Look at it this way: last year we couldn't have scratched someone of Berglund's caliber. The traded afforded us a certain amount of depth
- jcragcrumple

Berglund is hurt.

Jaden Schwartz

So, yes, a handful of really good players have yet to score this season.
- Wetbandit1

Bandit- you're good at this game.

Well played. Schwartz was hurt though.

I’d MUCH rather have ROR than Berglund
We’ve beat that to death though

Point is...
Berglund isn’t a guy we should’ve wanted
He’s not playing well,
And he’s got 4 years left

We traded for a guy who was MOVED TO THE WING, and are asking him to play tough minutes as our defensive center
That’s a guy we are “counting on”

And that was a dumb idea imo
- jdfitz77

Still completely avoided his question. Bravo

No one else wanted OReilly and his contract was also an albatross.
- sabresfan69

In our favor the #1 center in the league has term left. He wasn't on an expiring contract and he's also in the prime of his career so the 3yrs at 7.5 mil left on the contract takes him to 30 yrs of age and for THE #1 center 7.5 isn't too bad. If you want the best you have to pony up period.

GMJB should've kept O'Reilly for the season and dealt him at the trade deadline, where I feel we could've gotten a better return as playoff contending teams would've lined up for him.

What would you rather have, two aged 3-4th liners at more than 7.5 mil or the number 1 center for a lil less and an open spot for one of our youngsters to take?

BAD TRADE, GMJB TOOK IT UP THE POOPER LIKE A WILLING female dog.

1) it’s still a bad contract bc of the length,
and it’s not gonna look better as the years go by
2) u keep talking about what he did in StL,
like he’s gonna repeat it here...
not happening though dude

It’s not about the Cap Hit
It’s about having a player who isn’t gonna help us all that much

I’d rather have Nylander in the lineup
- jdfitz77

Yeah, but even if the cap just goes up by the escalator, at least one year it's guaranteed to go up when Seattle starts, and we could always pay a 3rd to get them to take Berglund as well. A $3.85M contract is not worth wasting internet ink on, at all.

In our favor the #1 center in the league has term left. He wasn't on an expiring contract and he's also in the prime of his career so the 3yrs at 7.5 mil left on the contract takes him to 30 yrs of age and for THE #1 center 7.5 isn't too bad. If you want the best you have to pony up period.

GMJB should've kept O'Reilly for the season and dealt him at the trade deadline, where I feel we could've gotten a better return as playoff contending teams would've lined up for him.

BAD TRADE, GMJB TOOK IT UP THE POOPER LIKE A WILLING female dog.
- MLew65

Except he had term, not a rental. Moves like that aren't made at the deadline to contenders who are usually against the cap

I’d MUCH rather have ROR than Berglund
We’ve beat that to death though

Point is...
Berglund isn’t a guy we should’ve wanted
He’s not playing well,
And he’s got 4 years left

We traded for a guy who was MOVED TO THE WING, and are asking him to play tough minutes as our defensive center
That’s a guy we are “counting on”

And that was a dumb idea imo
- jdfitz77

O I'd much rather have ROR then Berglund too. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. Problem is there were FOUR MORE PIECES in that trade (3 if you want to discount the only player in the trade that has a goal on the season). That's not my point and I don't think(not speaking for anyone here) that anyone else is saying Berglund is the superior player. Again, how do you feel about ROR's contract now vs where it'll be in 3 years?

Look at it this way: last year we couldn't have scratched someone of Berglund's caliber. The traded afforded us a certain amount of depth.

O'Reilly is better than any of these guys. But there are positives
- jcragcrumple

I don’t wanna keep making this about O’Reilly, bc it’s really not

It’s that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless...
and we certainly shouldn’t want him in the defensive center role
He’s slow, and StL moves him to the wing for a reason

I’d rather have Asplund & Nylander in the lineup right now, and in the future...
than be stuck with Berglund for 4 years

O I'd much rather have ROR then Berglund too. I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. Problem is there were FOUR MORE PIECES in that trade (3 if you want to discount the only player in the trade that has a goal on the season). That's not my point and I don't think(not speaking for anyone here) that anyone else is saying Berglund is the superior player. Again, how do you feel about ROR's contract now vs where it'll be in 3 years?
- SDSabre

He's avoiding the question because it blows up his entire argument that overpaid players are ones we should avoid.

Keller was completely invisible vs. Buffalo.


Sam isnt playing 3rd line center this year with non NHL players?
He is getting prime ice time and pp time with eichel.


Excuses are running thin.

-5 in 6 games. That's hard to defend, but I'm sure you'll find a way.
- Boss34

It's bad, but I'm sorry, when Sidney Crosby hasn't scored either because it's only 6 goddamn games and anything can happen in 6 games. It's ridiculous to draw any conclusions. Come back after game 25 and then I'll be with you carrying a pitchfork if the numbers still haven't normalized.

Bandit- you're good at this game.

Well played. Schwartz was hurt though.
- Boss34

Hey, you asked a question without knowing the answer, that's not my fault.

Edit: Sorry I missed Schwartz missed 2 games, Crosby hasn't though.

In our favor the #1 center in the league has term left. He wasn't on an expiring contract and he's also in the prime of his career so the 3yrs at 7.5 mil left on the contract takes him to 30 yrs of age and for THE #1 center 7.5 isn't too bad. If you want the best you have to pony up period.

GMJB should've kept O'Reilly for the season and dealt him at the trade deadline, where I feel we could've gotten a better return as playoff contending teams would've lined up for him.

What would you rather have, two aged 3-4th liners at more than 7.5 mil or the number 1 center for a lil less and an open spot for one of our youngsters to take?

BAD TRADE, GMJB TOOK IT UP THE POOPER LIKE A WILLING female dog.
- MLew65

This post makes it seem like we gave up an actual number 1 center for just Berglund. Problem is we got a lot more than that and ROR isn't exactly a top notch #1 center in this league. Me may be a good/great #2 center, but he sure isn't a top 20 C in the league in anything other then FO.

I mean, this is kind of rich coming from the guy who claims we can fit everyone under the sun under the cap.
- sbroads24

I'll be laughing at this for a while. Well done.

It's bad, but I'm sorry, when Sidney Crosby hasn't scored either because it's only 6 goddamn games and anything can happen in 6 games. It's ridiculous to draw any conclusions. Come back after game 25 and then I'll be with you carrying a pitchfork if the numbers still haven't normalized.
- Wetbandit1

Same

Berglund is hurt.
- sbroads24

We won’t miss him

He and Sobatka combine to play 31.5min a night
and have combined for 1g & 1a

That have won faceoffs for us...
but i heard those don’t matter 😂😂😂

I don’t wanna keep making this about O’Reilly, bc it’s really not

It’s that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless...
and we certainly shouldn’t want him in the defensive center role
He’s slow, and StL moves him to the wing for a reason

I’d rather have Asplund & Nylander in the lineup right now, and in the future...
than be stuck with Berglund for 4 years
- jdfitz77

I can get behind the argument, except it was made about the trade for ROR. If you want the kids playing, I get that. And you may be right. I just don't know that I completely agree that Berglund is as bad as he's played thus far. And maybe I'll be wrong and be willing to eat crow if I am. That's the thing about opinions. When more facts are presented, one can be willing to change ones mind on issues. Right now, I'm on the let's wait and see express.

I don’t wanna keep making this about O’Reilly, bc it’s really not

It’s that we shouldn’t have wanted Berglund regardless...
and we certainly shouldn’t want him in the defensive center role
He’s slow, and StL moves him to the wing for a reason

I’d rather have Asplund & Nylander in the lineup right now, and in the future...
than be stuck with Berglund for 4 years
- jdfitz77

Idk, I disagree with the bolded

To the broader point, I'd rather have Berglund than Okposo, Girgensons, Larsson, or Pominville. That includes all factors of contract, age, etc.

At $3.8, I'm fine. There's plenty of options. He's totally fine imo

Keller was completely invisible vs. Buffalo.


Sam isnt playing 3rd line center this year with non NHL players?
He is getting prime ice time and pp time with eichel.


Excuses are running thin.

-5 in 6 games. That's hard to defend, but I'm sure you'll find a way.
- Boss34

Invisible or not, the point stands, not sure how his performance against us changes anything. Crosby hasn't scored either as was mentioned.

He's one of the few players consistently producing offense. His line is a collective -16. Not sure +/- is the best thing to bring up here while on your Samson-hate-rant of the day.

Except he had term, not a rental. Moves like that aren't made at the deadline to contenders who are usually against the cap
- sbroads24

Some will be cash strapped, some won't but a better deal could've been made. For what we got I would've called Vegas to see if we could've plucked McNabb from the for Ryan.

A 2-3 defenseman would've been idea.

If Bogo went with O'Reilly I wouldn't be too sore about it.

Yeah, but even if the cap just goes up by the escalator, at least one year it's guaranteed to go up when Seattle starts, and we could always pay a 3rd to get them to take Berglund as well. A $3.85M contract is not worth wasting internet ink on, at all.
- Wetbandit1

It’s not so much the Cap Hit,
as it is the player we are stuck with

Maybe we can give him to Seattle?
I’d prefer we never had him to begin with

And PLENTY of internet ink has been (and still is) wasted on Sabres who make much less

Idk, I disagree with the bolded

To the broader point, I'd rather have Berglund than Okposo, Girgensons, Larsson, or Pominville. That includes all factors of contract, age, etc.

At $3.8, I'm fine. There's plenty of options. He's totally fine imo
- jcragcrumple

I'm actually fine with Girgs on the 4th line getting paid like a 4th liner. Everyone else can go though.

Idk, I disagree with the bolded

To the broader point, I'd rather have Berglund than Okposo, Girgensons, Larsson, or Pominville. That includes all factors of contract, age, etc.

At $3.8, I'm fine. There's plenty of options. He's totally fine imo
- jcragcrumple

Girgs has looked better to me this year. Wrong?

Some will be cash strapped, some won't but a better deal could've been made. For what we got I would've called Vegas to see if we could've plucked McNabb from the for Ryan.

A 2-3 defenseman would've been idea.

If Bogo went with O'Reilly I wouldn't be too sore about it.
- MLew65

That is such a bad take. Bogo and ROR for McNabb and that's it? We can get a McNabb replacement with the first rounder (probably better). You're forgetting that we traded him for nothing and he wasn't protected by the Kings. He had a decent year in Vegas, that hardly makes him worth ROR. Ludicrous

This post makes it seem like we gave up an actual number 1 center for just Berglund. Problem is we got a lot more than that and ROR isn't exactly a top notch #1 center in this league. Me may be a good/great #2 center, but he sure isn't a top 20 C in the league in anything other then FO.
- SDSabre

That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is there should've been 2 separate deals, 1 for O'Rielly and 1 deal to take on the craptracts of Bergy and Svbotka.

St. Louis would be in bad shape if they still had the two dinosaurs with those two craptracts which was more than what Ryan was being paid. But, instead they shed more than $7.5 mil AND open up two spots for younger, faster, cheaper players.

Girgs has looked better to me this year. Wrong?
- RhinoFan

Maybe?

Idk, I can't argue argue about him anymore. He's on pace for a 4th consecutive 7 goal season. Well he's on pace for 0 goals, but maybe he'll get 7 again. There's always the intangibles