It’s not so much the Cap Hit,
as it is the player we are stuck with

Maybe we can give him to Seattle?
I’d prefer we never had him to begin with

And PLENTY of internet ink has been (and still is) wasted on Sabres who make much less
- jdfitz77

I think what can be argued is whether we are "stuck" with him or not. Easy to buy out, not costly to trade and 2.85m if buried in the minors so nothing dire.

Hey, you asked a question without knowing the answer, that's not my fault.

Edit: Sorry I missed Schwartz missed 2 games, Crosby hasn't though.
- Wetbandit1

Entertaining discussion.

Sam needs to get going.

I think we can agree on that

Maybe?

Idk, I can't argue argue about him anymore. He's on pace for a 4th consecutive 7 goal season. Well he's on pace for 0 goals, but maybe he'll get 7 again. There's always the intangibles
- jcragcrumple

Falling over when someone looks at him?

O I'd much rather have ROR then Berglund too. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. Problem is there were FOUR MORE PIECES in that trade (3 if you want to discount the only player in the trade that has a goal on the season). That's not my point and I don't think(not speaking for anyone here) that anyone else is saying Berglund is the superior player. Again, how do you feel about ROR's contract now vs where it'll be in 3 years?
- SDSabre

Impossible to say
But i don’t feel ROR is gonna have the huge drop off that other do

And I’m not trying to make this about the O’Reilly trade so much as I’m trying to say that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless

AGAIN
1) he’s not gonna score for us like he did with StL
2) he’s not at all a good defensive center, there’s a reason StL moved him to the wing
3) he’s slow, and doesn’t fit the “team speed” that Botts & Housley are trying to build
4) 4years on his contract, with a NTC

Even if we traded ROR to the Isles...
I wouldn’t have wanted us to bring in Berglund in a separate deal

He doesn’t fit the role we need him to play,
or the style we want to play

That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is there should've been 2 separate deals, 1 for O'Rielly and 1 deal to take on the craptracts of Bergy and Svbotka.

St. Louis would be in bad shape if they still had the two dinosaurs with those two crapyracts which was more than what Ryan was being paid.
- MLew65

They had to move them to fit ROR's salary. We're also not taking into consideration where Botts comes from. Pittsburg incubated their young players in the A for quite a long time (many have said this is Botts philosophy). So while our young guys are currently killing it in the A, you need players to play in the show. Maybe that's why they were brought back, to keep the kids down. Now with how both are playing it'll be interesting to see what Botts does.

We won’t miss him

He and Sobatka combine to play 31.5min a night
and have combined for 1g & 1a

That have won faceoffs for us...
but i heard those don’t matter 😂😂😂
- jdfitz77

Let's include tage and his ZERO points too.

Berglund sucks. It's been reported

That is such a bad take. Bogo and ROR for McNabb and that's it? We can get a McNabb replacement with the first rounder (probably better). You're forgetting that we traded him for nothing and he wasn't protected by the Kings. He had a decent year in Vegas, that hardly makes him worth ROR. Ludicrous
- SDSabre

The Bogo comment aimed at him as being part of the St'Louis trade.

Entertaining discussion.

Sam needs to get going.

I think we can agree on that
- Boss34

Absolutely, the entire team does.

Maybe?

Idk, I can't argue argue about him anymore. He's on pace for a 4th consecutive 7 goal season. Well he's on pace for 0 goals, but maybe he'll get 7 again. There's always the intangibles
- jcragcrumple

I hear ya, it is tiresome.

Like that 4th line of him, pommer and rod. As long as he isn't getting top9 minutes it seems better. Good PK work thus far this year by him.

I think what can be argued is whether we are "stuck" with him or not. Easy to buy out, not costly to trade and 2.85m if buried in the minors so nothing dire.
- RhinoFan

Alright
I guess I’ve been too strong on the “stuck with him”
But if he continues this play all season,
it’s tough to see a team trading for him

And to bury him,
it costs us 2.85 PLUS the Cap hit of the player we replace him in the lineup with
So it’s gonna be at least 3.5
Regardless... it’s not ideal

And these are the guys we are trying to phase out & move on from
Not the kind of guys we should be bringing in

Impossible to say
But i don’t feel ROR is gonna have the huge drop off that other do

And I’m not trying to make this about the O’Reilly trade so much as I’m trying to say that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless

AGAIN
1) he’s not gonna score for us like he did with StL
2) he’s not at all a good defensive center, there’s a reason StL moved him to the wing
3) he’s slow, and doesn’t fit the “team speed” that Botts & Housley are trying to build
4) 4years on his contract, with a NTC

Even if we traded ROR to the Isles...
I wouldn’t have wanted us to bring in Berglund in a separate deal

He doesn’t fit the role we need him to play,
or the style we want to play
- jdfitz77

Fair. See my post below yours a 'possible' reason for Berglund and the dirty pod racer coming back. There are so many ways this could viewed, and I don't think it's as easy Berglund sucks, take him out back like ol' yeller.

Falling over when someone looks at him?
- jochfr

Sorry Im late I have been busy.

The Bogo comment aimed at him as being part of the St'Louis trade.
- MLew65

That doesn't make any part of McNabb for ROR straight up any better.

Absolutely, the entire team does.
- Wetbandit1

Eichel
Sheary
Risto
Dahlin
Hutton
Ullmark

Have all played well


Sam
Okposo
McCabe
Berglund
Nelson

All terrible

Eichel
Sheary
Risto
Dahlin
Hutton
Ullmark

Have all played well


Sam
Okposo
McCabe
Berglund
Nelson

All terrible
- Boss34

He's got more important things to do besides play well He's got a team to run goddamnit

They had to move them to fit ROR's salary. We're also not taking into consideration where Botts comes from. Pittsburg incubated their young players in the A for quite a long time (many have said this is Botts philosophy). So while our young guys are currently killing it in the A, you need players to play in the show. Maybe that's why they were brought back, to keep the kids down. Now with how both are playing it'll be interesting to see what Botts does.
- SDSabre

I say oh well . keep those craptracts. We'll keep our #1 center. We're not here to do any huge favors for any team and that's just what we did

Let's include tage and his ZERO points too.

Berglund sucks. It's been reported
- Boss34

I was HUGE in saying i was upset about Tage (dumb name too, lol) being the young piece we got back

Only 6 games though
So I’m not giving up on him yet
I do think it’s dumb putting him on a “defensive” line though

Either play him with Jack or Mitts,
or send him down

And he’s got this great shot supposedly...
let’s try to work it to him on PP2,
like we do with Jack on PP1

At least try to put the kid on a position where he can be successful

Let's include tage and his ZERO points too.

Berglund sucks. It's been reported
- Boss34

I think Berglund has absolutely sucked so far.

I also don't judge a guy with 170 goals in 600 something games off of a 6 game sample on a new team

I say oh well . keep those craptracts. We'll keep our #1 center. We're not here to do any huge favors for any team and that's just what we did
- MLew65

I think that there's a solid chances that they five pieces for ROR that at the very least one will turn out for BUF. But that's just my spicy take of the afternoon.

He's got more important things to do besides play well He's got a team to run goddamnit
- SDSabre

Nelson is going to be running the Rochester amerks soon.

*if he isn't already

I think Berglund has absolutely sucked so far.

I also don't judge a guy with 170 goals in 600 something games off of a 6 game sample on a new team
- sbroads24

700 as of the Vegas game

Nelson is going to be running the Rochester amerks soon.

*if he isn't already
- Boss34

Taking over a winning team. I like it.

I say oh well . keep those craptracts. We'll keep our #1 center. We're not here to do any huge favors for any team and that's just what we did
- MLew65

Who was a #1 center?

Impossible to say
But i don’t feel ROR is gonna have the huge drop off that other do

And I’m not trying to make this about the O’Reilly trade so much as I’m trying to say that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless

AGAIN
1) he’s not gonna score for us like he did with StL
2) he’s not at all a good defensive center, there’s a reason StL moved him to the wing
3) he’s slow, and doesn’t fit the “team speed” that Botts & Housley are trying to build
4) 4years on his contract, with a NTC

Even if we traded ROR to the Isles...
I wouldn’t have wanted us to bring in Berglund in a separate deal

He doesn’t fit the role we need him to play,
or the style we want to play
- jdfitz77

Yet it’s crystal clear when talking about Berglund.

Logical

Fair. See my post below yours a 'possible' reason for Berglund and the dirty pod racer coming back. There are so many ways this could viewed, and I don't think it's as easy Berglund sucks, take him out back like ol' yeller.
- SDSabre

Well I’ve seen ppl on here saying that StL could’ve moved Berglund to another team

So we should’ve said ok to that

Sobatka they might not have been able to
So while i also don’t like him,
at least we only had 2years of his deal left