*plays devils advocate*
Ghost, Gudas and Hagg are picking up the slack for Provy. We aren't weak at D scoring. +/- on the other hand is a disaster which can be attributed to lazy backchecks by the forward core giving away a ton of odd man breaks especially when Provorov is on the ice.
- dragonoffrost

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just trying to follow the logic.

Centers not producing over first 6 games - change the centers.
Provorov not playing well over first 6 games - change/remove his minutes

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just trying to follow the logic.

Centers not producing over first 6 games - change the centers.
Provorov not playing well over first 6 games - change/remove his minutes
- jmatchett383

I'm sure it's been discussed but is there any thought that provy hasn't fully recovered from the shoulder injury? His drop in play has been quite sharp.

I'm sure it's been discussed but is there any thought that provy hasn't fully recovered from the shoulder injury? His drop in play has been quite sharp.
- Hextall271

I think that could be part of the problem but it almost looks mental. His legs don't seem to be there and some of his hiccups are just not like him at all. He needs to simplify his game and get the puck off his stick quicker, once he gets some confidence back do what you got to go but for now keep it simple.

Yes, we don’t have a center with more then two points this season....

I’m sorry I mis typed Weal’s games played by one. News flash, still not great.
- SuperSchennBros

News flash it's six games into season. You really need to take a chill pill man.

Like omg we don't have a center with more than two points after the first six games, damn the flyers are horrible might as well tank for Hughes.

I think that could be part of the problem but it almost looks mental. His legs don't seem to be there and some of his hiccups are just not like him at all. He needs to simplify his game and get the puck off his stick quicker, once he gets some confidence back do what you got to go but for now keep it simple.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah. Maybe he lost confidence from the playoffs although I certainly don't blame him. He prob blamed himself.

News flash it's six games into season. You really need to take a chill pill man.

Like omg we don't have a center with more than two points after the first six games, damn the flyers are horrible might as well tank for Hughes.
- ajw12

Chill Pills and Flyerzbuzz do not compute..

No mention of Vasiliev? Isn't he logging a lot of minutes as a top 4 d-man in the KHL right now? Appleyard had some pretty nice praise for him earlier this year. Has something changed?

GAME TIME BOYS

News flash it's six games into season. You really need to take a chill pill man.

Like omg we don't have a center with more than two points after the first six games, damn the flyers are horrible might as well tank for Hughes.
- ajw12

imagine if we had stamkos on our team with only 1 point

Wow, I wish I was this clueless.

Our goaltending is up and down. The team is playing well defensively. Our centers haven’t been producing in six games. Yet, somehow everything is fine because our wingers are carrying the load...
- SuperSchennBros

our team is NOT playing well defensively

Provy is struggling and Folin single handed lost us a game
Amac has looked his usual self out there
Ghost can't figure out how to be a + player
Haag is one of the only bright spots

It’s Boruk, so let’s get that out of the way but a little funny they would release a story like this.

Basically the headline reads. “Is Knight another VDV?” - goes on to very briefly explain why we shouldn’t believe so.

https://www.nbcsports.com...lde-north-dakota-products

It’s Boruk, so let’s get that out of the way but a little funny they would release a story like this.

Basically the headline reads. “Is Knight another VDV?” - goes on to very briefly explain why we shouldn’t believe so.

https://www.nbcsports.com...lde-north-dakota-products
- flyer_nutter

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying in my posts earlier so I like it.

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying in my posts earlier so I like it.
- NC Flyers Fan

It’s kind of meh. I’m sure Knight will play well, he’s a guy that going to bring energy and probably a good defensive presence.

It’s just the principle of choosing a low talent try hard, instead of a kid who (gasp) might make a mistake or two. If the Flyers were so concerned about winning every possible game - you’d think they would have addressed their goaltending a bit more.

From an entertainment standpoint, I’d rather watch the kids make mistakes and learn. If they want to give Knight a shot that’s fine. Sit Weise.

But it's not an overreaction to yet another headscratcher decision by the coach. Add it to the pile, lad!
- Giroux_Is_God

It's only a head scratcher if you're closed minded.

Yeah, that’s what I was probably thinking of, but that is only 1 game.
- BiggE

Yes, it is only one game. On the season, Provorov has had 5 OZ starts total and Gostisbehere, 6 OZ starts! total!

I'm just going to say it, I don't like Dave Hakstol as an NHL coach.

I think he is a good developmental coach, for the most part. When it comes to getting young men to work as part of a system and help them to refine their overall games, I think he does a good, not great, job.

But when it comes to other aspects of his coaching, I am left wanting. Beyond his goaltending choices and timeout usage, I do not think that he is the coach that will take this team to the next level. I feel that he overrelies (even for an NHL coach) on "safe" and "consistent" players in key situations based on how he feels about them as opposed to what players have the best skillsets for those situations. I feel that his lineup decisions also favor players that he is comfortable with as opposed to players who are unknown, which stifles the scratched players from being able to gain his trust. I know some players may be better in practice, but practice and game are two very different situations.

Again, this is how I feel about him. And I realize that the things I don't like about him can be attributed to all coaches, I simply feel that he is more guilty than others. And this doesn't have to do with the Vorobyov scratching, just made me realize that I really don't agree with a lot of his moves (though I understand them). I hope I'm wrong and that he leads this team to 18 consecutive Stanley Cups in the next 20 years. But I don't feel in my heart that he will.

To summarize: tldr
- jmatchett383

No offense is meant with this but I feel that a lot of the criticisms come from simply not understanding the game. What does having the best skill set for a situation even mean? That really doesn't make sense. A players skill set has to translate to the NHL and be effective in the NHL. If what you said is actually true, which it isn't. the coach would obviously use that player in that situation.
Hakstol doesn't go with players he is most comfortable with, he goes with the players that he feels he can win with. Fan all too often ignore aspects of the game and how what's most important is to try and put the best team on the ice, not put the team on the ice that the fans want. The cliche of a "safe" player is not only inaccurate, it's frankly stupid. All this time and some fans still can't understand why a player like Vandevelde played, or why a player like Lehtera is in the lineup.

The evidence is clear and undeniable, give this coach a young talented player who can handle the role and the ice time, and he will play the crap out of that young player. Other young players need to be developed and used properly. So much nonsense is posted about Hakstol.

No mention of Vasiliev? Isn't he logging a lot of minutes as a top 4 d-man in the KHL right now? Appleyard had some pretty nice praise for him earlier this year. Has something changed?
- Flyr4life

He’s unlikely to ever come over

How awful is everything today?

How awful is everything today?
- bulet13

Moderately putrid

How awful is everything today?
- bulet13

6/10.

Boys are spanking another young buck not named Prov or Patrick. Cutting the ice time or sitting/demoting a young kid when they hit difficulty is lazy player development to me. Tells me they overvalue a tough love approach. Lazy and archaic.

6/10.

Boys are spanking another young buck not named Prov or Patrick. Cutting the ice time or sitting/demoting a young kid when they hit difficulty is lazy player development to me. Tells me they overvalue a tough love approach. Lazy and archaic.
- flyer_nutter

So lazy and archaic that all 30 coaches in the league use ice time as a tool for player development. The only thing lazy here is your analysis of the situation.

So lazy and archaic that all 30 coaches in the league use ice time as a tool for player development. The only thing lazy here is your analysis of the situation.
- MJL

This is the content I want

How awful is everything today?
- bulet13

Depends how the Flyers play...do they forget and play like crap then wake up in the 2nd only to forget again in the 3rd. They do that in back to back games and I will be driving the Hak must go train.

So lazy and archaic that all 30 coaches in the league use ice time as a tool for player development. The only thing lazy here is your analysis of the situation.
- MJL

Imo aside from Prov and Patrick, guys who are freaks when it comes to defensive awareness - Flyers punish their kids when they struggle too much imo.

I’d like to overall, see them give the kids a chance to work through it more before cutting ice time and sitting them/demoting.

Depends how the Flyers play...do they forget and play like crap then wake up in the 2nd only to forget again in the 3rd. They do that in back to back games and I will be driving the Hak must go train.
- Glak18

I want Knight to come in there and blow our asses off. Nothing wrong with a player bringing energy to the team and helping them win.

This isn’t, and shouldn’t be a Knight vs Voro thing. Its Weise, Lehtera and Knights vs the kid. Sitting him at first sign of struggle.

We already have Konecny depressed I was told hah.