Come on man, Matthews and Marner are on another level and it’s completely different with them. Horrible point.

And the Bruins point. Completely different.

The Leafs are loaded on the RW and depleted on RD....you can do the math there. And Willie has too obviously.

The Leafs would much rather have a top RHD on a good contract than Nylander. And if a team offers that they would probably say yes. I really can’t understand why you don’t get that. You actually talk a lot on here about how the Leafs need a top RHD.
- Santo_44

A bit extreme, but point still stands. Nylander at $6M per season is more valuable to us. We can make up cap space or trade other pieces to get a top 4 RHD.

A bit extreme, but point still stands. Nylander at $6M per season is more valuable to us. We can make up cap space or trade other pieces to get a top 4 RHD.
- PatC80

Nylander at 6M is considerably more valuable than at 8M.

But that's still no guarantee he wouldn't get traded.

A bad season here, a decent offer for a defenseman there.....

It's part of the game really. Unless you have a NMC, which he can't have.

All Dubas can do is tell him that he has no intention of trading him and hopes he'll never have to. That's all he can say at this point.

Willy isn't a ppg forward. He's only managed 61 points twice playing on the first line with Matthews.

You know which team Willy would be valuable to at 6x6? The LEAFS! If he's on a fair deal, it's easier to keep everyone. If he's signed for too much, they will NEED to trade him.

Besides, this problem is the same that every good player faces. And he's not on a discount deal if it's more than 6mil. He's simply getting what he's worth.

Is Pasternak worried about being traded cause he's on a good deal? Guadreau? Ehlers? All are on fair deals and can't have NTC's. Why is Willy different? Cause Leafs?
- Thecakeisalie

Lol. And Kucherov only scored 65 point back to back seasons playing next to Stamkos at the same age before breaking out at 80 points then 100 points....

And maybe because it’s a different situation?? Willie’s position is a surplus. RHD is not.

Put yourself in his shoes...you see there is a massive hole in the RHD position. You are confident you can be a PPG player. And you realize that if the Leafs realize they need a D badly. Matthews and Marner aren’t getting traded. Tavares isn’t. Kadri/Kap aren’t nearly good enough to get that top RHD. Nylander is the one that can possibly get it.

It’s easy to say as a fan that he is being dumb...but this is his life at stake. He doesn’t want to play at a cheap long term deal playing for Arizona. It’s his right.

Nylander at 6M is considerably more valuable than at 8M.

But that's still no guarantee he wouldn't get traded.

A bad season here, a decent offer for a defenseman there.....

It's part of the game really. Unless you have a NMC, which he can't have.

All Dubas can do is tell him that he has no intention of trading him and hopes he'll never have to. That's all he can say at this point.
- Scabeh

Yep. Same thing CBJ probably said to Saad and look where he is now.

Yep. Same thing CBJ probably said to Saad and look where he is now.
- Santo_44

In the stands, watching the Blackhawks play.

I think 2 year deal at 4.5 mil. is fair for both sides.

I think the Leafs should let him sit for a year. A waste but it may come down to that.

worth a read.

Someone asked about the Mathtews/Nylander with and without stats.
Thats covered.

https://mapleleafsnation....nylander-worth-8-million/
- senstroll

The only gripe I have about these things is this: When they show Matthews' stats with and without Willy playing, they don't take into account who his different linemate actually is.

If you go from having a good linemate to a bad linemate, it's probably going to affect your game negatively, regardless of how good you are. So if you compare him playing with Willy on his wing, compared to say, Brown, he's probably going to have less offense.

If you replace Willy with Marner, then it might actually look like Matthews is better without Willy. It all depends on who his replacement actually is during that time. Maybe if Kapanen plays with Matthews for half a season or so, then we could compare how Matthews does with Willy compared to Kappy that might be useful for some purposes like, "is Willy replaceable with someone else we have in the system (Kapanen)?" rather than just looking at the stats available with Willy or without.

This is all fine and dandy in theory, but why would a team trade a top RHD on a good contract for Nylander asking for 8M a year?
- Scabeh

I’m saying if Nylander signed for 6 Million.

I think 2 year deal at 4.5 mil. is fair for both sides.

I think the Leafs should let him sit for a year. A waste but it may come down to that.
- zazzle

I honestly cannot see him staying in Toronto after "losing" a year after a contract dispute.

I’m saying if Nylander signed for 6 Million.
- Santo_44

Yeah I got that way too late.

In the stands, watching the Blackhawks play.
- Scabeh

YUP.

But Dubas won’t do that because I just know it

Andersen?

or Anders5n?
- Scabeh

Ander7en

Nylander at 6M is considerably more valuable than at 8M.

But that's still no guarantee he wouldn't get traded.

A bad season here, a decent offer for a defenseman there.....

It's part of the game really. Unless you have a NMC, which he can't have.

All Dubas can do is tell him that he has no intention of trading him and hopes he'll never have to. That's all he can say at this point.
- Scabeh

This is meaningless fluff there Scabie - I think he can have a NTC kick in in the last two years if he signs for 7. But the bottom line at this point is Matthews/Marner/JT/Morgan are not going anywhere - so Nylander remains a movable asset. Let's go for one beer, I promise i'll respect you in the morning,..........

[quote=Santo_44]

So you're laughing at my comment, and then compare Nylander to Kucherov? Don't be ridiculous.

And every RFA goes through this. Leafs CAN'T give him an NTC.

Nylander at 6M is considerably more valuable than at 8M.

But that's still no guarantee he wouldn't get traded.

A bad season here, a decent offer for a defenseman there.....

It's part of the game really. Unless you have a NMC, which he can't have.

All Dubas can do is tell him that he has no intention of trading him and hopes he'll never have to. That's all he can say at this point.
- Scabeh

Yeah.. That's part of the game, I get it. Especially, if Nylander struggles for whatever reason. The thing is though, Dubas has said countless number of times that he won't trade Nylander. Promised it to Tavares as well, plus other GM's have come out and said he won't trade him.. What else does Nylander need to hear?

This is meaningless fluff there Scabie - I think he can have a NTC kick in in the last two years if he signs for 7. But the bottom line at this point is Matthews/Marner/JT/Morgan are not going anywhere - so Nylander remains a movable asset. Let's go for one beer, I promise i'll respect you in the morning,..........
- winsix

From my understanding, you cannot give a NMC to a player on his 2nd professional contract.

I could easily be wrong about this.

And I was only saying that's all he could do if getting traded is something that worries Nylander.

[quote=Thecakeisalie]

Kucherov 21 years old-65 points
Kucherov 22 years old-66 points

With Stamkos

Nylander 20 years old-61 points
Nylander 21 years old-61 points

With Matthews

They are extremely similar at the same ages and points in their career. Don’t be ignorant.

Yeah.. That's part of the game, I get it. Especially, if Nylander struggles for whatever reason. The thing is though, Dubas has said countless number of times that he won't trade Nylander. Promised it to Tavares as well, plus other GM's have come out and said he won't trade him.. What else does Nylander need to hear?
- PatC80

He doesn't need to hear anything.

He needs the Kyle Dubas sex tape.

As insurance.

From my understanding, you cannot give a NMC to a player on his 2nd professional contract.

I could easily be wrong about this.

And I was only saying that's all he could do if getting traded is something that worries Nylander.
- Scabeh

If he signs an 8 year deal, the last 3 years could have a NTC or NMC clause, cause they would be buying up UFA years.

Yeah.. That's part of the game, I get it. Especially, if Nylander struggles for whatever reason. The thing is though, Dubas has said countless number of times that he won't trade Nylander. Promised it to Tavares as well, plus other GM's have come out and said he won't trade him.. What else does Nylander need to hear?
- PatC80

Things change.

Plenty of players have signed long term deals with the intention of playing in their respected teams for the duration of the contract only to be traded a year or two later. It happens and could happen to Nylander.

I was hoping if I didn't look at hockey all day I'd open up the intrawebs to Nylander being signed.

[quote=Santo_44]

So does this mean Marner is destined to be superior to Kucherov? Those numbers are fine and dandy, but it doesn't guarantee he'll have the same improvement that Kucherov did in numbers. You're arguing that because Kuch improved to ppg that Nylander must also. It's incorrect logic man.

But hey, If Willy wants to sign a bridge like Kucherov did, then fine. Then we can trade him rather than worry about his new salary demands when it's finished.

The best way to stay on the team for him is to take a fair deal (or less obviously). Demanding more than he's worth, or forcing a bridge deal, makes it more likely he gets traded.

If he signs an 8 year deal, the last 3 years could have a NTC or NMC clause, cause they would be buying up UFA years.
- PatC80

After a 5 sec research. It seems you and Winsix are right.

He could have a NMC for his ufa years.

Ander7en
- Aetherial

(frank) off

Anders3n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ennis in Johnsson out tonight.