Sorry UG, but I'll never buy any theory that a coach will change his approach because it might have an effect on contract negociations.
- Scabeh

If Babcock sits down with Dubas and they realize that the PP would be exactly the same with Rielly as it would be with Gardiner but the team stands to benefit from Gardiner having a lower output in his contract year, I'd say it's at least possible. If it was Gardiner who had Rielly's point total, their negotiations would be a nightmare.

Not if Marleau doesn't agree to get traded to Arizona and retire as a Coyote next year.

Who replaces Gardiner?

Where does this #1 RHD come from for free?
- Unholy_Goalie

Do we have to know right now? We dont have to have all the answers oct 2018 ,but its pretty easy to see where 10 million can come from if needed

Kapanen could play LW and the 6 extra million could go to Nylander.

I don't like their LW depth either but it's still better to have the cap space right now.
- Unholy_Goalie

Now now or next year now?

I think having a Marleau on the team for THIS season is pretty excellent. This team can compete with any team at this point and with two of your best 3 players on ELC's it's a helluva year to take shot.

Next year is tricky but you also have a collection of Hainsey/Ennis/Lindholm/Marincin/Oziganhov that will claw back ~2-3mil by being replaced by Marlies (other factors at play with Lindholm/Oz obv). Other moves will need to happen but there is for sure some flexibility and I still don't see Marleau as a cap anchor.

If Babcock sits down with Dubas and they realize that the PP would be exactly the same with Rielly as it would be with Gardiner but the team stands to benefit from Gardiner having a lower output in his contract year, I'd say it's at least possible.
- Unholy_Goalie

It cannot be exactly the same.

Because Rielly and Gardiner are different players.

Babcock will put the most effective unit on the ice, so the team can win games.

That's his job. He doesn't and shouldn't care about the rest.

Tavares is 28 going on 29. He's done.
- Unholy_Goalie

Tavares was a UFA..he didnt cost Nylander

He is also one of the top 5 C in the NHL.

its a little different situation..but dont let that stop your dumb comments

Do we have to know right now? We dont have to have all the answers oct 2018 ,but its pretty easy to see where 10 million can come from if needed
- senstroll

And it's pretty easy to see that Nylander is a surplus and that they need a #1 RHD and that they should get one if they can.

It cannot be exactly the same.

Because Rielly and Gardiner are different players.

Babcock will put the most effective unit on the ice, so the team can win games.

That's his job. He doesn't and shouldn't care about the rest.
- Scabeh

*Babcock flys to Vatican City to meet with Nylander. Numbers were not exchanged.*

Now now or next year now?

I think having a Marleau on the team for THIS season is pretty excellent. This team can compete with any team at this point and with two of your best 3 players on ELC's it's a helluva year to take shot.

Next year is tricky but you also have a collection of Hainsey/Ennis/Lindholm/Marincin/Oziganhov that will claw back ~2-3mil by being replaced by Marlies (other factors at play with Lindholm/Oz obv). Other moves will need to happen but there is for sure some flexibility and I still don't see Marleau as a cap anchor.
- markmark

Both.

They better hope he agrees to retire as a Coyote next year.

My own personal reasons why I feel leafs should try to sign nylander even if it means moving off parts off team (dead wood) to give Willy a decent salary 6 years at:
Year—Pay
1 6.5
2 6.5
3 (marleau off books) $7.25
4$7.25
5$7.5
6$7.5

Brown-kapanen-Johnson-leivo-lindholm-Ennis
To name a few can NOT snipe goals only as nylander can. He is a gifted talented player that leafs need to keep. Only will get better. He is perhaps not the best defensive player but neither is kessel and look what he adds to team. Pay him a little less first two years until marleau is off books or trade marleau now for a decent prospect (left winger) and free up room and pay Willy not exceeding $7.5 aav

And it's pretty easy to see that Nylander is a surplus and that they need a #1 RHD and that they should get one if they can.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not a surplus

Does anyone know if Robert Bortuzzo had Leafs jammies as a kid growing up in Thunder Bay?

It cannot be exactly the same.

Because Rielly and Gardiner are different players.
- Scabeh

It'd be pretty much the same on the PP.

Babcock will put the most effective unit on the ice, so the team can win games.

That's his job. He doesn't and shouldn't care about the rest.

And because it's pretty much a wash who plays the PP between the two, they'd prefer to give the ice time to the guy who already has a nice contract so they can keep the other guy on an equally nice contract. One eye on the present, one eye on the future.

Not a surplus
- senstroll

Matthews, Tavares and Marner.

Surplus.

Both.

They better hope he agrees to retire as a Coyote next year.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well I guess we will just have to disagree. I don't see there being a major issue.

Anyway, I'd prefer not to trade Willy but if they did I'm a big Pietro fan but would rather Parayko. Just don't see STL doing that (or either tbh). I honestly think offers from other teams probably top out around a Faulk and that level of return can suck all the Richards.

It'd be pretty much the same on the PP.



And because it's pretty much a wash who plays the PP between the two, they'd prefer to give the ice time to the guy who already has a nice contract so they can keep the other guy on an equally nice contract. One eye on the present, one eye on the future.
- Unholy_Goalie

I understand the logic.

But I am convinced this is not how a coach operates.

At least not a good one.

It'd be pretty much the same on the PP.



And because it's pretty much a wash who plays the PP between the two, they'd prefer to give the ice time to the guy who already has a nice contract so they can keep the other guy on an equally nice contract. One eye on the present, one eye on the future.
- Unholy_Goalie

Good insight unholy goalie!

It'd be pretty much the same on the PP.



And because it's pretty much a wash who plays the PP between the two, they'd prefer to give the ice time to the guy who already has a nice contract so they can keep the other guy on an equally nice contract. One eye on the present, one eye on the future.
- Unholy_Goalie

I understand the logic.

But I am convinced this is not how a coach operates.

At least not a good one.
- Scabeh

they dont..its ridiculous. but it fits his narrative

Well I guess we will just have to disagree. I don't see there being a major issue.

Anyway, I'd prefer not to trade Willy but if they did I'm a big Pietro fan but would rather Parayko. Just don't see STL doing that. I honestly think offers from other teams probably top out around a Faulk and that level of return can suck all the Richards.
- markmark

If St. Louis were going to trade Pietrangelo, it'd probably be because A) they suck and want to get younger and/or rebuild or B) because they feel they can't re-sign him.

But either way, they'd be keeping Parayko because he's younger and cheaper. Parayko is more unproven and you could be getting a dud in return for Nylander.

Nylander won't be enough to get a number 1 RD. The young kid in Carolina might be possible. Or they could go the other route and see it as a cap boost by trading him for a soon to be UFA and picking up a 1st rounder. McQuaid and a 1st? Rangers pick should be good.

If St. Louis were going to trade Pietrangelo, it'd probably be because A) they suck and want to get younger and/or rebuild or B) because they feel they can't re-sign him.

But either way, they'd be keeping Parayko because he's younger and cheaper. Parayko is more unproven and you could be getting a dud in return for Nylander.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nylander is worth quite a bit more than Pietrangelo.

I understand the logic.

But I am convinced this is not how a coach operates.

At least not a good one.
- Scabeh

I'd agree with you if the team's PP suffered but if it's the same, they only stand to benefit from it long term.

Well I guess we will just have to disagree. I don't see there being a major issue.

Anyway, I'd prefer not to trade Willy but if they did I'm a big Pietro fan but would rather Parayko. Just don't see STL doing that (or either tbh). I honestly think offers from other teams probably top out around a Faulk and that level of return can suck all the Richards.
- markmark

Me too. Parayko has huge potential still.

Nylander is worth quite a bit more than Pietrangelo.
- plantheparade

Yeah, Nylander for Doughty+.

I'd agree with you if the team's PP suffered but if it's the same, they only stand to benefit from it long term.
- Unholy_Goalie

There are probably stats out there that end up proving one player or the other is simply doing a better job on the powerplay.

It's as silly as the whole "if two players have the exact same talent, we're drafting the local boy!"

It doesn't happen! Because you always end up liking a player a little bit more than the other.