This is absolutely ridiculous. Your hate for Dubas so honestly pretty funny.
- Archaic

i don't hate Dubas.
Just think he's not doing a great job.

Matthews unsigned
Marner unsigned
Loses McElhinney for nothing
Loses Pickard for nothing
Wants to desperately keep Holl instead of Carrick for no clear reason
Nylander not signed yet
etc.

p.s.:
things he obviously did well:
Tavares signing
Lindholm signing
Ozhiganov signing

Let's hope Freddy doesn't tweak his knee again rushing him back. *knocks on wood*
- LeafGuy89

If hes not a 100%, he shouldnt play tonight.
No need to.

i don't hate Dubas.
Just think he's not doing a great job.

Matthews unsigned
Marner unsigned
Loses McElhinney for nothing
Loses Pickard for nothing
Wants to desperately keep Holl instead of Carrick for no clear reason
Nylander not signed yet
etc.

p.s.:
things he obviously did well:
Tavares signing
Lindholm signing
Ozhiganov signing
- plantheparade

Do tell us how another GM would handle signing Marner and Matthews, and what their contracts would look like.

This.

Everything being reported right now, included the supposed demands of Nylander and the supposed targets of the Leafs, is nonsense BS by sports journalists who know they can just say whatever they want to create news without basis.

Everyone outside of those involved knows absolutely nothing right now.

For all we know, this whole thing could be a planned holdout to legally circumvent the CBA by taking advantage of the artificially higher cap hit in year one for RFAs that sign late!
- mcleafs

Or
For all we know, everything being reported is correct.

Or parts of it are.


Or...who gives a sh!t

Today on “Where in the World is William Nylander?”, Nylander skates with Dornbirner EC (EBEL) in Dornbirn, Austria.

Nylander is in Dornbirn visiting his sister, Jacquline, who was competing in a tennis tournament. #LeafsForever pic.twitter.com/CfxeihfVJT

— Complete Hockey News (@CompleteHkyNews) October 18, 2018

Today on “Where in the World is William Nylander?”, Nylander skates with Dornbirner EC (EBEL) in Dornbirn, Austria.

Nylander is in Dornbirn visiting his sister, Jacquline, who was competing in a tennis tournament. #LeafsForever pic.twitter.com/CfxeihfVJT

— Complete Hockey News (@CompleteHkyNews) October 18, 2018

- TheMussel

Playing hard to get with Dubas by going to another country eh?

i don't hate Dubas.
Just think he's not doing a great job.

Matthews unsigned
Marner unsigned
Loses McElhinney for nothing
Loses Pickard for nothing
Wants to desperately keep Holl instead of Carrick for no clear reason
Nylander not signed yet
etc.

p.s.:
things he obviously did well:
Tavares signing
Lindholm signing
Ozhiganov signing
- plantheparade

He shopped Pickard and found no takers. I don't think Carrick is very good, so losing a 6-7 guy and keeping a different 6-7 guy and gaining about $500k in cap space isn't a big deal.

Losing McElhinney sucks, but again, there's some additional cap room afforded by keeping Sparks.

Not signing Nylander is a good move if the dollars don't make sense. You can't judge that until it's done. If he overpays in the end, then it was a bad move.

I doubt Marner is in a hurry to sign a contract with a full year playing with JT waiting and 2 years of less production than Nylander behind him.

Same with Matthews. He was always going for at least $11m. If he keeps it up, he'll go for $12 or more and he'll be worth it.

Do tell us how another GM would handle signing Marner and Matthews, and what their contracts would look like.
- TheMussel

For starters Lou would have had pictures of their parents tied up with their feet in buckets of concrete . . . you know. Standard negotiating tactics.

Its easy to see why Nylander's camp is hesitating....he doesnt want to take $6M AAV for 8yrs contract this year and watch Marner sign a $9M-$10M AAV contract next summer when the two of them have almost identical numbers between 2016-2018. If that isnt bad enough pill to swallow, he's concerned that if he agrees to $6M he doesnt have a NTC which means Dubas can trade him to a poopty team (AZ for OEL for example). If this scenario were to unfold WN29 would easily be stuck on a team where he is far and away the best player but not making best player money (12% of the cap - which is what McD, AM34, SC87 etc signed or will sign for) and then he is eesentially screwed for the length of the contract term.

contd frm - Today @ 1:25 PM ET

Instead he should agree to a 2-3yr $4-5M contract and bet on himself. He's gonna play with AM34 who's a man on a mission and that is just gonna pad WM29's numbers and put him in line for a better payday. this should benefit both team because by then the TML should be rid of Marleau's and Hainsey's contracts which will allow them to some room for willy's raise

He shopped Pickard and found no takers. I don't think Carrick is very good, so losing a 6-7 guy and keeping a different 6-7 guy and gaining about $500k in cap space isn't a big deal.

Losing McElhinney sucks, but again, there's some additional cap room afforded by keeping Sparks.

Not signing Nylander is a good move if the dollars don't make sense. You can't judge that until it's done. If he overpays in the end, then it was a bad move.

I doubt Marner is in a hurry to sign a contract with a full year playing with JT waiting and 2 years of less production than Nylander behind him.

Same with Matthews. He was always going for at least $11m. If he keeps it up, he'll go for $12 or more and he'll be worth it.
- Monkeypunk

Before start of this season, Marner woudl surely have taken 8mln / 8y, and Matthews 11million/8y.
Now, those numbers are off the table. It's bad management.

Its easy to see why Nylander's camp is hesitating....he doesnt want to take $6M AAV for 8yrs contract this year and watch Marner sign a $9M-$10M AAV contract next summer when the two of them have almost identical numbers between 2016-2018. If that isnt bad enough pill to swallow, he's concerned that if he agrees to $6M he doesnt have a NTC which means Dubas can trade him to a poopty team (AZ for OEL for example). If this scenario were to unfold WN29 would easily be stuck on a team where he is far and away the best player but not making best player money (12% of the cap - which is what McD, AM34, SC87 etc signed or will sign for) and then he is eesentially screwed for the length of the contract term.
- Turnitaround

on the flip side though, if being traded is actually a concern (probably just posturing)..being on a cheaper deal could make it more likley they want to keep him.. players out preforming their contracts are what winning teams need.

Also its easier to keep all your good players. and if they cant because all are paid too much..WN is the first to go.

I didnt think it would drag on this long, I assumed they would settle at 7 or just under on a long term deal by now

Before start of this season, Marner woudl surely have taken 8mln / 8y, and Matthews 11million/8y.
Now, those numbers are off the table. It's bad management.
- plantheparade

this is pure speculation and no way do you now any of this at all.

on the flip side though, if being traded is actually a concern (probably just posturing)..being on a cheaper deal could make it more likley they want to keep him.. players out preforming their contracts are what winning teams need.

Also its easier to keep all your good players. and if they cant because all are paid too much..WN is the first to go.

I didnt think it would drag on this long, I assumed they would settle at 7 or just under on a long term deal by now
- senstroll

To me, it's either more or less 7M on a long term contract or a 1 to 2 year deal between 4.5 and 5M.

this is pure speculation and no way do you now any of this at all.
- senstroll

don't be so sure


show him the evidence max!

don't be so sure


show him the evidence max!
- TheMussel

contd frm - Today @ 1:25 PM ET

Instead he should agree to a 2-3yr $4-5M contract and bet on himself. He's gonna play with AM34 who's a man on a mission and that is just gonna pad WM29's numbers and put him in line for a better payday. this should benefit both team because by then the TML should be rid of Marleau's and Hainsey's contracts which will allow them to some room for willy's raise
- Turnitaround

A bridge deal, would be a loss for Dubas. Nylander will outperform the bridge deal and then he'd ask for $9M/$10M per season.. Get him signed long term now, to avoid that from happening.

on the flip side though, if being traded is actually a concern (probably just posturing)..being on a cheaper deal could make it more likley they want to keep him.. players out preforming their contracts are what winning teams need.

Also its easier to keep all your good players. and if they cant because all are paid too much..WN is the first to go.

I didnt think it would drag on this long, I assumed they would settle at 7 or just under on a long term deal by now
- senstroll

Agreed. Nylander on a 8yr deal at $6M per season, would not be traded. If it was $8M per season, he'd be the first to go.

Its easy to see why Nylander's camp is hesitating....he doesnt want to take $6M AAV for 8yrs contract this year and watch Marner sign a $9M-$10M AAV contract next summer when the two of them have almost identical numbers between 2016-2018. If that isnt bad enough pill to swallow, he's concerned that if he agrees to $6M he doesnt have a NTC which means Dubas can trade him to a poopty team (AZ for OEL for example). If this scenario were to unfold WN29 would easily be stuck on a team where he is far and away the best player but not making best player money (12% of the cap - which is what McD, AM34, SC87 etc signed or will sign for) and then he is eesentially screwed for the length of the contract term.
- Turnitaround

But its unjustifiable.

Every player that signs as a RFA can be traded at anytime. Ive never heard of a player in the NHL as a RFA making millions more because they can possibly be traded. It's part of the CBA and league rules. Leafs arent trying to shaft him out of a NTC. His insecurities and concerns are his problem and the Leafs should not have to over pay because of a hypothetical trade they have every right to make. 6million for a 60pt rfa player is not anywhere close to a discount.

2nd, the reason why Marner is said to be able to get 8-9 million and make more than Nylander is because its being speculated hes about to have a break out year. Before his contract is up. Nylander should have done the same. He didnt. He put up 60pts instead. So yea of course if Marner racks up the points hes going to get paid more. Nylander should have done that too but he didn't.

this is pure speculation and no way do you now any of this at all.
- senstroll

Dubas: Mitchy, bud sign here.. Contract for 8 years, at $8M per season.. Works for everyone, right?
Marner: naw, man.. I'm gonna wait a year and then get the $9M/$10M I deserve. I'm playing with Johnny frikin T.
Dubas: (Sobbing) But, but Max...? Max said, this would work..

don't be so sure


show him the evidence max!
- TheMussel

I know you're not the brightest guy.
but it is quite obvious that Marner will be able to demand a higher AAV after this season, than before this season.
Marner was willing to make a deal before the season - if Leafs' management would offer a good contract.
Now he's going to wait until after this season.

Marner at 9million AAV might not be possible anymore after this season, while he woudl have likely signed a long term extension at that AAV before start of this season.

For all we know William Nylander is actually planning on quitting hockey and joining a traveling circus as a tiger trainer on a 60k a year contract.

Let us speculate in peace
- TheMussel

Up until reading this post, I franking hated Nylander for his selfishness.

But now that I know for a fact he wants to quit hockey to practice cruelty to animals, I hate him even more.

I FRANKING HATE WILLIAM NYLANDER!!!!

But its unjustifiable.

Every player that signs as a RFA can be traded at anytime. Ive never heard of a player in the NHL as a RFA making millions more because they can possibly be traded. Itd part of the CBA and league rules. Leafs are trying to shaft him out of NTC. His insecurities and concerns are his problem and the Leafs should not have to over pay because of a hypothetical trade.

2nd, the reason why Marner is said to be able to get 8-9 million and make more than Nylander is because its being speculated hes about to have a break out year. Before his contract is up. Nylander should have done the same. He didnt. He put up 60pts instead. So yea of course if Marner racks up the points hes going to get paid more. Nylander should have done that too but he didn't.
- systemtool

It's not that Dubas won't give him a NTC, it's that he can't give him a NTC. It's not allowed for RFA players. I honestly, don't know what Nylander's end game is.. Is it just that he won't budge on the $8M ask?

Shocking pics in from Austria; Willie Ny burning his Leafs jersey



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Shocking pics in from Austria; Willie Ny burning his Leafs jersey



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- 21peter

Probably because a nucks or sens fan touched it.