Dubas: Mitchy, bud sign here.. Contract for 8 years, at $8M per season.. Works for everyone, right?
Marner: naw, man.. I'm gonna wait a year and then get the $9M/$10M I deserve. I'm playing with Johnny frikin T.
Dubas: (Sobbing) But, but Max...? Max said, this would work..
Marner: Yes, but Max is a (frank)ing windowlicker
Dubas:
- PatC80

Fixed!

i have no idea but playing in a big market. cup competing team. elite superstar center.... hes got the perfect situation here outside of money.
- systemtool

He got the cover of NHL 19 in Sweden. That simply does not happen if he’s not on the Leafs. Plenty of better Swedes out there.

Or a team offers a D with a great contract for Nylander with a great contract.

Nylander absolutely has a right to be worried about that
- Santo_44

Yeah I completely understand why he wouldn’t want to take a discount for the Leafs so they can fit in Matthews Marner Tavares easier, just to be traded in a year or two to some poop hole because they need D and him on a cheap contract, is a great asset to dangle. Sign a sweet heart deal to play in Toronto but plays most the deal somewhere like Carolina.

worth a read.

Someone asked about the Mathtews/Nylander with and without stats.
Thats covered.

https://mapleleafsnation....nylander-worth-8-million/

Or a team offers a D with a great contract for Nylander with a great contract.

Nylander absolutely has a right to be worried about that
- Santo_44

But then, he's gonna have to worry about it until he becomes a UFA.. Other than assuring him, he won't be traded what else can Dubas do?
Dubas has flown out to Switzerland, numerous GM's have said Dubas won't trade Nylander.. Dubas promised Tavares he would be able to keep the core together.. WTF else can he do to convince Willy?

Yeah I completely understand why he wouldn’t want to take a discount for the Leafs so they can fit in Matthews Marner Tavares easier, just to be traded in a year or two to some poop hole because they need D and him on a cheap D is a great asset to dangle. Sign a sweet heart deal to play in Toronto but plays most the deal somewhere like Carolina.
- ClarksonDavid

Yep. He’s negotiating with a new GM to the league...If it was a GM that’s been around for a while and has shown to show loyalty to RFA’s then maybe that helps. But Willie has no idea what Dubas would do.

A 4 year deal makes the most sense...Willie would be more willing to take a discount.

worth a read.

Someone asked about the Mathtews/Nylander with and without stats.
Thats covered.

https://mapleleafsnation....nylander-worth-8-million/
- senstroll

About time one of the nerds in leafs nation answered the (frank)ing question.

I don't think you can fault Lou or Dubas, to be honest.

If Nylander is looking for $8 million X 8, no Leafs GM should reach a deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sure, but maybe last year he would have been more open to a lower number. The Leafs pretty much didnt even bother to talk to him from what I recall. You could be right though.

Fixed!
- .HOHO.

fist

edit typo - First
- Drapz

Either is acceptable.

In fact, some on here might prefer "fist".

But then, he's gonna have to worry about it until he becomes a UFA.. Other than assuring him, he won't be traded what else can Dubas do?
Dubas has flown out to Switzerland, numerous GM's have said Dubas won't trade Nylander.. Dubas promised Tavares he would be able to keep the core together.. WTF else can he do to convince Willy?
- PatC80

6-8 years is a long time...a lot can change in that time span. CBJ signed Saad for 6 years and then was traded a year later...why? Because they were offered Panarin and who in their right mind would turn that down?

So if the leafs sign him to a cheap 7 year deal...and he scores a PPG this season. Then in the off-season let’s say Columbus loses Panarin to UFA. Werenski and Jones both have career years and CBJ needs a star forward. They offer the Leafs Jones for Nylander. Is Dubas going to say no because he gave Willie his “word”? (frank) no. Dubas takes that all day.

Now, there are definitely players out there that are willing to take that risk...obviously Willie isn’t that type of player but can we blame him? He values his financial life and he has every right to.

Yep. He’s negotiating with a new GM to the league...If it was a GM that’s been around for a while and has shown to show loyalty to RFA’s then maybe that helps. But Willie has no idea what Dubas would do.

A 4 year deal makes the most sense...Willie would be more willing to take a discount.
- Santo_44

Yeah, I’d love to get him on a long term deal in the range of 6-7 a year but it’s not going to happen. 3 or 4 seems like a compromise. If he signs a two year deal, the Leafs can negotiate with him on a long term deal next July correct?

Yeah I completely understand why he wouldn’t want to take a discount for the Leafs so they can fit in Matthews Marner Tavares easier, just to be traded in a year or two to some poop hole because they need D and him on a cheap contract, is a great asset to dangle. Sign a sweet heart deal to play in Toronto but plays most the deal somewhere like Carolina.
- ClarksonDavid

I don't understand to be honest, why it would be so important to him. I think it's just media speculating on why he won't sign.. We all know TSN would have traded Nylander 14 times last week alone.

Dubas can't give him a NTC or a NMC. It's not an option available to them. Is Nylander really gonna worry about being traded until he is a UFA?
A sweet heart deal, would mean he would stay here.. If a player is out-performing their contract, why would you trade him?

About time one of the nerds in leafs nation answered the (frank)ing question.
- Scabeh

Exactly

i bet Dubas and his nerds did the same thing and came to a similar conclusion.

Exactly

i bet Dubas and his nerds did the same thing and came to a similar conclusion.
- senstroll

Nerds.

We (frank)ing need em.

6-8 years is a long time...a lot can change in that time span. CBJ signed Saad for 6 years and then was traded a year later...why? Because they were offered Panarin and who in their right mind would turn that down?

So if the leafs sign him to a cheap 7 year deal...and he scores a PPG this season. Then in the off-season let’s say Columbus loses Panarin to UFA. Werenski and Jones both have career years and CBJ needs a star forward. They offer the Leafs Jones for Nylander. Is Dubas going to say no because he gave Willie his “word”? (frank) no. Dubas takes that all day.

Now, there are definitely players out there that are willing to take that risk...obviously Willie isn’t that type of player but can we blame him? He values his financial life and he has every right to.
- Santo_44

Ok but, outside of a miracle, where CBJ loses Panarin and both Werenski and Jones put up a combined 200 points, Dubas' word should be worth something to Willy.

Ok but, outside of a miracle, where CBJ loses Panarin and both Werenski and Jones put up a combined 200 points, Dubas' word should be worth something to Willy.
- PatC80

It can be any team in the league...Carolina, Anaheim, Arizona, ect

A PPG forward at 6 millionx6 years is insanely valuable. The leafs have a massive hole in D...you are wishfully thinking here. Nylander should and is worried about this.

Dubas: Mitchy, bud sign here.. Contract for 8 years, at $8M per season.. Works for everyone, right?
Marner: naw, man.. I'm gonna wait a year and then get the $9M/$10M I deserve. I'm playing with Johnny frikin T.
Dubas: (Sobbing) But, but Max...? Max said, this would work..
- PatC80

Nylander should've produced more during a contract year if he wanted more $$ on his upcoming contract. Not produce the exact same as the year prior to that. He didn't all while playing with a star centerman both years.

The guy hasn't proven he's worth more than what Dubas says he's willing to sign him for.

Matthews and Marner are likely going to have breakout years and produce some serious points like Nylander should've tried to do last year when it was his chance to try and cash in. And they are going to sign for more than he will get. He can mope all he wants about that, but he has no one to blame but himself.

This whole situation is getting annoying lol, cant help but scratch your head and say wtf.

It can be any team in the league...Carolina, Anaheim, Arizona, ect

A PPG forward at 6 millionx6 years is insanely valuable. The leafs have a massive hole in D...you are wishfully thinking here. Nylander should and is worried about this.
- Santo_44

Then Kapanen, Marner and Matthews should also be worried about being traded..
Yes, it's insanely valuable, but to the team, to keep that player because he'd be out-performing the value of the contract.

Think of it this way, if Boston were to be in cap trouble, would Pastrnak be the first guy they trade? Likely, no.. That's because he has more value to the team than what they are paying him. You can open up cap space by making other moves. (Gardiner, Marleau, Hainsey, Zaitsev, Brown)

I feel a decision coming within the next week for Willy. If he truly wants to be a Leafer like he stated, then he's got to start thinking with a clearer head.

Then Kapanen, Marner and Matthews should also be worried about being traded..
Yes, it's insanely valuable, but to the team, to keep that player because he'd be out-performing the value of the contract.

Think of it this way, if Boston were to be in cap trouble, would Pastrnak be the first guy they trade? Likely, no.. That's because he has more value to the team than what they are paying him. You can open up cap space by making other moves. (Gardiner, Marleau, Hainsey, Zaitsev, Brown)
- PatC80

Come on man, Matthews and Marner are on another level and it’s completely different with them. Horrible point.

And the Bruins point. Completely different.

The Leafs are loaded on the RW and depleted on RD....you can do the math there. And Willie has too obviously.

The Leafs would much rather have a top RHD on a good contract than Nylander. And if a team offers that they would probably say yes. I really can’t understand why you don’t get that. You actually talk a lot on here about how the Leafs need a top RHD.

It can be any team in the league...Carolina, Anaheim, Arizona, ect

A PPG forward at 6 millionx6 years is insanely valuable. The leafs have a massive hole in D...you are wishfully thinking here. Nylander should and is worried about this.
- Santo_44

Willy isn't a ppg forward. He's only managed 61 points twice playing on the first line with Matthews.

You know which team Willy would be valuable to at 6x6? The LEAFS! If he's on a fair deal, it's easier to keep everyone. If he's signed for too much, they will NEED to trade him.

Besides, this problem is the same that every good player faces. And he's not on a discount deal if it's more than 6mil. He's simply getting what he's worth.

Is Pasternak worried about being traded cause he's on a good deal? Guadreau? Ehlers? All are on fair deals and can't have NTC's. Why is Willy different? Cause Leafs?

Come on man, Matthews and Marner are on another level and it’s completely different with them. Horrible point.

And the Bruins point. Completely different.

The Leafs are loaded on the RW and depleted on RD....you can do the math there. And Willie has too obviously.

The Leafs would much rather have a top RHD on a good contract than Nylander. And if a team offers that they would probably say yes. I really can’t understand why you don’t get that. You actually talk a lot on here about how the Leafs need a top RHD.
- Santo_44

This is all fine and dandy in theory, but why would a team trade a top RHD on a good contract for Nylander asking for 8M a year?

Willy isn't a ppg forward. He's only managed 61 points twice playing on the first line with Matthews.

You know which team Willy would be valuable to at 6x6? The LEAFS! If he's on a fair deal, it's easier to keep everyone. If he's signed for too much, they will NEED to trade him.

Besides, this problem is the same that every good player faces. And he's not on a discount deal if it's more than 6mil. He's simply getting what he's worth.

Is Pasternak worried about being traded cause he's on a good deal? Guadreau? Ehlers? All are on fair deals and can't have NTC's. Why is Willy different? Cause Leafs?
- Thecakeisalie

Exactly, signing a deal for 6 years for $6M. Won't be traded. That would be too valuable to us