I know you're not the brightest guy.
but it is quite obvious that Marner will be able to demand a higher AAV after this season, than before this season.
Marner was willing to make a deal before the season - if Leafs' management would offer a good contract.
Now he's going to wait until after this season.

Marner at 9million AAV might not be possible anymore after this season, while he woudl have likely signed a long term extension at that AAV before start of this season.
- plantheparade

I understand the logic behind what you're saying Max.

The bolded is where I'm losing you.

When did Marner ever say he'd take such a deal?

It's not that Dubas won't give him a NTC, it's that he can't give him a NTC. It's not allowed for RFA players. I honestly, don't know what Nylander's end game is.. Is it just that he won't budge on the $8M ask?
- PatC80

that was my point. i edited my typo. sorry.

I understand the logic behind what you're saying Max.

The bolded is where I'm losing you.

When did Marner ever say he'd take such a deal?
- Scabeh

Read between the lines, Scabby.. It was somewhere between "never" and "it didn't actually happen."

To me, it's either more or less 7M on a long term contract or a 1 to 2 year deal between 4.5 and 5M.
- Scabeh

he must be sticking to 8x8
maybe Dubas is not budging off 6 or 6.5

I see both sides, but my fandom just wants him to sign

don't be so sure


show him the evidence max!
- TheMussel

I know you're not the brightest guy.
but it is quite obvious that Marner will be able to demand a higher AAV after this season, than before this season.
Marner was willing to make a deal before the season - if Leafs' management would offer a good contract.
Now he's going to wait until after this season.

Marner at 9million AAV might not be possible anymore after this season, while he woudl have likely signed a long term extension at that AAV before start of this season.
- plantheparade

All I know is what I read in the news. Educate me max. I am oh so anxious to read all about these reports of Marner willing to take 8 million/year before the season started.

Read between the lines, Scabby.. It was somewhere between "never" and "it didn't actually happen."
- PatC80

I'm so glad you're here to clear things up for me. These are confusing times.

I know you're not the brightest guy.
but it is quite obvious that Marner will be able to demand a higher AAV after this season, than before this season.
Marner was willing to make a deal before the season - if Leafs' management would offer a good contract.
Now he's going to wait until after this season.

Marner at 9million AAV might not be possible anymore after this season, while he woudl have likely signed a long term extension at that AAV before start of this season.
- plantheparade

Saying it many times doesnt change that you are making stuff up

All I know is what I read in the news. Educate me max. I am oh so anxious to read all about these reports of Marner willing to take 8 million/year before the season started.
- TheMussel

True.

And then another $3 million once the season started...

I'm so glad you're here to clear things up for me. These are confusing times.
- Scabeh

You're welcome.

Hermey doesn't wanna score goals and take a home town discount therefore.... he will not be attending the circus he will infact be going back to production at the north pole.

that was my point. i edited my typo. sorry.
- systemtool

I figured as much.. The issue I honestly have, is I don't know what his end game is? Is it simply that he won't budge on the $8M he is asking for?

Its easy to see why Nylander's camp is hesitating....he doesnt want to take $6M AAV for 8yrs contract this year and watch Marner sign a $9M-$10M AAV contract next summer when the two of them have almost identical numbers between 2016-2018. If that isnt bad enough pill to swallow, he's concerned that if he agrees to $6M he doesnt have a NTC which means Dubas can trade him to a poopty team (AZ for OEL for example). If this scenario were to unfold WN29 would easily be stuck on a team where he is far and away the best player but not making best player money (12% of the cap - which is what McD, AM34, SC87 etc signed or will sign for) and then he is eesentially screwed for the length of the contract term.
- Turnitaround

50 million to play hockey on the leafs in a potential dynasty

sign me up!

I figured as much.. The issue I honestly have, is I don't know what his end game is? Is it simply that he won't budge on the $8M he is asking for?
- PatC80

i have no idea but playing in a big market. cup competing team. elite superstar center.... hes got the perfect situation here outside of money.

i have no idea but playing in a big market. cup competing team. elite superstar center.... hes got the perfect situation here outside of money.
- systemtool

winter sux tho

winter sux tho
- TheMussel

I'm pretty sure he was born in Calgary. Winter shouldn't matter to him.. They only get like 12 days of warm weather.

winter sux tho
- TheMussel

alot less for millionaires who are travelling for half the winter.

alot less for millionaires who are travelling for half the winter.
- systemtool

True!

Wait this isn't being fair.



SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!

True!

Wait this isn't being fair.



SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!
- TheMussel

Connor McDavid didnt demand a trade out of Edmonton.

Also, the entire Winnipeg Jets roster.

i don't hate Dubas.
Just think he's not doing a great job.

Matthews unsigned
Marner unsigned
Loses McElhinney for nothing
Loses Pickard for nothing
Wants to desperately keep Holl instead of Carrick for no clear reason
Nylander not signed yet
etc.

Contract negotiations arent always easy. I think it was more of a Lou mistake to not try and lock up Nylander earlier, not Dubas. And by all accounts, it seems to me like Nylander is overvaluing himself. This should be signed at the Leafs reasonable price IMO.

Losing the goalies for nothing is inconsequential, you realize that you cant just demand something that GM's arent willing to give right? Both of those goalies will likely be back on waivers this year. Not something to be angry about at all

Carrick stunk, and Babcock wasnt playing him. They got a camp dump, and a low pick. Talk about being overly negative

I notice you didnt mention he signed Tavares, which outweighs all of those moves by a mile.

Before start of this season, Marner woudl surely have taken 8mln / 8y, and Matthews 11million/8y.
Now, those numbers are off the table. It's bad management.
- plantheparade

Both Marner, Matthews and their agents weren't in a rush to sign contracts and wanted to wait to see how this season played out before putting pen to paper. So there is nothing Dubas could've done differently.

Both Marner, Matthews and their agents weren't in a rush to sign contracts and wanted to wait to see how this season played out before putting pen to paper. So there is nothing Dubas could've done differently.
- LeafGuy89

Also conjecture but I would wager that this take is closer to reality.

i don't hate Dubas. Yes you do
Just think he's not doing a great job. Yes he is

Matthews unsigned WRONG, still on ELC
Marner unsigned WRONG, still on ELC
Loses McElhinney for nothing Wanted to keep Sparks
Loses Pickard for nothing Wanted to keep Sparks
Wants to desperately keep Holl instead of Carrick for no clear reason Because he thinks Holl is better
Nylander not signed yet Without being on the inside of the conversation, there is no way you can say it's HIS fault, so stop trying to
etc.

p.s.:
things he obviously did well:
Tavares signing
Lindholm signing
Ozhiganov signing
- plantheparade

STFU Max

Contract negotiations arent always easy. I think it was more of a Lou mistake to not try and lock up Nylander earlier, not Dubas. And by all accounts, it seems to me like Nylander is overvaluing himself. This should be signed at the Leafs reasonable price IMO.
- Archaic

I don't think you can fault Lou or Dubas, to be honest.

If Nylander is looking for $8 million X 8, no Leafs GM should reach a deal.

I have to disagree, to an extent.. I think if Nylander signs a "team-friendly" deal, that he won't be traded, as that actually helps us more. If he signs for $8M or whatever it is he wants, he's more likely to be traded.. We wouldn't be able to afford the big 4.
- PatC80

Or a team offers a D with a great contract for Nylander with a great contract.

Nylander absolutely has a right to be worried about that