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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 3:21 PM ET
And we have Laughton playing well this year and Weal who they really want to give a chance.
- dragonoffrost


Rawr rawr Weal sucks rawr rawr
dragonoffrost
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Oct 18 @ 3:21 PM ET
Rawr rawr Weal sucks rawr rawr
- jmatchett383


I know but that's what Hextall and Hakstol are trying. I really think they want to save wear and tear on G.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 3:22 PM ET
I know but that's what Hextall and Hakstol are trying.
- dragonoffrost


RAWR I SAY, RAWR!!!!
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
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Oct 18 @ 3:24 PM ET
RAWR I SAY, RAWR!!!!
- jmatchett383

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 18 @ 3:25 PM ET
I know but that's what Hextall and Hakstol are trying. I really think they want to save wear and tear on G.
- dragonoffrost

could always bring back Boyd Gordon
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 3:27 PM ET
could always bring back Boyd Gordon
- YuenglingJagr


#faceoffs
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 18 @ 3:52 PM ET
And we have Laughton playing well this year and Weal who they really want to give a chance.
- dragonoffrost

The point is more so how little we’re producing at center right now and the fact that we’re much thinner of nhl talent this year, after last year.

No more Filppula. Couturier isn’t having the start to the season he was having last season.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 18 @ 3:58 PM ET
But it's not an overreaction to yet another headscratcher decision by the coach. Add it to the pile, lad!
- Giroux_Is_God


Knight's never leaving the lineup again. #UND
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Oct 18 @ 4:03 PM ET
The point is more so how little we’re producing at center right now and the fact that we’re much thinner of nhl talent this year, after last year.

No more Filppula. Couturier isn’t having the start to the season he was having last season.

- SuperSchennBros


I really don't see how the Flyers are much thinner of NHL this year?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 18 @ 4:05 PM ET
I'm just going to say it, I don't like Dave Hakstol as an NHL coach.

I think he is a good developmental coach, for the most part. When it comes to getting young men to work as part of a system and help them to refine their overall games, I think he does a good, not great, job.

But when it comes to other aspects of his coaching, I am left wanting. Beyond his goaltending choices and timeout usage, I do not think that he is the coach that will take this team to the next level. I feel that he overrelies (even for an NHL coach) on "safe" and "consistent" players in key situations based on how he feels about them as opposed to what players have the best skillsets for those situations. I feel that his lineup decisions also favor players that he is comfortable with as opposed to players who are unknown, which stifles the scratched players from being able to gain his trust. I know some players may be better in practice, but practice and game are two very different situations.

Again, this is how I feel about him. And I realize that the things I don't like about him can be attributed to all coaches, I simply feel that he is more guilty than others. And this doesn't have to do with the Vorobyov scratching, just made me realize that I really don't agree with a lot of his moves (though I understand them). I hope I'm wrong and that he leads this team to 18 consecutive Stanley Cups in the next 20 years. But I don't feel in my heart that he will.

To summarize: tldr

- jmatchett383


Im pretty sure just about every coach in the NHL relies on players they are comfortable with or uses safe and consistent players in specific situations.

I dont think Hak is necessarily the coach that brings a team to a cup final but I dont think that the Flyers are ready for that type of coach yet anyway. Until then I have no problem with Hak as the coach.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Oct 18 @ 4:23 PM ET
The comparison to Chris VandeVelde is based on their careers and playing styles prior to them becoming members of the Philadelphia Flyers. I don't care where he went to school or played hockey as long as the coach does not favor him because of that past relationship at a much lower level of hockey.
- jmatchett383


I don’t believe their playing styles are all that similar. Vandevelde is more physical with little offensive upside. I also don’t remember him being versatile or as fast. If you think all 4th line players are similar based on being slotted on the 4th line, there’s that. Oh...and they are both 6’ 2”! Knight has produced more points at every level so far and less penalty minutes. As far as the development course similarity...college, AHL/NHL...it’s certainly not unique.


SuperSchennBros
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Oct 18 @ 4:25 PM ET
I really don't see how the Flyers are much thinner of NHL this year?
- ajw12

Umm...we went into camp without a third line center. Whether or not Vorobyov is right guy for the job is still up for debate.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Oct 18 @ 4:29 PM ET
Umm...we went into camp without a third line center. Whether or not Vorobyov is right guy for the job is still up for debate.
- SuperSchennBros


Maybe now with injuries I could see being less NHL talent this year but starting the season with this lineup is definitely not much thinner in NHL talent in my eyes.

Giroux-Coots-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-TK
JVR-Voro-Simmonds
Laughton-Lehtera-Raffl


SuperSchennBros
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Oct 18 @ 4:30 PM ET
Maybe now with injuries I could see being less NHL talent this year but starting the season with this lineup is definitely not much thinner in NHL talent in my eyes.

Giroux-Coots-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-TK
JVR-Voro-Simmonds
Laughton-Lehtera-Raffl

- ajw12

Our centers so far.

Sean Couturier
GP6, G2, A0

Nolan Patrick
GP4, G0, A0

Jori Lehtera
GP6, G0, A0

Jordan Weal
GP3, G1, A1

Vorobyov
GP6, G1, A1

This isn’t good guys.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 18 @ 4:35 PM ET
Our centers so far.

Sean Couturier
GP6, G2, A0

Nolan Patrick
GP4, G0, A0

Jori Lehtera
GP6, G0, A0

Jordan Weal
GP3, G1, A1

Vorobyov
GP6, G1, A1

This isn’t good guys.

- SuperSchennBros

I’m going to let the team play at least 10-15 games before I start drawing any conclusions
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Oct 18 @ 4:36 PM ET
Our centers so far.

Sean Couturier
GP6, G2, A0

Nolan Patrick
GP4, G0, A0

Jori Lehtera
GP6, G0, A0

Jordan Weal
GP3, G1, A1

Vorobyov
GP6, G1, A1

This isn’t good guys.

- SuperSchennBros


Look deeper it's not just the centers if all you want to look at is goals and assists numbers.

good day sir.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 18 @ 4:37 PM ET
Our centers so far.

Sean Couturier
GP6, G2, A0

Nolan Patrick
GP4, G0, A0

Jori Lehtera
GP6, G0, A0

Jordan Weal
GP3, G1, A1

Vorobyov
GP6, G1, A1

This isn’t good guys.

- SuperSchennBros

3.5 goals per game is higher than league average and higher than what the Flyers scored last year (just over 3).
SuperSchennBros
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Oct 18 @ 4:39 PM ET
I’m going to let the team play at least 10-15 games before I start drawing any conclusions
- BiggE

No disrespect. I promise. You said the exact same thing when I mention that the second unit power play still looks as bad as it has in part seasons after two games. Tonight is game seven, nothings changed.

Now obviously we can only go up from here as far as our Centerman go but I think we need a big game from our centermen tonight, starting with Coots.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Oct 18 @ 4:39 PM ET
Our centers so far.

Sean Couturier
GP6, G2, A0

Nolan Patrick
GP4, G0, A0

Jori Lehtera
GP6, G0, A0

Jordan Weal
GP3, G1, A1

Vorobyov
GP6, G1, A1

This isn’t good guys.

- SuperSchennBros


What does the teams centers stats through between 3-6 games have anything to do with having much thinner NHL talent?

Edit: Weal only played 2 games btw
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 18 @ 4:40 PM ET
I’m going to let the team play at least 10-15 games before I start drawing any conclusions
- BiggE

Seriously, two of those guys have 4GP and 3 GP. Give it 15 games before we declare the roster AHL caliber.
dragonoffrost
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Oct 18 @ 4:41 PM ET
3.5 goals per game is higher than league average and higher than what the Flyers scored last year (just over 3).
- YuenglingJagr


7 of the guys who have played every game are at better than .3333 ppg. It's not a rosy picture.
SuperSchennBros
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Oct 18 @ 4:41 PM ET
3.5 goals per game is higher than league average and higher than what the Flyers scored last year (just over 3).
- YuenglingJagr


I’m not talking about the team as a whole. If you’re refusing to see the weakness, that’s not my problem. Are we scoring? Sure we are, but everything else isn’t looking too good, especially in the defense of zone.
SuperSchennBros
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Oct 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
What does the teams centers stats through between 3-6 games have anything to do with having much thinner NHL talent?

Edit: Weal only played 2 games btw

- ajw12

CENTER! We are weak a center! Center is a problem at the moment. Can you stop changing the subject to fit your agenda??
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Oct 18 @ 4:45 PM ET
CENTER! We are weak a center! Center is a problem at the moment. Can you stop changing the subject to fit your agenda??
- SuperSchennBros


My bad dude, I thought you were referring to the team as a whole. Holy (frank) relax man.

Lol changing the subject to fit my narrative, that's exactly what you do every argument you get into on here
dragonoffrost
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Oct 18 @ 4:46 PM ET
CENTER! We are weak a center! Center is a problem at the moment. Can you stop changing the subject to fit your agenda??
- SuperSchennBros


They moved Laughton back so you might want to look at adding his stats from last game to your agenda...
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