What makes you think Nyquist wouldn't move the needle?

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That that third line moves the needled IMO.
- Rinosaur

Why isn't the 3rd line needle already moved. I don't understand how Brassard isn't getting anything done. They've tried every group of wingers on the team with him (and even started playing him as a winger). I wouldn't be surprised if they are looking to swap him like Perron.

From previous as this blog is analytics!

But it is high danger. If that puck rebounds out on edge and Horny hits it and it goes up and over the pad or roofs it it's a goal. Same as Letang on Tavares, if Letang hits his stick or the puck while JT is shooting and it takes a weird angle it could beat Murray, it just so happened that it didn't that time but doesn't take away that it's in a high danger zone chance.
- 668710

Someone looking at the game, will see that really Tavares had very little chance of scoring regardless of the location of the shot. Hence Leafs fans saying that they didn't really get any good looks (take this as an example), on goal, then you have analytics saying it was a high danger scoring shot so the puppets of analytics say that they did as Tavares shot was high danger. So guys watching the game see that differently than analytics.

Sure you have shots in that area that are legitimate but you also have many that aren't. Horny slapping at a puck up against the goalies pad for example. Is that a hdsc just because of its location? What about a slap shot from Ovi outside the hash marks with the goalie completely obstructed? I'd rather have the Ovi shot as it has way more chance of scoring even though analytics says it's not due to its location.

The discussion was based on 1 saying the Leafs had fewer good scoring chances than the Pens with the analytical response quoting hdsc saying they had more chances.

Analytics should consider location & environment of shot but they don't. It's more false data!

all the talk here has been on the forwards, but let’s be honest our D aren’t doing any favors. Also, Hornqvist is out there turning pucks over and dragging down his teammates. I’m not crazy about Brassard on the wing, but Sheahan looks good when he’s given decent wingers
Put Hornqvist on the 4th line and drop the minutes of JJ and Maatta. If we can find a decent trade for Maatta, I say we pull the trigger. Another offseason has gone by and his foot speed is still awful

all the talk here has been on the forwards, but let’s be honest our D aren’t doing any favors. Also, Hornqvist is out there turning pucks over and dragging down his teammates. I’m not crazy about Brassard on the wing, but Sheahan looks good when he’s given decent wingers
Put Hornqvist on the 4th line and drop the minutes of JJ and Maatta. If we can find a decent trade for Maatta, I say we pull the trigger. Another offseason has gone by and his foot speed is still awful
- WSCTeton17

His foot speed is what it is. It’ll never get better but when it comes to having an active stick I think Maatta is probably the best guy and if not the best he’s second behind Dumo. When it comes to pure races for the puck yeah he’s gonna lose but when it comes to positional defense I think Maatta is solid.

all the talk here has been on the forwards, but let’s be honest our D aren’t doing any favors. Also, Hornqvist is out there turning pucks over and dragging down his teammates. I’m not crazy about Brassard on the wing, but Sheahan looks good when he’s given decent wingers
Put Hornqvist on the 4th line and drop the minutes of JJ and Maatta. If we can find a decent trade for Maatta, I say we pull the trigger. Another offseason has gone by and his foot speed is still awful
- WSCTeton17

The talk is on the forwards because the likelihood of them making any moves on the back-end is very low, especially with Schultz being injured.

While the defense needs to be better, there’s more improvement needed in the play of the forwards IMO.

You suck - as we both know, at least once daily to get your breakfast.
- VeryModernMan

cool

Don’t want one year of a guy who’s solid but won’t move the needle and will then walk or get an overvalued contract for any amount of worth while assets. We can probably find a guy who’ll get close to what Nyquist brings without giving up Hallander.
- Victoro311

lol wut?

From previous as this blog is analytics!





Someone looking at the game, will see that really Tavares had very little chance of scoring regardless of the location of the shot. Hence Leafs fans saying that they didn't really get any good looks (take this as an example), on goal, then you have analytics saying it was a high danger scoring shot so the puppets of analytics say that they did as Tavares shot was high danger. So guys watching the game see that differently than analytics.

Sure you have shots in that area that are legitimate but you also have many that aren't. Horny slapping at a puck up against the goalies pad for example. Is that a hdsc just because of its location? What about a slap shot from Ovi outside the hash marks with the goalie completely obstructed? I'd rather have the Ovi shot as it has way more chance of scoring even though analytics says it's not due to its location.

The discussion was based on 1 saying the Leafs had fewer good scoring chances than the Pens with the analytical response quoting hdsc saying they had more chances.

Analytics should consider location & environment of shot but they don't. It's more false data!
- Aussiepenguin

Well duh I think most people are going to take ovi shooting from that spot. Now you are taking certain players into account. It has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with the area. You no what (frank) it I'm taking Lemieux on a breakaway over ovie shooting from his spot

all the talk here has been on the forwards, but let’s be honest our D aren’t doing any favors. Also, Hornqvist is out there turning pucks over and dragging down his teammates. I’m not crazy about Brassard on the wing, but Sheahan looks good when he’s given decent wingers
Put Hornqvist on the 4th line and drop the minutes of JJ and Maatta. If we can find a decent trade for Maatta, I say we pull the trigger. Another offseason has gone by and his foot speed is still awful
- WSCTeton17

You just can't teach speed, you either have it or you don't. The same goes with aggression/passive play.

Why all the hate with Hornqvist? I get it, he is not a flashy player. But he does the dirty work that was so lacking in the Bylsma days. Also if he is so bad why is in the top third on the team in today's stat tracker?

lol wut?
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, I was quite confused by that statement.

And to your earlier statement, no way on Hallander. I'm sure some other playoff-bound team will give you guys a #1 pick for him, but I'd love to find a better of picking him up.

There will be a bidding war for him come the deadline.

You just can't teach speed, you either have it or you don't. The same goes with aggression/passive play.

Why all the hate with Hornqvist? I get it, he is not a flashy player. But he does the dirty work that was so lacking in the Bylsma days. Also if he is so bad why is in the top third on the team in today's stat tracker?
- Thunderbolt

I've been very up and down on Hornqvist over the past few years, but this seems to be how he operates. I remember a few seasons back when he was getting 4th line duty. I don't remember if that was under Sully or MJ, but this is Horn's game.

We all know he'll be back up with Sid on a somewhat regular basis soon enough.

You just can't teach speed, you either have it or you don't. The same goes with aggression/passive play.

Why all the hate with Hornqvist? I get it, he is not a flashy player. But he does the dirty work that was so lacking in the Bylsma days. Also if he is so bad why is in the top third on the team in today's stat tracker?
- Thunderbolt

Hornqvist is the kind of player you need in tight checking games when chances are tough to come by (ie playoffs). Exactly right about the Bylsma days. We'd get into the playoffs and things would tighten up with nobody capable of crashing the net. That Bruins sweep scarred me for life. Nobody seemed capable of getting within 10 feet of the crease.

It's so early in the season and the schedule has been very light. I'll reserve judgement on basically everything until we see a lot more games. It's got to be hard to gain continuity with all these 4 day breaks.

Don’t want one year of a guy who’s solid but won’t move the needle and will then walk or get an overvalued contract for any amount of worth while assets. We can probably find a guy who’ll get close to what Nyquist brings without giving up Hallander.
- Victoro311

40-50 point guys don’t move the needle? This is bananas.

40-50 point guys don’t move the needle? This is bananas.
- j.boyd919

I'm really hoping Aussie isn't rubbing off on him. I'm concerned.

Well duh I think most people are going to take ovi shooting from that spot. Now you are taking certain players into account. It has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with the area. You no what (frank) it I'm taking Lemieux on a breakaway over ovie shooting from his spot
- 668710

That's the thing. Analytics doesn't take into consideration who is shooting - duh!

You have proven my point. Analytics is pure location.

427 - 296.5. Winner winner chicken dinner!

That's the thing. Analytics doesn't take into consideration who is shooting - duh!

You have proven my point. Analytics is pure location.
- Aussiepenguin

Lmao. You truly are a (frank)tard.

proven my point
- Aussiepenguin

No such thing has ever taken place.

Lmao. You truly are a (frank)tard.
- Feds91Stammer

Well explain it then. Enlighten me.

Maybe 1 day you'll get over your experiences from school.

No such thing has ever taken place.
- Rinosaur

Well I think you've proven the point that you are a wienerhead many times & more.

Well explain it then. Enlighten me.

Maybe 1 day you'll get over your experiences from school.
- Aussiepenguin

You call a singular data point analytics...

There is no hope for you.

427 - 296.5. Winner winner chicken dinner!
- Aussiepenguin

Halfway through the week I was winning by landslide then it just started slipping...ended up winning by small margin 493.50 to 485.50. Now 1st in division.

Halfway through the week I was winning by landslide then it just started slipping...ended up winning by small margin 493.50 to 485.50. Now 1st in division.
- MattStrat

I lost 479 to 550

My score was higher than most in my division, but this guy just killed it.

I lost 479 to 550

My score was higher than most in my division, but this guy just killed it.
- Rinosaur

Yeah the Leafs fall from grace last week is to blame for my slip haha. Happy to get out with the W though.

lol wut?
- Feds91Stammer

No forward is going to move the needle. We have an overload of top 6 forwards on this team. Nyquist will probably get 14-15 minutes a night on the third line here and is yet another natural RW to add to the mix. He'll probably have great PTS per 60 but given the limited ice time he'll get his tangible production can be approximated by guys we already have.

Our issue is our defense. We have one great pairing and two absolutely poopty ones. We can add Kucherov to this team and the only time we play competent hockey is still gonna be when the Letang pairing is on the ice. A needle mover would be a defenseman, not a top 6 forward, and Rutherford believes that the defensive signings we made this offseason were the pieces we needed to shore the blue line up. Its too early to panic or give up on the season, but if we really want to get over the top, we need our blue line to develop competency on the bottom two pairings. A forward would be cool, but wouldn't add a ton of relative value right now.