There's absolutely no way of knowing this. Like 0% chance anyone knows that they could have found a decent deal for him. I'm fine with Berglund for now, and like I said it helps the kids stay down where they blelong just like Botts time in Pitt suggests he likes to do.
- SDSabre

There’s not
But part of the argument ppl keep making is that StL could’ve moved Berglund somewhere else

If that was the case, then we should’ve said fine instead of trading for him

Between him and Marty's issues with pluralization...
- RhinoFan

At least Marty grew up speaking a different language. He's got an excuse.

Top of the line #2 center at least though
But i didn’t mean to spark another ROR debate

Just think bringing in an average player,
who is under contract for 4yrs,
and then playing him in the wrong role,
is freaking dumb

And it also bothers me that he doesn’t fit into the team speed that Botts keeps talking about

If Berglund was for 1 or 2years,
then ok... i guess

But I’d still rather have not had him at all
- jdfitz77

ROR is a walking contradiction, a defensive, PP specialist.

You keep mentioning plus minus as an indicator of talent. Let me ask:

Do you see Vlad Tarasenko, Mathew Barzal, Alex Pietrangelo or Leon Draisaitl as bad players too? They have the same or worse +/- right now. All players playing top line, top minutes and top power play.

Oh and the two players you identified as playing well (Jack and Sheary) are -6 and -5.
- RhinoFan

I guess, it's the " goal thing " too, not just the -5
Both guys with 3 goals on his line

I know it's crazy, but I've been to all 6 games this year.

Flew to Phoenix Friday, drove to Vegas, visited the grand canyon in between. Flew home last night.

I've watched sam set up sheary on a great pass thru the crease.
I've watched sam hit the post on an awesome backhand pass from eichel.
I've watched sam hit the cross bar.
I watched sam dive/trip on the goal vs. Vegas
I've watched sam, quite a bit.

He is not getting it done.
Tons of pp time.

Plenty of time left in the season to gloat when he turns it around.

But " sam superstar" ect. Is ridiculous.
I think you are trying to tell yourself that sam is playing good.

Let him play good- then be happy.

I would love to see the 2nd half sam ..

Before the second half and eliminated from the playoffs.


Tonight will be his night- now I'm convincing myself

Because I don’t disagree that he probably won’t get 20
- sbroads24

Well then u probably shouldn’t point to his 20goal pace in StL
Makes it seem like u think he can/will do that here

And for the record,
I’m not taking shots at u when i keep calling Berglund slow
I’m just emphasizing that he doesn’t fit the style that Botts wants for our team
And isn’t that one of the arguments ppl used for trading ROR?

A slow winger in StL is a BAD FIT as a defensive 2C/3C for us

If it was a year or 2 like Sobatka,
then i wouldn’t be harping on it so much

I just wanna see this FAST TEAM that Botts says he wants to ice
And bringing in contracts like this DELAY where we wanna be

ROR is a walking contradiction, a defensive, PP specialist.
- Wetbandit1

Lol... i guess that’s well put
At least in his time with us

The other day i told SBroads I’d admit i was wrong of RORs 5v5 numbers don’t improve with StL

At least Marty grew up speaking a different language. He's got an excuse.
- Wetbandit1

Valid.

Pretty much been agreeing alot lately
- Boss34

We’ll be doing karate in the garage in no time
Hahaha

I guess, it's the " goal thing " too, not just the -5
Both guys with 3 goals on his line

I know it's crazy, but I've been to all 6 games this year.

Flew to Phoenix Friday, drove to Vegas, visited the grand canyon in between. Flew home last night.

I've watched sam set up sheary on a great pass thru the crease.
I've watched sam hit the post on an awesome backhand pass from eichel.
I've watched sam hit the cross bar.
I watched sam dive/trip on the goal vs. Vegas
I've watched sam, quite a bit.

He is not getting it done.
Tons of pp time.

Plenty of time left in the season to gloat when he turns it around.

But " sam superstar" ect. Is ridiculous.
I think you are trying to tell yourself that sam is playing good.

Let him play good- then be happy.

I would love to see the 2nd half sam ..

Before the second half and eliminated from the playoffs.


Tonight will be his night- now I'm convincing myself
- Boss34

Samson is a superstar. Watch more. You'll see.

Edit: Crosby is scoreless and Tarasenko is -6 I believe. He'll be fine. He starts every year a little slow.

Because I don’t disagree that he probably won’t get 20
- sbroads24

When you "don't disagree" i assume that means you agree?

"Probably won't get " means unlikely?

I agree that he (berglund) is unlikely to score 20 goals.

Berglund will be single digit goals and super hated on this board.

I guess, it's the " goal thing " too, not just the -5
Both guys with 3 goals on his line

I know it's crazy, but I've been to all 6 games this year.

Flew to Phoenix Friday, drove to Vegas, visited the grand canyon in between. Flew home last night.

I've watched sam set up sheary on a great pass thru the crease.
I've watched sam hit the post on an awesome backhand pass from eichel.
I've watched sam hit the cross bar.
I watched sam dive/trip on the goal vs. Vegas
I've watched sam, quite a bit.

He is not getting it done.
Tons of pp time.

Plenty of time left in the season to gloat when he turns it around.

But " sam superstar" ect. Is ridiculous.
I think you are trying to tell yourself that sam is playing good.

Let him play good- then be happy.

I would love to see the 2nd half sam ..

Before the second half and eliminated from the playoffs.


Tonight will be his night- now I'm convincing myself
- Boss34

We did the right thing & signed Sam to a bridge deal
We’ll know by the end of it whether we should lock him up long term, or move on

I’ve always been a supporter
But he does need to consistently be more like that 2nd half of last year
Too much up & down fluctuations from him

We did the right thing & signed Sam to a bridge deal
We’ll know by the end of it whether we should lock him up long term, or move on

I’ve always been a supporter
But he does need to consistently be more like that 2nd half of last year
Too much up & down fluctuations from him
- jdfitz77

Garage karate time yet?

We did the right thing & signed Sam to a bridge deal
We’ll know by the end of it whether we should lock him up long term, or move on

I’ve always been a supporter
But he does need to consistently be more like that 2nd half of last year
Too much up & down fluctuations from him
- jdfitz77

Could probably get a decent haul for him at tdl.

Well then u probably shouldn’t point to his 20goal pace in StL
Makes it seem like u think he can/will do that here

And for the record,
I’m not taking shots at u when i keep calling Berglund slow
I’m just emphasizing that he doesn’t fit the style that Botts wants for our team
And isn’t that one of the arguments ppl used for trading ROR?

A slow winger in StL is a BAD FIT as a defensive 2C/3C for us

If it was a year or 2 like Sobatka,
then i wouldn’t be harping on it so much

I just wanna see this FAST TEAM that Botts says he wants to ice
And bringing in contracts like this DELAY where we wanna be
- jdfitz77

The contract value has to be included in this discussion. The only team that may have been in market for ROR that could absorb his cap hit without money going the other way would have been Arizona. And they had (relatively) nothing of value to offer. If and when the decision was made to move ROR, money had to come back. The long-term money decreased from $7.5 to 3.8; almost exactly half. If a buyout or waivers or trade is in the future, the money will decline further. The trade was about freeing money and getting a first, along with useful depth. I see both sides of it. For the price of 1 person, we get 3 people to play relatively good hockey, plus the late first rounder (meh) and cap flexibility

Could probably get a decent haul for him at tdl.
- TheHank

Every team is looking for a wimpy, small, slow : over picked and under performing players.

Especially playoff bound teams.
They love soft players .

Decent hall?

Good sized bingo hall in an up and coming area. Sure

When you "don't disagree" i assume that means you agree?

"Probably won't get " means unlikely?

I agree that he (berglund) is unlikely to score 20 goals.

Berglund will be single digit goals and super hated on this board.
- Boss34

If he was actually a good defensive center,
then I’d be ok with him...
even if he was only around 15goals

But all he’s really doing is winning faceoffs

Heck...
move Berglund to LW, to at least see if he can get scoring

Berglund-Mittelstadt-Thompson
Skinner-Rodrigues-Okposo
*roll the top3 lines
Girgensons-Sobatka-Pominville

Heck... put Berglund & Tage with Jack even

Garage karate time yet?
- Boss34

I’m ordering bunk beds as we speak!
Hahaha

Could probably get a decent haul for him at tdl.
- TheHank

Ok. You're right. I understand.

Could probably get a decent haul for him at tdl.
- TheHank

I’d want a good young player back,
as opposed to an ROR-like return of multiple pieces

That was my big issue with moving him
U never seem to get back a player(s) who will end up as good as the guy you’re trading away

Every team is looking for a wimpy, small, slow : over picked and under performing players.

Especially playoff bound teams.
They love soft players .

Decent hall?

Good sized bingo hall in an up and coming area. Sure
- Boss34

Everything is relative boss.
If we are in fact talking about a wimpy, slow, small, etc player at least he is on a cheaper bridge deal which could in turn bring a “decent” haul for him. I was responding to a comment regarding him being signed to a bridge deal and being able to move on from him.

I’d want a good young player back,
as opposed to an ROR-like return of multiple pieces

That was my big issue with moving him
U never seem to get back a player(s) who will end up as good as the guy you’re trading away
- jdfitz77

A team that's in the market for a very good player is not the kind of team that's going to part with a very good player though.

We know at least 2 things about the trade situation:

Botterill offered ROR for 3OA to Bergevin

Chayka and Botterill talked

Presumably Botterill asked for 5OA and Chayka balked. After not being able to obtain a garth-brand premium piece, Botterill opted to go for a move that solved the depth issue, and it bought a lottery ticket in the late first, while providing long-term roster flexibility.

It's well known that I also would have kept him for another year, but I understand the thought process

The contract value has to be included in this discussion. The only team that may have been in market for ROR that could absorb his cap hit without money going the other way would have been Arizona. And they had (relatively) nothing of value to offer. If and when the decision was made to move ROR, money had to come back. The long-term money decreased from $7.5 to 3.8; almost exactly half. If a buyout or waivers or trade is in the future, the money will decline further. The trade was about freeing money and getting a first, along with useful depth. I see both sides of it. For the price of 1 person, we get 3 people to play relatively good hockey, plus the late first rounder (meh) and cap flexibility
- jcragcrumple

Just bc StL had to move $$$ out to fit ROR,
doesn’t mean it all had to go to us
We could’ve told them to trade him somewhere else
If they couldn’t... then that’s their problem
We didn’t get enough back otherwise to make it worth it

Again though...
this isn’t so much about the ROR trade,
as it is that we just shouldn’t have wanted Berglund
1) he’s slow-
and doesn’t fit the team speed Botts wants (wasn’t that a reason ppl said to move ROR?)
2) 4yrs on his deal-
preventing us from bringing up talent that’s ready (Nylander now, others coming)
3) moved to the wing in StL-
and we are trying to make him a defensive center... a role that doesn’t fit him


Can we get rid of him somehow in the next year?
Maybe
But the point is that we shouldn’t have put ourselves in the position to have to worry about it

Now if StL said...
we’ll trade u Parayko (or another good young player), but you’ve gotta take Berglund & Sobatka off our hands...
That’s a different story

Unless it’s a deal like that though,
then we can’t keep bringing in these types of contracts/players
It’s just more “meh” that we now need to move out

A team that's in the market for a very good player is not the kind of team that's going to part with a very good player though.

We know at least 2 things about the trade situation:

Botterill offered ROR for 3OA to Bergevin

Chayka and Botterill talked

Presumably Botterill asked for 5OA and Chayka balked. After not being able to obtain a garth-brand premium piece, Botterill opted to go for a move that solved the depth issue, and it bought a lottery ticket in the late first, while providing long-term roster flexibility.

It's well known that I also would have kept him for another year, but I understand the thought process
- jcragcrumple

Like when Forsberg got traded for Erat?

We didn’t have to trade ROR if we didn’t get the deal we wanted
If that is the deal Botts wanted,
then I’m questioning him as a GM

Again though...
not trying to make this about ROR

It was about all the ways Berglund is a bad fit for us, hence we shouldn’t have traded for him

Just bc StL had to move $$$ out to fit ROR,
doesn’t mean it all had to go to us
We could’ve told them to trade him somewhere else
If they couldn’t... then that’s their problem
We didn’t get enough back otherwise to make it worth it

Again though...
this isn’t so much about the ROR trade,
as it is that we just shouldn’t have wanted Berglund
1) he’s slow-
and doesn’t fit the team speed Botts wants (wasn’t that a reason ppl said to move ROR?)
2) 4yrs on his deal-
preventing us from bringing up talent that’s ready (Nylander now, others coming)
3) moved to the wing in StL-
and we are trying to make him a defensive center... a role that doesn’t fit him

Can we get rid of him somehow in the next year?
Maybe
But the point is that we shouldn’t have put ourselves in the position to have to worry about it

Now if StL said...
we’ll trade u Parayko (or another good young player), but you’ve gotta take Berglund & Sobatka off our hands...
That’s a different story

Unless it’s a deal like that though,
then we can’t keep bringing in these types of contracts/players
It’s just more “meh” that we now need to move out
- jdfitz77

1.) True
2.) Berglund isn't holding Nylander back from a spot. There are others below Berglund taking up spots. Plus, Nylander looked great on Berglund's wing, and so did Berglund
3.) Disagree. I think he's a pretty solid center. You have to admit, he's great on the dot. His f/o ability is good and he's defensively reliable.

The money situation is undeniable. He's making 3.8 to be a solid defensive forward. It's really fine.

I'll agree to an underwhelming return in terms of star-caliber play, but Botterill made the move for cap reasons, and to fill out depth that's been sorely lacking.

The speed is the biggest knock, and you're not wrong. But there's a longer term vision at play here

Like when Forsberg got traded for Erat?

We didn’t have to trade ROR if we didn’t get the deal we wanted
If that is the deal Botts wanted,
then I’m questioning him as a GM

Again though...
not trying to make this about ROR

It was about all the ways Berglund is a bad fit for us, hence we shouldn’t have traded for him
- jdfitz77

I mean, cmon, you're gonna cherry pick one of the worst deals since Y2K?