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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:20 AM ET
Sanheim for Kapanen trade discussion happened here:
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...d_id=155466&forum_id=1%22

- YuenglingJagr


I click that link and see this

VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Oct 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
The "Core" that will likely be competing for multiple cups in about 2-3 years will be centered around Patrick, Provy, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, TK and any of the prospects that rise to the top as well. They need two of their top 6 prospects to hit, but they have a lot of guys who have legit potential to fill those roles (Frost, JOB, Farabee, and to a lesser extent Ratcliffe and Allison).

Couts will be in the bottom years of his prime, Giroux and Jake will be complementary players.

You also need one of the goalie prospects to pan out into a legit starter, but he doesn't have to be an absolute stud, although that would be wonderful
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 23 @ 10:31 AM ET
LOL because I said anywhere I don't like fans talking.

I would have preferred that they went with one of the younger kids in net and Elliot. I would have preferred Varlemov over Elliot.

The only way I see Bob making sense is if you plan on singing him, if that becomes an option, and then trading him again in 2 years because Hart has delivered on his promise.

- opeth_pa

one of the younger kids who havent proved anything, thats a recipe for disaster. Also thats not improving the goaltending; you hope it does is all.

Many here trust what Ronald is doing so clearly he doesn't think much of Lyon or stolarz either as an nhl caliber answer at this point imo.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Oct 23 @ 10:32 AM ET
The "Core" that will likely be competing for multiple cups in about 2-3 years will be centered around Patrick, Provy, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, TK and any of the prospects that rise to the top as well. They need two of their top 6 prospects to hit, but they have a lot of guys who have legit potential to fill those roles (Frost, JOB, Farabee, and to a lesser extent Ratcliffe and Allison).

Couts will be in the bottom years of his prime, Giroux and Jake will be complementary players.

You also need one of the goalie prospects to pan out into a legit starter, but he doesn't have to be an absolute stud, although that would be wonderful

- VladDrag

disagree as don't see this team competing for a cup in the next 2 years at all.
pinkfloydfreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.13.2012

Oct 23 @ 10:34 AM ET
What I can't seem to figure out in year 4 of Hakstol...

We can probably all agree that now in year 4 the players are no longer in the process of learning what Hak wants from them on breakouts, backchecking, o-zone, d-zone, etc...

I think Hextall needs to come to a conclusion about what is the biggest cause for the lack of consistency this team has shown and act to improve it asap. Not wait it out another season. To me these are the general possibilities:

*The talent on the roster simply isn't good enough to execute what any coach wants from them and be successful.

*The way Hakstol is teaching/practicing is unclear and/or the responsibilities that he wants the players to have are unclear/too complex, causing players to be indecisive and hesitant in many situations and leading to defensive lapses and an overall appearance of a lack of team speed often.

*The players do have a full understanding of what Hakstol wants them doing on the ice, and his system is either inappropriate for this roster or inappropriate period.

*The team lacks confidence in the goaltending behind them, and this is the primary cause of inconsistent play from the skaters this season in particular. You can't play your game the way you're supposed to if in the back of your mind you don't feel you can count on your goalie if an odd-man rush goes the other way after you take a risk for example.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Oct 23 @ 10:34 AM ET
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...

Who is this team?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...

Who is this team?

- Konalover


Mark Twain???
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:41 AM ET
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...
She's my daughter...
Shes' my sister...

Who is this team?

- Konalover

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:51 AM ET
Brian Elliott
- jmatchett383


I hear you but difficult for a goalie to do that. He held them in. Im talking about peppering his counter part.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:53 AM ET
Its not that they didnt address it, they lost out in FA. Their options chose elsewhere. Misha may not be ready but he is no worse than Fillpula......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Which FA center do you know for a fact that the Flyers targeted?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:54 AM ET

- Scoob



I am also confused. How can anyone who sings that badly be successful?


NM (thinks of Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger)
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Oct 23 @ 10:56 AM ET
I don't believe we touched on the fact that Hak gave the team off on Sunday. The Devils win was important but still some things to correct. No travel between Sat and Mon games so they had a day to continue to make adjustments. Instead, they get day off and come out flat on Monday. Now I see they are practicing today and Wednesday ahead of Boston.

Could that be the simple reason why we see them as a different team from game to game?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 10:58 AM ET
I hear you but difficult for a goalie to do that. He held them in. Im talking about peppering his counter part.
- MJL


Well then I blame Brian Elliott for not peppering his counterpart.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:59 AM ET
I don't believe we touched on the fact that Hak gave the team off on Sunday. The Devils win was important but still some things to correct. No travel between Sat and Mon games so they had a day to continue to make adjustments. Instead, they get day off and come out flat on Monday. Now I see they are practicing today and Wednesday ahead of Boston.

Could that be the simple reason why we see them as a different team from game to game?

- cdearth23



I would say it deserves a look until you remember that this coming out flat has been an ongoing problem throughout multiple coaches. The only constant has been the leadership group.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 11:00 AM ET
Well then I blame Brian Elliott for not peppering his counterpart.
- jmatchett383


Lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:01 AM ET
I am also confused. How can anyone who sings that badly be successful?


NM (thinks of Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger)

- MBFlyerfan


lol - Jonathan Richman is definitely an acquired taste. I dig him.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
I don't believe we touched on the fact that Hak gave the team off on Sunday. The Devils win was important but still some things to correct. No travel between Sat and Mon games so they had a day to continue to make adjustments. Instead, they get day off and come out flat on Monday. Now I see they are practicing today and Wednesday ahead of Boston.

Could that be the simple reason why we see them as a different team from game to game?

- cdearth23


A clearly aggravated Hakstol addressed that last night and how they're trying different approaches to get the team to respond and come out ready for games.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
I would say it deserves a look until you remember that this coming out flat has been an ongoing problem throughout multiple coaches. The only constant has been the leadership group.
- MBFlyerfan

Which leaders?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
I don't believe we touched on the fact that Hak gave the team off on Sunday. The Devils win was important but still some things to correct. No travel between Sat and Mon games so they had a day to continue to make adjustments. Instead, they get day off and come out flat on Monday. Now I see they are practicing today and Wednesday ahead of Boston.

Could that be the simple reason why we see them as a different team from game to game?

- cdearth23


Seems too simplistic to be the reason
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
I would say it deserves a look until you remember that this coming out flat has been an ongoing problem throughout multiple coaches. The only constant has been the leadership group.
- MBFlyerfan

Hard to argue with that. This group could badly use a guy like Pronger or Timonen in the room.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 23 @ 11:04 AM ET
Not that it is an excuse because the Flyers are capable of playing better, but we do realize that the Avalanche are good, right? It isn't like they lost to the Coyotes at home again
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
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Looks like Travis Konecny is back on the top line in lieu of Wayne Simmonds.


Half way there bois!
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Oct 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
Half way there bois!
- YuenglingJagr


What's the other half? Because I count a few more roster moves
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
Half way there bois!
- YuenglingJagr

So far, so good
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 11:11 AM ET
Half way there bois!
- YuenglingJagr


Lineup for next game

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Nylander-Patrick-Voracek
Laughton-Weal-Lindblom
Weise-Lehtera-Knight

Provorov-Hagg
Ghost-Zaitsev
Folin-Gudas
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