerous times, the Flyers don't make the playoff without him in my opinion. They need to have some other options to take some of the heat off of the Couturier line in terms of matchups.

Jake 3-9-12, Giroux 3-8-11 Simmonds 6-1-7 (12-18-30)

the rest of the 12 forwards 15-13-28
- nastyflyergirl

I speak in terms of overall play, not just basic stat lines. Do you know the stat lines on GF-GA while those players are on the ice compared to the rest ?

Exactly, depth is there for support....which doesn't mean X player scored so they gave support. Generating offensive chances while being defensively responsible is considered support.

The problem with the Flyers right now is the fact the top players (players with the most minutes played) are just as likely to be scored against as they are to score.
- Glak18

I see it as a problem but not the sole problem.

So true.

I was no fan of Flip, but you can see the void this team has at 3C. That hole is massive.
- ggunky

here is the thing, we all scream about wanting young players to make the team so we can't complain when Hextall doesn't sign a veteran to fill a hole they use for a young player. maybe Vorobyev isn't quite ready for the 3rd line but we all wanted to see him make the team and get experience.

Fans in general can be a little hypocritical. we want kids on the roster but when they struggle we complain about the team.

All in all, there’s a lot of blame to go around:

Coaches: can’t put it all on them, even Lappy, but it’s becoming obvious that the players just aren’t responding to them

Coots: he’s probably playing through a knee injury, but they need more from him. Being the only center on the roster able to match up against a top line isn’t helping either

Jake: the offense is there, but the defensive lapses need to stop

Provy: It’s really not fair to put as much as they do on the shoulders of a 21 year old Dman, but they have no other option. He needs to be better

Ghost: they need him to start generating some offense at ES

AMac: they need him to stop being awful

The pp: this team can’t afford to not be successful on the pp. they need to start scoring again

The pk: no explanation needed

Secondary scoring: they need some forwards not named Scott Laughton to start producing

Goaltending: while better of late, this team can’t afford soft goals and we’ve seen too many of those

Intensity: Come out from the drop of the puck and play like a team that is desperate to start winning. Oh, and if you aren’t desperate to start winning, GET THE (frank) OUT OF TOWN!!

DISCIPLINE: idiotic too many men penalties, leaving the penalty box too soon, asinine stick infractions: THIS SH!T NEEDS TO STOP!! Hey guys, here’s a thought: if your pk blows, why not STOP TAKING DUMB PENALTIES!!!

Ok then, I think that about covers it.

Lack of depth.

When the top players aren't playing at the top of their game this team can't win and alot of times it gets down right ugly.

NoPa
Lindblom
Vorobyev

All 3 of them have been playing below expectations.

JVR being injured since game 2is big lose.

Then the 4th line is just a black hole that is expected to do nothing but play defense.

You add all of this up and you have a fantastic recipe for a crappy product.
- ggunky

This is more of an in general post.

I was just thinking about the whole ‘best players need to be the best players’ concept. It is true.

However, look at last season. Career highs for Couts, Giroux, Provy, Ghost. Seeming breakout year for TK. Last year the best were the best, where did that get us? That’s why the secondary role players matter.

That tends to be the thinking from a lot of people. Players that people believe will get going get a pass, but others who make the same mistakes or less get ripped apart.

The moment Provorov and Ghost (also other core players playing better defensively) get back to their expected levels of play then the team will start to win more, but with the same depth guys.
- Glak18

What do you think would happen if the Flyers could play the Couturier line and Provorov and Gostisbehere less against top lines and play another line along with say MacDonald more against top lines? Do you think that he results for the Couturier line and Provorov and Gostisbehere would improve?

here is the thing, we all scream about wanting young players to make the team so we can't complain when Hextall doesn't sign a veteran to fill a hole they use for a young player. maybe Vorobyev isn't quite ready for the 3rd line but we all wanted to see him make the team and get experience.

Fans in general can be a little hypocritical. we want kids on the roster but when they struggle we complain about the team.
- nastyflyergirl

Not here, I can deal with mistakes from young players...but watching the same players make the same mistakes with years of experience then get a free pass because "I just know they will be better". Just get better now, there is no will be.

so i already posted and responded but yet I can't reply to someone now? this site is so wacky.

in response to MJL - I do like the basic core and think its one you should be able to win with. they do need more production from the young players. I really think Giroux is so underappreciated and while I of course want a cup for selfish reasons, I also want very bad to see Giroux win one here.
- nastyflyergirl

100% agreed. Giroux is soo underrated here and nationally