I think its more than just one game. They have been pretty bad all year and have been lucky to come away with 2 wins that they should have lost. I know the team is different but its amazing how nothing seems to have been learned from last year with regards to how games need to be played to win. Hate to be this pessimistic this early in the season but the Jets will not be a playoff team.
- Dcdaddy

Good lord.

I have not seen the Corsi numbers although they never mean much anyways but Tyler Myers once again had a pretty flawless game and was the Jets best defender. Like to have Buff back because Kulikov is much better than Morrow.

Morrissey made some good defensive plays but the tandem was not good overall again tonight. Morrissey has definitely passed Trouba in value...at least to date. If Trouba thought he was worth $7MM plus before this season then he better start rethinking that demand. His value has fallen almost every game this year. He now ranks third on my Dman depth chart this year.

There were three or four shifts where it was definitely noticeable that keeping Lemieux over Dano was 100% the correct choice. So much stronger on the boards and with the puck. More speed as well. Gets to the puck so much quicker than Dano did.

Jets just stop skating for all but about two shifts in the third. A game they should have won and yet lost. They will learn from this.

Time to shake up the top line. Put Ehlers on there and move Connor with Roslovic and Laine.

Finally, Arizona and Buffalo will once again be the bottom dwellers of the NHL. Hard to believe otherwise.
- jetsnation

This

Put Scheifele with Ehlers and Laine.
Little with Wheeler and Connor.
TLC line stays intact.
Petan when ready, at centre with Roslovic and Perreault

Agreed......

The Jets PP has looked a little more dynamic with Morrissey on the point when comparing to Buff. Buff's shot is better but Morrissey moves the puck a little quicker and sees the ice equally well. They also transitioned more efficiently with Morrissey. Either are good options, JoMo has become my 1a.

The Jets PP has looked a little more dynamic with Morrissey on the point when comparing to Buff. Buff's shot is better but Morrissey moves the puck a little quicker and sees the ice equally well. They also transitioned more efficiently with Morrissey. Either are good options, JoMo has become my 1a.
- 2.0

Nice to have both options

The Jets PP has looked a little more dynamic with Morrissey on the point when comparing to Buff. Buff's shot is better but Morrissey moves the puck a little quicker and sees the ice equally well. They also transitioned more efficiently with Morrissey. Either are good options, JoMo has become my 1a.
- 2.0

Defensive Depth

Buff 1a
Morr 1b
Trouba 2a
Myers 2b
Chariot 3a
Kulikov 3b
Poolman 4a
Niku 4b ( for now)
Morrow - please trade

Trouba's stock is dropping fast. I'd love to see them trade him to a team with lots of defensive depth like Carolina. Trouba and Poolman for Slavin and Jake Bean might make sense. The second D could be Chariot or Kulikov...really dont care.

Btw....the Cory Crawford now confirmed to start in net tonight for the Hawks it means Anton Forsberg will have to clear waivers at some point in the near future. A wasted asset now that they have Cam Ward. Probably not an option for the Jets but I'm sure some team out there will pick him up.

Defensive Depth

Buff 1a
Morr 1b
Trouba 2a
Myers 2b
Chariot 3a
Kulikov 3b
Poolman 4a
Niku 4b ( for now)
Morrow - please trade

Trouba's stock is dropping fast. I'd love to see them trade him to a team with lots of defensive depth like Carolina. Trouba and Poolman for Slavin and Jake Bean might make sense. The second D could be Chariot or Kulikov...really dont care.
- jetsnation

Yeah I find it amazing that no one on this board mentioned that Trouba was on the ice for all of the Oilers regular time goals on Tuesday. Now if that was Myers, I am sure there would have been at least a dozen comments.

Defensive Depth

Buff 1a
Morr 1b
Trouba 2a
Myers 2b
Chariot 3a
Kulikov 3b
Poolman 4a
Niku 4b ( for now)
Morrow - please trade

Trouba's stock is dropping fast. I'd love to see them trade him to a team with lots of defensive depth like Carolina. Trouba and Poolman for Slavin and Jake Bean might make sense. The second D could be Chariot or Kulikov...really dont care.
- jetsnation

Jetsnation I agree with you on some even most things but couldn’t disagree with you more about Myers. Your love of Myers is as strong as Rexy’s for Dano and Enstrom.
I honestly see a player in Myers who turns the puck over every time he has it.
In my opinion resigning him will be a grave mistake. He is not remotely close to Trouba to me, if Trouba is a 2A, Myers is then a 6

Yeah I find it amazing that no one on this board mentioned that Trouba was on the ice for all of the Oilers regular time goals on Tuesday. Now if that was Myers, I am sure there would have been at least a dozen comments.
- TheUltimateJet

For the record I’m in meetings in Montreal and could not watch oilers game. I’ll be pvr’ing tonight’s game when I get back to Winnipeg after midnight

Yeah I find it amazing that no one on this board mentioned that Trouba was on the ice for all of the Oilers regular time goals on Tuesday. Now if that was Myers, I am sure there would have been at least a dozen comments.
- TheUltimateJet

That is basically the essence of my points on Myers. Remember I have always ranked him 4th. He has actually made virtually no mistakes in the last four games and has been a decent offensive force. His passes this year and zone exits have been on the tape almost everytime. Meanwhile his partner Morrow is a gong show back there .....but god help Myers if he ever makes a mistake because you'll hear about it non-stop on this board and from Tessier.

Trouba makes at least a few gaffes per game but often its Morrissey who saves him. Yes, Trouba and Morrissey looked pretty bad in the third period and in overtime. While Ehlers and Laine let Nurse in at the blueline instead of squeezing him out, Morrissey was just standing around watching until it was too late. A very preventable goal.

That is basically the essence of my points on Myers. Remember I have always ranked him 4th. He has actually made virtually no mistakes in the last four games and has been a decent offensive force. His passes this year and zone exits have been on the tape almost everytime. Meanwhile his partner Morrow is a gong show back there .....but god help Myers if he ever makes a mistake because you'll hear about it non-stop on this board and from Tessier.

Trouba makes at least a few gaffes per game but often its Morrissey who saves him. Yes, Trouba and Morrissey looked pretty bad in the third period and in overtime. While Ehlers and Laine let Nurse in at the blueline instead of squeezing him out, Morrissey was just standing around watching until it was too late. A very preventable goal.
- jetsnation

What I have learned over time is that Jets fans have lots of sacred cows on the team that never receive criticism. The ones that come quickly to my head are: Bryan Little, Dustin Byfuglien, and Jacob Trouba. Those three can make 20 gaffs a night, whereas Myers makes one. the one that Myers makes will be talked about in great detail, while the 20 or so gaffs made by the three players mentioned never get talked about.

What I have learned over time is that Jets fans have lots of scared cows on the team that never receive criticism. The ones that come quickly to my head are: Bryan Little, Dustin Byfuglien, and Jacob Trouba. Those three can make 20 gaffs a night, whereas Myers makes one. the one that Myers makes will be talked about in great detail, while the 20 or so gaffs made by the three players mentioned never get talked about.
- TheUltimateJet

A: while I know what you meant to say, the idea that Little and Byfuglien are scared cows is hilarious.
B: The reason these players are as protected as they are is because they all play, or have historically played, at a higher level than one Tyler Myers.
Byfuglien does more for the Jets offence than Myers by a mile, while also being better defensively.
Trouba is consistently excellent, weird start aside. He’s now our top defensive player, although Morrissey has improved to the point he might be passing Trouba.
Little is falling hard, but it’s not his fault. If he signs a 2-3 year extension, nobody says a word about him. He’s aging, but doesn’t USUALLY get the same flak because his usage and cap hit aren’t really his fault. He doesn’t make boneheaded decisions in all 3 zones like Myers, so he doesn’t get the hate.

Good lord.
- stormey

He’s honestly not far off

A: while I know what you meant to say, the idea that Little and Byfuglien are scared cows is hilarious.
B: The reason these players are as protected as they are is because they all play, or have historically played, at a higher level than one Tyler Myers.
Byfuglien does more for the Jets offence than Myers by a mile, while also being better defensively.
Trouba is consistently excellent, weird start aside. He’s now our top defensive player, although Morrissey has improved to the point he might be passing Trouba.
Little is falling hard, but it’s not his fault. If he signs a 2-3 year extension, nobody says a word about him. He’s aging, but doesn’t USUALLY get the same flak because his usage and cap hit aren’t really his fault. He doesn’t make boneheaded decisions in all 3 zones like Myers, so he doesn’t get the hate.
- Rexypoo

Byfuglien is the other teams best penalty killer. He misses the net consistently on the power play. If you take notice, Myers always gets his shot through. Byfuglien for the majority of his career has not been better defensively than Myers, he's been the same.

Lots of early season angst out there, peeps ... I didn't like the Oiler game one bit - but I'm holding out on - further - conclusions until after the remaining 4 games of this stand - and I'll be at all of them

Tonight - Petterson out, Byf in, and apparently Lemieux still in

Lots of early season angst out there, peeps ... I didn't like the Oiler game one bit - but I'm holding out on - further - conclusions until after the remaining 4 games of this stand - and I'll be at all of them

Tonight - Petterson out, Byf in, and apparently Lemieux still in
- CorydonKeith

As a hockey fan, I'm bummed not being able to watch Pettersson out there tonight but at the same time I'm liking the fact that be wont be able to make a few of the Jets look quite foolish as he dekes and dances around them with his insane stickhandling skills . I bet Colorado feels pretty foolish drafting Cale Makar ahead of him.

Byfuglien is the other teams best penalty killer. He misses the net consistently on the power play. If you take notice, Myers always gets his shot through. Byfuglien for the majority of his career has not been better defensively than Myers, he's been the same.
- TheUltimateJet

Correct.

Incidentally, since Niku is on my depth chart list , while he obviously shows huge promise, especially offensively, there are still some serious flaws in his defensive game. I can just highlight his start on the Moose this year. He has been terrible defensively. It's not going to help his chances of making the Jets this year if he keeps this up with Poolman also waiting in the wings. I was really hoping to see Niku in the second half of the season on the Jets. Hope he pulls it together.

Jetsnation I agree with you on some even most things but couldn’t disagree with you more about Myers. Your love of Myers is as strong as Rexy’s for Dano and Enstrom.
I honestly see a player in Myers who turns the puck over every time he has it.
In my opinion resigning him will be a grave mistake. He is not remotely close to Trouba to me, if Trouba is a 2A, Myers is then a 6
- Ross77

Your rankings obviously differ from mine Ross. The proof is in the pudding though on who has been correct on the matter. Enstrom and Dano were both dumped by the Jets and Myers is still here and playing 20 plus minutes per night. You are ignoring that Myers was fantastic in last years playoffs and been very strong the last four games. So your basically pinning the one game in Dallas and a mediocre game in St. Louis on him when in actuality he's been very strong in the last 18/20 games. Much stronger actually than Trouba in that time frame.

#Unfair.

Good lord.
- stormey

...really eh..it's just a couple of games ..jets won't make the playoffs ..Jesus they'll Finnish top 5! ..and is Winnipeg still looking for a LH dman? ..and if so.. does Gardiner for myers make sense for the Jets?

Jetsnation I agree with you on some even most things but couldn’t disagree with you more about Myers. Your love of Myers is as strong as Rexy’s for Dano and Enstrom.
I honestly see a player in Myers who turns the puck over every time he has it.
In my opinion resigning him will be a grave mistake. He is not remotely close to Trouba to me, if Trouba is a 2A, Myers is then a 6
- Ross77

Sounds familiar to leaf fans..with regards to Jake. .burns giveaways last year 153 Karlsson 106..Gardner 82..just saying PK..doughty with 86 ..high risk. .high reward? ..if Gardiner had a RH stay and home if you will ..partner he'd be so much better. .IMHO

A: while I know what you meant to say, the idea that Little and Byfuglien are scared cows is hilarious.
B: The reason these players are as protected as they are is because they all play, or have historically played, at a higher level than one Tyler Myers.
Byfuglien does more for the Jets offence than Myers by a mile, while also being better defensively.
Trouba is consistently excellent, weird start aside. He’s now our top defensive player, although Morrissey has improved to the point he might be passing Trouba.
Little is falling hard, but it’s not his fault. If he signs a 2-3 year extension, nobody says a word about him. He’s aging, but doesn’t USUALLY get the same flak because his usage and cap hit aren’t really his fault. He doesn’t make boneheaded decisions in all 3 zones like Myers, so he doesn’t get the hate.
- Rexypoo

Buff is extremely questionable defensively.
Trouba has not been excellent at all so far, this season.
Morrissey has passed him already.
Jets would miss Little-big time, if he was gone.

That is basically the essence of my points on Myers. Remember I have always ranked him 4th. He has actually made virtually no mistakes in the last four games and has been a decent offensive force. His passes this year and zone exits have been on the tape almost everytime. Meanwhile his partner Morrow is a gong show back there .....but god help Myers if he ever makes a mistake because you'll hear about it non-stop on this board and from Tessier.

Trouba makes at least a few gaffes per game but often its Morrissey who saves him. Yes, Trouba and Morrissey looked pretty bad in the third period and in overtime. While Ehlers and Laine let Nurse in at the blueline instead of squeezing him out, Morrissey was just standing around watching until it was too late. A very preventable goal.
- jetsnation

I don't think it happened that way. Morrissey is seen distinctly motioning to Ehlers to hold the puck so the line change could happen. Instead, ehlers tries a hope pass to Laine into the crowded center ice creating a turnover. He then does an ole' on Nurse hoping, I guess, to pop the puck forward and move in on Talbot all alone. Two major brain farts for 3 on 3 hockey.....

I don't think it happened that way. Morrissey is seen distinctly motioning to Ehlers to hold the puck so the line change could happen. Instead, ehlers tries a hope pass to Laine into the crowded center ice creating a turnover. He then does an ole' on Nurse hoping, I guess, to pop the puck forward and move in on Talbot all alone. Two major brain farts for 3 on 3 hockey.....
- liverpoolnhl

Watched it again....not for fun though....groan. Laine has Nurse side by side as the cross blue line. Elhers takes a swipe at it as he heads over to cover RNH in case Nugent does the drop pass. Laine doesn't stay on his man and ride him to the outside. Morrissey watches and then reacts late instead of positioning himself better. All three of them made mistakes.

Byfuglien is the other teams best penalty killer. He misses the net consistently on the power play. If you take notice, Myers always gets his shot through. Byfuglien for the majority of his career has not been better defensively than Myers, he's been the same.
- TheUltimateJet

I’ve always praised Myers shooting ability. It’s the one thing he can hold over the heads of most NHL defencemen.
That said, Myers has been slightly worse every single year on the defensive side of things. Nobody is trying to say Byfuglien is anything but passable defensively, but Myers lacks the same overwhelming offensive impact Buff has always had to completely erase his defensive weaknesses from the memory.

If we’re being honest, our power play units should be run by Morrissey and Niku at this point.