I can't even get excited about the draft after so many years of having nothing else to root for.
- mayorofangrytown

They have had the # 2 pick in the draft twice in a decade. And came away with zero franchise players. Patrick will be a nice player, but not a franchise player.

Would we trade Robert Hagg for Kasperi Kapanen?

I'm asking because there's no way in the (frank)ing world that Kapanen for Travis Sanheim could be a real rumor about a real hockey trade, that, I figured I would add a much more realistic trade scenario.

TIA

So does Hextall trade Simmonds now, way before deadline, or god forbid injury? His ceiling is probably higher now than at the deadline when teams realize you def aren't handing him a 5yr 7mil per contract.

10 more games of .500 play, 20 game mark, I think coaching changes will finally be made. Should have hired a PK coach over the summer. Lappy can stay with player development, but cmon, its been a bad PK year after year. Something has to change.

Let's not forget Elliott was Hextall FA goalie signing. He has not played bad, but not well. This core always plays like a different team when they are confident in their goalie. I don't feel like they are right now.

What was the issue with the PP goal given up last night and how does firing Lappariere solve that issue?
- MJL

Maybe a new coach utiiizes other players he thinks can get the job done

Also tries a new system

Maybe we are talking about different times. There was a year Avs made playoffs, Mackinnon had a fantastic season then next year were awful and missed playoffs for a bit.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The best change they made seemed to be firing Roy. There are many stories out there but there were rumours Roy had a lot of input into player acquisition during his tenure. Loved the Vets, and pushed for their signings.

Imo you can see a real positive change in that club since they let him go. Coga in the Avs thread would know more.

The Avs are a very “modern” NHL team built on speed and aggression. I sometimes wonder if the Flyers are being guided into that Kings mold of dfirst and being heavy. They don’t really have the horses to run either properly, but I do think the league overall is moving to the former.

Avs rebuilt. They tanked hard. That elite core is mainly part of a rebuild, and their rebuild has gone on for a while.
- flyer_nutter

They acquired quite a bit of talent through trades just like the foundation Holmgren built before his exit. Like most GMs in this organization the downturn came in goal. We're still languishing with that mistake. Fans who only watch the Flyers can praise the Masons and Elliots until they've eased themselves to sleep but having a goalie with a save percentage over .910 can go a long way to making you look and feel like a better team.

Would we trade Robert Hagg for Kasperi Kapanen?

I'm asking because there's no way in the (frank)ing world that Kapanen for Travis Sanheim could be a real rumor about a real hockey trade, that, I figured I would add a much more realistic trade scenario.

TIA
- johndewar

likewise I don't think they would trade Kapanen for Hagg...but oh if they did...now I need a cold shower

The best change they made seemed to be firing Roy. There are many stories out there but there were rumours Roy had a lot of input into player acquisition during his tenure. Loved the Vets, and pushed for their signings.

Imo you can see a real positive change in that club since they let him go. Coga in the Avs thread would know more.

The Avs are a very “modern” NHL team built on speed and aggression. I sometimes wonder if the Flyers are being guided into that Kings mold of dfirst and being heavy. They don’t really have the horses to run either properly, but I do think the league overall is moving to the former.
- flyer_nutter

It's obvious by the players the Flyers are drafting, what kind of team they're trying to become.

The best change they made seemed to be firing Roy. There are many stories out there but there were rumours Roy had a lot of input into player acquisition during his tenure. Loved the Vets, and pushed for their signings.

Imo you can see a real positive change in that club since they let him go. Coga in the Avs thread would know more.

The Avs are a very “modern” NHL team built on speed and aggression. I sometimes wonder if the Flyers are being guided into that Kings mold of dfirst and being heavy. They don’t really have the horses to run either properly, but I do think the league overall is moving to the former.
- flyer_nutter

Fire Roy, Trade Duchene for a haul, actually play Girard, hit on a few other draft picks.

they were never 48 points bad. they had historically terrible luck and were just a mess that year

Would we trade Robert Hagg for Kasperi Kapanen?

I'm asking because there's no way in the (frank)ing world that Kapanen for Travis Sanheim could be a real rumor about a real hockey trade, that, I figured I would add a much more realistic trade scenario.

TIA
- johndewar

I'm not sure if you're over estimating or under estimating but I'm going to make a leap and say both. Not only were they drafted a few picks apart but their pro trajectories are practically identical despite playing different positions.

They acquired quite a bit of talent through trades just like the foundation Holmgren built before his exit. Like most GMs in this organization the downturn came in goal. We're still languishing with that mistake. Fans who only watch the Flyers can praise the Masons and Elliots until they've eased themselves to sleep but having a goalie with a save percentage over .910 can go a long way to making you look and feel like a better team.
- mayorofangrytown

speaking of that...I really disliked the 2nd goal against. 3rd one, yeah you'd love to get a stop there, but looked like a more difficult stop

They acquired quite a bit of talent through trades just like the foundation Holmgren built before his exit. Like most GMs in this organization the downturn came in goal. We're still languishing with that mistake. Fans who only watch the Flyers can praise the Masons and Elliots until they've eased themselves to sleep but having a goalie with a save percentage over .910 can go a long way to making you look and feel like a better team.
- mayorofangrytown

Yup. You can’t just be throwing seasons away by willingly putting in slop between the pipes. Bryzgalov was an experiment that failed but you can’t blame them for trying to address the most important position in the game.

There is a lot of hate toward Hak, and rightfully so - the “fire Hak chants” were out again at the game last night apparently, but it’s tough to win when the goalies are part of the garbage bin year after year.

Look at Anaheim with Gibson and what he does to cover for them.

I do not agree with hanging all hopes on Hart next year unless he somehow lights the fire in the AHL. Again, you can’t just be throwing seasons away. This isn’t year one of a rebuild.

So does Hextall trade Simmonds now, way before deadline, or god forbid injury? His ceiling is probably higher now than at the deadline when teams realize you def aren't handing him a 5yr 7mil per contract.

10 more games of .500 play, 20 game mark, I think coaching changes will finally be made. Should have hired a PK coach over the summer. Lappy can stay with player development, but cmon, its been a bad PK year after year. Something has to change.

Let's not forget Elliott was Hextall FA goalie signing. He has not played bad, but not well. This core always plays like a different team when they are confident in their goalie. I don't feel like they are right now.
- bmoreflyer

You mean when he posts another 30 goals in a season? That’s the type of guy teams don’t want to hand money to? November is a week and half away and he’s got 7 goals. Nobody is saying he’s not prone to mistakes but he’s absolutely productive.

What kind of return would be so great right now that we should simply dump Wayne Simmonds for the sake of dumping him?

speaking of that...I really disliked the 2nd goal against. 3rd one, yeah you'd love to get a stop there, but looked like a more difficult stop
- YuenglingJagr

Honestly didn't see the game last night, couldn't being myself to watch the highlights but even in the games they've won there have been ugly goals. There's zero reason to drop into the butterfly before the shot is even taken which I've found to be Elliott's preferred method. Ideally routine saves would be made and if you're one of 31 starting NHL goalies in the world you should be able to toss in a few above average saves a game and cut down on the soft ones. We haven't gotten that in more than a handful of spurts in more than a decade.

You mean when he posts another 30 goals in a season? That’s the type of guy teams don’t want to hand money to? November is a week and half away and he’s got 7 goals. Nobody is saying he’s not prone to mistakes but he’s absolutely productive.

What kind of return would be so great right now that we should simply dump Wayne Simmonds for the sake of dumping him?
- SuperSchennBros

More along the lines that his value is high, and they might not want to re-sign him for what it will take. So you trade now while the iron is hot?

More along the lines that his value is high, and they might not want to re-sign him for what it will take. So you trade now while the iron is hot?
- bmoreflyer

And you don’t think the iron will remain hot?

Honestly didn't see the game last night, couldn't being myself to watch the highlights but even in the games they've won there have been ugly goals. There's zero reason to drop into the butterfly before the shot is even taken which I've found to be Elliott's preferred method. Ideally routine saves would be made and if you're one of 31 starting NHL goalies in the world you should be able to toss in a few above average saves a game and cut down on the soft ones. We haven't gotten that in more than a handful of spurts in more than a decade.
- mayorofangrytown

I find Elliot to be a stable choice. I cant say I've seen too many games with more than 1 weak GA. Most GA seem to come from poor defensive plays. Failed clears\turnovers, guys getting beat cleanly in battles\ odd man rushes and breakaways. Pickard has been weak. I would rather have Stolarz back. Pickard off waivers was a mistake

More along the lines that his value is high, and they might not want to re-sign him for what it will take. So you trade now while the iron is hot?
- bmoreflyer

Giving a big extension to Wayne is going to be a piss poor mistake in my eyes. It’s goinf to be a debate that’s going to be had throughout the year but I want nothing to do with him, and the contract some idiotic GM will give him.

Flyers need to look past loyalty and their beloved intangibles/leadership. The right move is to trade him, and it would be dumb to let him walk for nothing.

And you don’t think the iron will remain hot?
- SuperSchennBros

No because he isnt a skilled player. He is a smart player that gets in the dirty areas. If we can get a skill guy in exchange for him Id do it in a heart beat. If the Leafs want to send Nylander for him, I will pick up Simmonds in my car, drive him to TO and drive Nylander back.

I find Elliot to be a stable choice. I cant say I've seen too many games with more than 1 weak GA. Most GA seem to come from poor defensive plays. Failed clears\turnovers, guys getting beat cleanly in battles\ odd man rushes and breakaways. Pickard has been weak. I would rather have Stolarz back. Pickard off waivers was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Elliot is a piece of poop. How many NHL teams willingly swap their starters for Elliot. The list is damn small. (frank) him, although he arguably should be a backup at this point in his career.

You mean when he posts another 30 goals in a season? That’s the type of guy teams don’t want to hand money to? November is a week and half away and he’s got 7 goals. Nobody is saying he’s not prone to mistakes but he’s absolutely productive.

What kind of return would be so great right now that we should simply dump Wayne Simmonds for the sake of dumping him?
- SuperSchennBros

I doubt anyone is excited about trading Simmonds but at some point you have to decide if the next contract is one you can commit to. If it isn't then you have to consider moving him for assets instead of letting him walk. I'm sure the guy isn't done but is he still producing 5-7 years from now at an 8 mil clip? Do you want our GM to be the guy who moves on in 4 years and pretends it's not his problem?

If these weren't real problems to work through everyone wouldn't be talking about them. It's an uncomfortable situation for the player, management and the fans. I love the guy but the last thing I want is for him to walk for nothing or become a guy like Filipula who needs to be attached like an anchor to a trade.

I find Elliot to be a stable choice. I cant say I've seen too many games with more than 1 weak GA. Most GA seem to come from poor defensive plays. Failed clears\turnovers, guys getting beat cleanly in battles\ odd man rushes and breakaways. Pickard has been weak. I would rather have Stolarz back. Pickard off waivers was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If the Flyers get their act together in front of him, Elliott is perfectly capable of giving them what he was signed for. To provide adequate goaltending as a bridge to when one of the younger players are hopefully ready to take over. There's also a chance that Neuvirth can provide a short stretch where he can actually stay healthy and get on a hot streak. I don't really trust either him or Pickard.

Elliot is a piece of poop. How many NHL teams willingly swap their starters for Elliot. The list is damn small. (frank) him, although he arguably should be a backup at this point in his career.
- flyer_nutter

I said stable not good or elite. We can win games with Elliot as long as he isnt expected to stand on his head every game.

They have had the # 2 pick in the draft twice in a decade. And came away with zero franchise players. Patrick will be a nice player, but not a franchise player.
- PLindbergh31

I know you somehow blame them that the random lottery didnt work out as number 1 overall.

Please tell me in a draft of no franchise players, Patrick and Nico, who they should have taken.

I find Elliot to be a stable choice. I cant say I've seen too many games with more than 1 weak GA. Most GA seem to come from poor defensive plays. Failed clears\turnovers, guys getting beat cleanly in battles\ odd man rushes and breakaways. Pickard has been weak. I would rather have Stolarz back. Pickard off waivers was a mistake
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Elliott is the perfect choice for a bubble team. Not good enough to be actually good and not bad enough to lose his job. Every team gives up breaks and fails to clear the puck. Eventually it's the shooter, the puck and the goalie. Every break down doesn't need to be in the back of the net.